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WaveofShadow
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On September 22 2013 07:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I can get behind a Vayne lynch for the sake of removing one useless person in this game. We have vigs. Ill explain my stance on lurkers and vigs later, I want to make it very clear. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to parrot rayn here though and say that the longer it goes between his "I'm catching up" post and something with some substance, the worse he looks though. Not what I was getting at but I'm fine with the suspicion. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote: On phone atm but I want to know if anyone else found something odd/disturbing about this post. Ok I'm going out but just so i can do this in case anyone wants to talk about it while I'm gone. Not sure what this means alignment-wise but I found it extremely curious that somehow Rayn is the one that comes out of the 'shitfest' looking the best and that DP looks the worst. Like...I can maybe see DP's 'deliberate and claculating' style (I certainly wouldn't call DP calculating but whatever) but how does he follow accusing DP of spamming the thread into uselessness? Not only does he attempt to retire from arguing multiple times, he also engages multiple people in conversation and pushes multiple avenues of thought, all pro-town avenues. Then "I'm not calling him scum, but"---real commitment right thurr. AND THEN he calls Geript's responses favourable. I enjoy defending Geript now and then and I certainly have a townread on him this game (and have explained why) but how in anyway does he find the trolly arguing and accusing of DP favourable? Not to mention he has Geript's meta completely wrong, calling him spammy and meaningless D1 in Bluelightz and NWM, both games in which Geript played very pro-town and very well imo. This whole post of FT's rubs me the wrong way because it's all wrong, and all backwards, both in terms of going against seeming thread sentiment but also against what seems to be correct. Mafia-aligned? Not sure. I can't tell what kind of mindset it takes to be so blatantly wrong in my opinion---like I can't see mafia agenda in this post necessarily due to the content, though as others have mentioned it may have just been an attempt to try and be useful without actually being so, so he could fuck off, which IS mafia-aligned....but then again wouldn't you want to be RIGHT about this stuff if you were mafia? Someone said it earlier but however FT responds to the attention he has wrought upon himself will be very alignment indicative imo. He's going to have to be very careful which is going to make it tough on us. Be back in a couple hours. | ||
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On September 22 2013 11:06 kushm4sta wrote: Problem, kush? | ||
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Are you angry about voice mafia for some reason? + Show Spoiler + (Hint, that's 5 times now) | ||
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Since there is no other discussion taking place right now and I won't be derailing any conversation: Vigs by the end of the day I feel like we need to create a list of 'viggable' targets for N1. If anyone outside of those targets died we know they were killed by scum. I don't believe anyone who has actually shown even the slightest amount of effort today should be vigged (ie kush) but people who have like <5 posts (ie Vayne) could be. We have absolutely no chance of winning this game (not that I have much faith in TL towns lately anyway, but still) if we allow lurkers and low posters to run rampant. The anti-town posters will have to come next unfortunately. As for lynches we have to lynch scum. | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote: Wave ##Vote: Sentinel Oh rearry Mocsta? I'm not your strongest scumread anymore huh? | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote: Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot. At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now. Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3 Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions. | ||
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On September 22 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote: Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me. As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie". Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned. It's an issue to people like you who try to lynch/suspect people over semantics, because then if I don't use those specific words you say something like: "Of course you want a town DP to be on your side as scum!" It's horseshit, Mocsta. I accept the fact that you've backed down from me because you realized your suspicion was dumb as balls. So you're voting Sentinel because he's policy voting Coag for being useless huh? What is the difference between this and your vote on Sentinel himself? I don't see it if there is one. | ||
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K. Thx thread. | ||
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I've seen you get like this at various points of a game but never so consistently throughout and obviously so. This is what made me talk early on about you 'overdoing it.' | ||
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People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote: I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so. See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.' | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote: I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it. If that's an invitation I can't play atm.  About you not being meta-able----horseshit imo. I'm prooty bad at using meta so I'm sure I wouldn't be able to, but I have no doubts in my mind that everyone is meta-able to some degree, and everyone has tells when they play for a certain team, some simply happen to be way more subtle than others. If I weren't so awful at it (and I figured it would actually help solve the game in some way) I would take that as a challenge. | ||
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Things that made me laugh: VA's second 'blogpost.' I'm not going to lynch him purely from an entertainment standpoint. Things that have bothered me: Yamato. Some people analyzed his return to the thread already in which he names a bunch of people, gave scumreads and rescinded others....and then copped out on Ray. Shit doesn't make sense, and I really don't like people dropping shit on 'easy' targets. I haven't fully caught up yet but I'm posting this here because skimming through yamato's filter I see he's posted since so I'm interested to see how he deals with the pressure. This shit with DP v FirmTofu. On September 23 2013 01:45 DarthPunk wrote: Before I go to bed I wanted to discuss this post from Firm Tofu in light of him being quite scummy. Now this is clearly a piece of blue hunting, but notice how he tries to downplay his question? Like he doesn't want to be taken serious in his blue hunting because he has inherent guilt and knows it is suspicious. Thoughts? It's great and all that DP thinks FT is scum but why the fuck is he absolutely avoiding the analysis I did on FT's entry post? I would think that if a townie has a scumread then he would want to discuss and analyze all points to make sure he is spot on. I'm really not enjoying DP's attitude this game (although maybe I'm biased because I hate being ignored and it looks as though DP is trying to counter-piss me off). Observations: Lonemeow is a newbie. Martyring is bad but scum tends not to do it---frustrated newbies do (think Geript in LX). I was honestly thinking of voting him up until I read the recent exchanges with him but yeah that kind of martyring is a huge towntell for me. Lonemeow pick up the fucking slack if you don't want to die. This interests me. On September 23 2013 04:51 Chairman Ray wrote: LoneMeow, on D1, nobody knows who is town and who is mafia. If you are town, you know who you are and that's it. The biggest victory you can achieve for town is for you to not get lynched. Voting for yourself spells a huge lack of confidence, and how do you expect us to believe in you, if you don't even believe in yourself? When you vote someone on D1, you don't know what they will flip, but you can be confident in that vote knowing that it is the one you will regret the least. So you can keep your vote on yourself, put it back on Umasi, or whatever you want. Either way, I am confident in my vote on you because I know you play a lot better, and I think this is just a ploy to get everyone to think you are just a bad town. If Lonemeow truly is town then I think Chairman might actually be scum. This doesn't exclude yamato from being scummy in my books though as people bus weaker scum members (or all of them in CC's case) all the time. Oh here we go, yamato's new post. Shits, that's a strong defense imo. yamato please try to stay in the thread---I find I'm becoming easily swayed by others' opinions of you when you bigpost then disappear for a while. I'd like to talk to you myself. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:42 yamato77 wrote: @Wave I'm here if there's anything you want to talk about. Ohai. Trying to get back in here in terms of town sentiment since I haven't been able to post in a lot of hours, but I will be around until deadline. Just to start off a conversation, top two to lynch from you, and why? (short form, I am aware of your recent large posts) I have some stuff I want to ask you but I am attempting to not derail current topics because it seems people are not always interested in the things I want to talk about. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:56 ObviousOne wrote: WoS who you want to talk about? Town sentiment is irrelevant if you're town. I'm glad you think so but I've posted 4-5 things in this game that have gone completely ignored because they weren't 'current topics.' yamato I'm kind of surprised at Rayn/Mocsta being your top two. Do you think you can get either of them lynched today? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote: Chairman Ray, not Rayn. Yes, I think I can get him lynched. Oh, flerp. That makes a lot more sense. Yeah, you probably can get him lynched. I'm not sold on him being scum>bad town though. I'd probably lean towards him being bad town but I also have a bad track record of giving people the 'bad town' benefit of the doubt when they may not deserve it. I feel more strongly about Lonemeow being 'bad town' than Ray and Ray himself seems to be comfortable with his LM vote.... On September 23 2013 05:47 yamato77 wrote: I'm intentionally not tilting this game. It's easier to do in forum mafia than in Voice. If you OMGUS and yell at your accusers, you become DP. What I really want to talk about is DP v FT because I'm still pretty bothered by many of DP's reactions this game. I am aware you're currently still leaning town on him but I wonder if you know what a mafia DP is capable of? I have never played in a game where DP was mafia. | ||
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