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kitaman27
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My biggest issue with iamp is his actions during day two and I definitely think he is mafia.
On September 26 2013 10:36 iamperfection wrote:
ceph bothered to show up lone didn't even bother to look up the deadline.
On September 26 2013 09:25 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Also voting for LoneMeow now, as it doesn't seem any other lynch is going to happen.
##vote LoneMeow
iamp clearly has a double-standard at the end of the day two lynch. Earlier in the cycle, he mentioned that he doesn't have a preference between the two and that he has decided to sheep marv because he trusts his judgement.
While ceph does return before the deadline, he doesn't post anything of value, stating that he would be open to a deconduo switch, which wasn't happening. He votes LoneMeow because he is really the only choice to save himself.
On September 26 2013 10:47 iamperfection wrote:
lone your obviously here if all your going to do is vote and afk i will kill you.
However, when Lone actually does show up, he attacks him for the Cephiro vote.
When LoneMeow comes up with the Doctor claim, iamp immediately distrusts his claim.
LoneMeow is claiming Doctor when he is not even leading the lynch and a multi-vote swap would be necessary, like I pointed out earlier.
Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly.
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kitaman27
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The thing about Mocsta that worries me is that he is so open to any of the other lynch candidates. Anything that will save him from biting the bullet seems to be fine with him.
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kitaman27
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FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five.
I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though.
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote:
And why would town want to be mislynched? Either alignment wants to be saved from the noose.
Frankly, kitamin/oberyn, i expected a bit more common sense coming from you.
It's not that my problem is that you would support another lynch candidate, it's that you would support every other lynch candidate. I'm still not sure enough on you that I'd want to lynch you over FT though.
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 00:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Is iamp a good townie generally? If yes I think I prefer to lynch him over FT. FT is a horrible townie and I am still not entirely sure if this or scum FT is the case.
iamp is an excellent townie from my experience. He is a common n1 or n2 mafia hit.
What makes you prefer iamp over FT?
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kitaman27
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I'm not following you Mocsta, are you saying iamp is a good lynch or bad one?
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 00:00 Risen wrote:
JAT blank the thread and just read those four's filters. This isn't a lurker lynch on Stutters, this is a liar lynch. His being a lurker just makes it seem like a lurker lynch.
Stutters seems like the most likely mislynch bait in my opinion.
I don't think a "liar lynch" really makes sense, since a town or a mafia player really wouldn't want say they are working on a post, then never deliver. There is no scum benefit for saying something like that and then going away. He has been pretty much absent the last few days. I can see him being town, I can see him being mafia. I would much rather go after a player with a filter that you can actually analyze when a kp is one the line.
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 00:49 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:
FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five.
I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though. Are you scum?
No, do you think I am?
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 00:51 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:43 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 00:00 Risen wrote:
JAT blank the thread and just read those four's filters. This isn't a lurker lynch on Stutters, this is a liar lynch. His being a lurker just makes it seem like a lurker lynch. Stutters seems like the most likely mislynch bait in my opinion. I don't think a "liar lynch" really makes sense, since a town or a mafia player really wouldn't want say they are working on a post, then never deliver. There is no scum benefit for saying something like that and then going away. He has been pretty much absent the last few days. I can see him being town, I can see him being mafia. I would much rather go after a player with a filter that you can actually analyze when a kp is one the line. How can you say this and have FT at the top of people you want lynched?
Both players are not contributing.
However, FT is attempting to appear as if he is contributing, while stutters is simply gone.
Look at these phrases. They are far too self-aware to be town.
FirmTofu
"As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment."
"I can and will redeem myself for whatever you may think makes me scum."
""Finally got some decent reads."
"Now for a solid scum read!"
"Now I have to sift through this nonsense to find something of value..."
"This isn't spamming. I'm trying to solve this game"
Also, look how concerned he is about other's opinions of his. He spends more time looking for others to question him, than he does questioning people he actually thinks are scummy.
FirmTofu
"Any questions for me?"
"If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it."
"If you have any questions for me, I will answer them."
"Marv, you need anything from me?"
"You've said numerous times that it would be really useful to know my alignment because it would help decipher the votecount for Day 1. How exactly would this help you? "
"VE, you seem convinced I am scum. Would you like to ask me any questions that could help you read me? I will answer them to the best of my ability."
"Just ask me whatever and I'll respond as best I can."
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kitaman27
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On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers
cephiro- i sheep marv
On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order
1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu
And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. Read this again folks. Risen is scum. fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it
iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision?
Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato?
Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing.
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers
cephiro- i sheep marv On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order
1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu
And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. Read this again folks. Risen is scum. fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision? Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato? Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing. because it was sudden and last minute i had to think quickly and my gut said fake claim when i first saw it. I thought he was the leading vote getter at the time i dont know if he actually wa but at the time i thought it. So then i open his filter see no yam anywhere and i determined fake claim. The rest is history
But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia.
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 02:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:28 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers
cephiro- i sheep marv On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order
1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu
And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. Read this again folks. Risen is scum. fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision? Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato? Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing. because it was sudden and last minute i had to think quickly and my gut said fake claim when i first saw it. I thought he was the leading vote getter at the time i dont know if he actually wa but at the time i thought it. So then i open his filter see no yam anywhere and i determined fake claim. The rest is history But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia. because caring about the lynch is one of the ways i find scum. I have found in the past scum show less intrest and are more apathetic to the lynch cephiro showed up lone hadn't to the last second
You came to the conclusion that cephiro cared about the lynch? He essentially placed a default vote on LoneMeow and mentioned that he could get behind a deconduo lynch in passing that would require like a 12 vote swing in the last hour.
On September 26 2013 09:25 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Also voting for LoneMeow now, as it doesn't seem any other lynch is going to happen.
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 02:35 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:32 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 02:28 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers
cephiro- i sheep marv On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order
1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu
And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. Read this again folks. Risen is scum. fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision? Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato? Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing. because it was sudden and last minute i had to think quickly and my gut said fake claim when i first saw it. I thought he was the leading vote getter at the time i dont know if he actually wa but at the time i thought it. So then i open his filter see no yam anywhere and i determined fake claim. The rest is history But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia. because caring about the lynch is one of the ways i find scum. I have found in the past scum show less intrest and are more apathetic to the lynch cephiro showed up lone hadn't to the last second You came to the conclusion that cephiro cared about the lynch? He essentially placed a default vote on LoneMeow and mentioned that he could get behind a deconduo lynch in passing that would require like a 12 vote swing in the last hour. Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 09:25 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Also voting for LoneMeow now, as it doesn't seem any other lynch is going to happen.
What about cephiro that he posted makes you think he cared about the lynch, rather than about himself.
Please point to specifics.
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 02:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I am a little hesitant to lynch FT to be honest. If he was scum there should be scum on the other wagon Day1, no? Well, I don't see scum there. There are confirmed townies + rayn, sentinel (who both voted cephiro Day2) and Kush/Kitaman. Also, Kita: Mocsta is on the FT wagon. If you think he is scum then FT probably is not. Of course this is not perfect because the lynch was chaotic due to the host mistakes.
Apart from that I understand the urge to vote FT because he wastes his vote everyday and doesn't contribute shit.
Opinions?
I can see what you're saying about day one, but I don't necessarily think it means he isn't mafia. Mafia are generally unlikely to go out on a limb for a player that is afk, which FT was during the second half of day one. There is also the possiblity that the mafia likely decided to swing things towards LoneMeow, instead of FT, on day two even though FT could have been an easier lynch from the number of votes on him the previous day.
I'm actually pretty unconvinced with iamp's response. The fact that cephiro showed up to make an obvious vote on LoneMeow doesn't explain why iamp would be so convinced the doctor claim was fake, even though he had a bad town read on him prior. The one main reason to vote iamp over FT is that iamp played a role in the vote swing to save cephiro, while FT avoided it completely.
I'm still willing to consider both. Let me take one last look through iamp's filter.
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kitaman27
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I'm actually pretty happy with lynching iamp first.
He acknowledges the importance of caring about the lynch, yet the only time he has really shown he cares is a five minute period where he is pushing the doctor claim over our only mafia lynch. He came to a conclusion before considering the evidence on that day. Day three he was pretty lazy and showed no interest in pushing things beyond cephiro. He uses the excuse that he is having a difficult time subbing in, but I managed to day the same an entire cycle later. He is clearly caught up based on the list post he made, that looks incredibly wrong, so it's not like that's a valid excuse. Even today he has only defended himself and posted a one-liner on someone he would be open to. For a town player that is as good as iamp, I think this has to be his mafia play.
##Unvote
##Vote iamperfection
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kitaman27
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FT, do you still think iamp "must be scum"?
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On October 02 2013 03:17 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:16 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2013 03:14 FirmTofu wrote:On October 01 2013 17:47 Koshi wrote:
Scum mocsta so tryhard.
##unvote
##vote FirmTofu Why are you voting me? Most of your posts indicate that Mocsta is a stronger scumread of yours than I am. You've talked more about Mocsta and you've expressed fear that I may flip town. If you were town, I'd expect you to be voting for Mocsta right now. Good point. Who do you want to lynch or are you gonna waste your vote again? Thankfully, I can actually be around during lynch today. I will probably use my vote on Deconduo/Mocsta, depending on which one has more votes.
Do you actually plan on convincing others or will you vote on your own island again? I'm kinda tempted to move back now if we have to go through this again -_-
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 03:17 iamperfection wrote:
and i actually think rayn is most likely to be mafia i think i caught him with his hand in the cookie jar.
Kita stop being silly and read what i have said about rayn ill be back in a few hours.
rayn actually looks decent from the events of day two. Is this something you'd refuse to consider?
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
Drop Mocsta from that, it appears people have left him. Good.
So Iamp, Stutters, FT
Focus discussion on these three alone
Are you satisfied with iamp's explanation about ceph caring about the lynch?
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kitaman27
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On October 02 2013 03:35 Risen wrote:
My thoughts on the subject
Iamp looks scummy, but has had some good reads. Does he know too much? I don't know. It's something to look into later for me, but as long as his reads and actions line up with mine I don't care.
How can you say he has some good reads? Have you looked at his list post? He was like 0/5, with a scum read on Sent, who I also think is town. He was wrong about ceph and LoneMeow. He has a mafia read on rayn, who I think is town. He has a town read on stutters, which seems to conflict with what you think. He had a scum read on you, which would obviously conflict with what you think. deconduo might be scum, but I don't think he is one of the strongest candidates. Where exactly are all these great reads that you're seeing? If anything, he has had the worst reads this game.
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