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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 21 2013 22:18 GMT
#917
There was another Newbie where he was scum and one where he was town (I played in this too) that I know of.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:02 GMT
#989
On September 22 2013 08:57 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 08:54 Zaragon wrote:
Done reading filters for the night. Marvellosity feels town. yamato77 felt very town, but one long first post relatively late in the day can easily be very pro-town scum so I'll put him as neutral until I have a pattern to go on. Pandain same deal, except with less initial town feeling and thus more leaning towards scum.

I'm thinking I'd prefer a lynch to generate information day 2, as much as it pains me to skip non-contributors.

I'll elaborate and look at links if it's still relevant by tomorrow, now I need sleep. Have fun guys

First post game (a la the thread!). Let's crack this!

I'll go first.

More likely to come from scum.

It's not his first post...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:04 GMT
#991
?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:17 GMT
#994
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:23 GMT
#996
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:28 GMT
#1000
No, I don't. But if you don't think it eliminates him as town you shouldn't expect me to think so.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:32 GMT
#1004
I won't call you dumb because your initial question was not dumb. Why should I?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:37 GMT
#1009
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:40 GMT
#1011
On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

Yes. Now tell me when I said something different?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:48 GMT
#1016
On September 22 2013 09:44 ObviousOne wrote:
Based on my quick preview of JAT's filter from his newbie game, I have deduced that his style can be generalized as early-game-reactive, late-game-proactive.

I'm basically going to think he's scummy today no matter what, so (cover your eyes, earmuff your children) I need to wait and see with him.

Only question I have for you right now JAT: Have you played mafia before outside of TL? If so, briefly describe it.

This is quite accurate. No, I didn't play outside TL.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 00:50 GMT
#1017
On September 22 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

Yes. Now tell me when I said something different?

Your initial answers to OO read me as you were not interested in knowing more about Zaragon.

Well, your read is wrong.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 16:22 GMT
#1315
On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?

Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 16:29 GMT
#1321
On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:
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On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?

Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.


CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL

lynch it with fire

How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 16:31 GMT
#1323
On September 23 2013 01:30 Koshi wrote:
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On September 23 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I'm assuming only 1 or 2 of the non-posters will be mafia, at most. It's just... mafia is kinda relational, so when pieces are missing, it's just odd. Anyway it doesn't matter because we make do with what we have.

Koshi feels really passive here.

Phoneposting really boring.

Time to get near a computer and be townie like the last games i saw of you.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 16:39 GMT
#1327
On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?

Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.


CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL

lynch it with fire

How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv.

I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game.

He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town.

Ok, sounds way more convincing. I will take a look at him.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 16:50 GMT
#1333
On September 23 2013 01:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Before I go to bed I wanted to discuss this post from Firm Tofu in light of him being quite scummy.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Ello peeples.
On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote:
Cos I do what I want bish.

And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool.

Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP.


Now this is clearly a piece of blue hunting, but notice how he tries to downplay his question? Like he doesn't want to be taken serious in his blue hunting because he has inherent guilt and knows it is suspicious. Thoughts?

I don't understand it. I instantly thought it is suspicious bluehunting too. But seriously - how could he think he would get an answer to that besides it is making himself look bad.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 17:01 GMT
#1339
On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?

Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.


CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL

lynch it with fire

How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv.

I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game.

He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town.

I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 17:13 GMT
#1343
On September 23 2013 02:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?

Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.


CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL

lynch it with fire

How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv.

I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game.

He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town.

I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain.


Why does it look townie? Is town or scum more likely to post one large post and then have zero interaction afterwards? Don't just say things. Explain why you believe them to be so.

Well you are right - there is not much interaction found afterwards. Is this a scumtell? I don't know. If he doesn't post more before the lynch it maybe is but for now I won't read to much into that. I liked the post because I can follow his reasoning. Especially about FT and VE. Also he is attacking vocal people left and right. I don't think scum would do that this way.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 17:26 GMT
#1346
On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote:

Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum?

I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all.
In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 22 2013 17:35 GMT
#1352
On September 23 2013 02:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 02:26 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote:

Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum?

I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all.
In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think?


Maybe. But what I think doesn't matter to me right now. I want to know what you think. Specifically I want to know how you formulated your town read of yamato. Now. You said that you liked the post because you could follow the train of thought. Why do you think having easy to follow posts is a town trait? surely scum would prefer their posts to be as easy to follow as possible?

Or did you like the posts because you empathize with what yamato was saying?

Maybe I didn't formulate my reasoning optimally. So, by saying I could follow his reasoning I meant to say it makes sense to me. I come to similar conclusions about FT and VE for example.
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