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wait after reading his post (didn't see it when I posted) he's even more probably town
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idk, I'm not too suspicious of stutters so far, but you have a good point about him asking you the question.
Ray, what's your read on kush? Is it town because you think stutters is scummy?
rather, it should be.
independently of stutters, what do you think of kush?
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feel free to ask questions then
(and I don't think I've missed any big issue, I'm just not going to needlessly comment on things that I wouldn't be able to contribute to)
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I don't see anything noteworthy as scummy in yamatos filter, he's just opinionated enough when it comes to WoS but he's not stupid tunneley, which i like
On September 22 2013 09:33 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 09:31 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:30 yamato77 wrote:
Since I left, almost nothing of consequence has happened.
I am disappoint. Yamatbro, what you think about this justanothertownie fellow? Help me make things of consequence happen! He's probably town.
I like how concise he is, (although nothing of consequence happens), so I guess I have a slight townread on yamato?
I've never played with him before (and I get the impression you have OO?)
(I'm logging gnight)
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Because I think he's town. Chairmans just pretty good lynchbait
he certainly was last game, and his play so far has evoked an identical feel.
on another note, find it annoying how you're like 'umasi hasn't talked enough about the important things in the thread' and then ask me about two one liners.
kinda wacky, but I have a town read on you.
idk about FT, slightly scummy for me, because of how contrived his pressure on DP felt for a silly reason
On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.
I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.
I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.
But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi
Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back.
thank god your thoughts on me basically are 'if he's red, man we have some things to go on' and 'he hasn't talked about important things!'
Lynching for information is something I'm a firm disbeliever of, I think it's frequently a scum tool
fwiw, I told you guys I'd respond to questions you had for me (and the only one I've seen is mocsta's)
mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me'
also there's a vote thread, use it
##vote sentinel
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(still reading through thread btw)
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On September 23 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:02 Umasi wrote:On September 22 2013 17:19 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 16:39 Umasi wrote:
feel free to ask questions then OK. I dont follow the progression here. On September 22 2013 16:25 Umasi wrote:
I think ray is probably town On September 22 2013 16:26 Umasi wrote:
wait after reading his post (didn't see it when I posted) he's even more probably town Referring to post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=54#1073Im more concerned about the first post. Why feel the need to give a free town read on someone that wasn't being discussed at the time. Because I think he's town. Chairmans just pretty good lynchbait he certainly was last game, and his play so far has evoked an identical feel. on another note, find it annoying how you're like 'umasi hasn't talked enough about the important things in the thread' and then ask me about two one liners. kinda wacky, but I have a town read on you. idk about FT, slightly scummy for me, because of how contrived his pressure on DP felt for a silly reason On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.
I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.
I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.
But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi
Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back. thank god your thoughts on me basically are 'if he's red, man we have some things to go on' and 'he hasn't talked about important things!' Lynching for information is something I'm a firm disbeliever of, I think it's frequently a scum tool fwiw, I told you guys I'd respond to questions you had for me (and the only one I've seen is mocsta's) mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me' also there's a vote thread, use it ##vote sentinel This vote is really bad. It's basically an OMGUS with completely twisting Sentinel's case around. That's exactly how i felt when you unvoted LoneMeow.
Well, let's work through this a bit
I'm town, so when I read the thread and see someone who (according to mocsta (who I've kinda considered an influential townie)) occupies a similar position within the thread as me is immediately voting me for that reason, when he's done exactly the same thing? Why IS he voting me instead of someone else in the thread?
Specifically, why did he choose me to vote
gah I'm not phrasing this very well.
basically why am I scummier to him than other people in the thread is my question.
also, how is this similar to me unvoting lonemeow, that it's bad play or that it's scum?
regardless, I don't think I twisted what he said, I tried to read into what he said.
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if it was what I'd said in my last post, why would I bother saying it? I was expanding on it since you seemed to want expansion on the topic.
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dunno, because I'm bad I guess.
Is the reasoning flawed? (because I obviously don't think it is)
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okay. idk if I can help explain it more :|
so do you think sentinel is town then?
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Well I understand what you're saying rayn, I just don't know how I can help you figure it out *shrugs*
I read his vote, went 'this is kinda scummy' then thought about why it was scummy.
mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me'
I'm town, so when I read the thread and see someone who (according to mocsta (who I've kinda considered an influential townie)) occupies a similar position within the thread as me is immediately voting me for that reason, when he's done exactly the same thing? Why IS he voting me instead of someone else in the thread?
I expanded on the first point in the second post, as much as to explain to you guys what it was scummy as well as to figure out myself if it actually was.
*shrug*
if this isn't enough of an explanation go talk to other people in the thread about it I guess
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On September 23 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 03:47 Umasi wrote:
okay. idk if I can help explain it more :|
so do you think sentinel is town then? I do not have a town read on him. I think i have said it before. I dunno how he plays as town but if he continues posting as he has, and does not answer you he is a good lynch. Only thing that looks good to me on him was what he said about you regarding LoneMeow, because that was exactly what i thought when you unvoted him. Why did you unvote him btw? Why not continue pressure on him?
I think I touched on lonemeow a bit somewhere, let me go find the post
On September 22 2013 16:06 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 15:45 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote:Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot. At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now.Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3 Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions. Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Ohai ladies. I back. A few things: For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments: + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? On September 21 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@DP
geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it.
He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me.
As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite. I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts. It's pretty damn meaningless. DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling. The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know. DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it  ) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine. + Show Spoiler +
Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently.
New stuff:
Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something.
Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad.
Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me. As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie". Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned. It's an issue to people like you who try to lynch/suspect people over semantics, because then if I don't use those specific words you say something like: "Of course you want a town DP to be on your side as scum!" It's horseshit, Mocsta. I accept the fact that you've backed down from me because you realized your suspicion was dumb as balls. So you're voting Sentinel because he's policy voting Coag for being useless huh? What is the difference between this and your vote on Sentinel himself? I don't see it if there is one. Well fisrtly, you are taking the whole situation out of context. Its quite clear what I took issue in. It is far from semantics. What you wrote was not a genuine thought. It was refined. Its common knowledge that scum are typically the ones who struggle to post and need to incessantly proof-read their posts. So far from semantics. Nice attempt at ad-hom as well. If you want to keep up this aggressive tone, lay down a vote on me; or shut the fuck up. My sentinel vote is far from policy lynch. I outlined why I think he is worthy of a vote based on flying under the radar by attempting to appear active, but actually contributing nothing. The same goes for Umasi. Sentinels, coag vote *was* for being useless etc, which as I outlined prior is dumb. Because players like that are 'lottery draws" on day1, regardless of being town or scum. What makes it seem like I'm trying to fly under the radar? And I was contributing, why do you say I wasn't? and it was useless to stay on you lonemeow because it's not the votes going to pressure you at all, and you're still more than likely town. ~and so far, your reaction to it has been pretty townie imo, but this wasn't relevant at the time I unvoted because you hadn't responded~ (oh also, saw this in the mafia database earlier, less than 25% of day 1 lynches actually lynch scum, so truly you are a god among men mocsta)
found it
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annoying thing is I don't feel that strongly about the sentinel lynch, just stronger than other lynches that have been tossed around.
kinda want to see what people think though
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On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something.
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lonemeow a vote at random is more likely to hit scum than voting yourself if you know you're town
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idk, feels ominous, I'm not on board with a lonemeow lynch, but I don't have a way to sensibly defend him :|
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I'm afk for a bit, lonemeow, just comment on things that feel scummy and don't feel scummy, and if you think I'm scummiest, vote me and don't undermine the push by saying 'but I'm bad at reading umasi'
stick to your guns and have confidence
although obviously I'd prefer it if you didn't vote me :3
/afk
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A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count?
At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today.
Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town.
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ebwop: he in the first sentence is referring to lonemeow
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If I had to say we did or we didn't, I'd say we didn't, at least not that I'm aware of, in terms of when we were opposing alignments. We just had a scum game with eachother (the recent newbie) but that's not relevant because he shouldn't build bias out of that.
Mocsta felt town because he seemed engaged in getting me involved, and has seemed active and like a leader, but I don't have a way to hard defend my read on him other than 'kind of a gut feel.'
I guess the one thing that offsets me about him is his complaints that I was avoiding bigger issues, and when he had the opportunity to ask me my thoghts, he asked me a single one-liner about chairman ray before the wagon formed and didn't follow it up with anything else, so that was kinda 'ehhhhhhh'
On September 23 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote:
A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count?
At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today.
Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town. Can you confirm or deny that LM and yourself have a history? Read my posts about Mocsta, and/or justify your townread of him.
I'll go read them now
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