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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 21:30 GMT
#3021
Marv direct me. I'm too busy with work to reread the whole thread right now, but I can filter and give thoughts. Help me help you find scum.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 21:32 GMT
#3022
On September 25 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv direct me. I'm too busy with work to reread the whole thread right now, but I can filter and give thoughts. Help me help you find scum.

Filter me please. I am one of the leading candidates for the lynch today so my filter would be a worthwhile investment.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:32 GMT
#3023
Well I listed those 4 names because they're the murky middle as far as I'm concerned.

In a couple of hours when I'm home they're who I plan to spend some time on.

For the 3 non-kush names, they were all posters who 'felt' ok to me during Day 1, yet I couldn't really remember them. kush is being unusually passive. And I'm not seeing things I consider towntells from him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:33 GMT
#3024
Firm he already thinks you scum, sweetcheeks.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 24 2013 21:33 GMT
#3025
On September 25 2013 06:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:14 ObviousOne wrote:
Cheesecake is the epitome of useless this game and that makes him likely town.

Saved you the trouble.


Not so much useless as not posting at all. There's a difference, if you want to get into that sort of thing. Regardless, I am indeed town and would thoroughly enjoy lynching scum today. Have a handful of townreads that I'm fairly confident on. I'm OK with lynching Sent / LM / Pandain / Zaragon.... mayyyyyybe FT.



The bold and the underline don't go together very well.


I don't need to post to find scum.

And there are at least 2 scum in that list


If you really want to lynch scum, how about narrowing it down and picking out those mafia then?

Or do you think you'll fulfil your goal of "thoroughly enjoying" lynching mafia by doing nothing?


Considering there are 6 mafia and I picked 5 people, that's pretty good I guess. Considering I have no idea about any alignment other than my own, I have about the same confidence(Trademark: Debears) in each of those flips. I'm doing things, in my brain. Except nobody can see them. I eliminate all of my townreads from the scumpool and then look at whats remaining -- a bunch of null/maybetown/scummy people. I filter them each, and I come up that I'm content lynching into those guys and see what happens.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
September 24 2013 21:34 GMT
#3026
On September 25 2013 06:23 FirmTofu wrote:
I was just reading Umasi's filter and I'm having a bit of trouble following his thought process.
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 03:02 Umasi wrote:
On September 22 2013 17:19 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 16:39 Umasi wrote:
feel free to ask questions then


OK. I dont follow the progression here.


On September 22 2013 16:25 Umasi wrote:
I think ray is probably town


On September 22 2013 16:26 Umasi wrote:
wait after reading his post (didn't see it when I posted) he's even more probably town


Referring to post
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=54#1073

Im more concerned about the first post. Why feel the need to give a free town read on someone that wasn't being discussed at the time.


Because I think he's town. Chairmans just pretty good lynchbait
he certainly was last game, and his play so far has evoked an identical feel.

on another note, find it annoying how you're like 'umasi hasn't talked enough about the important things in the thread' and then ask me about two one liners.
kinda wacky, but I have a town read on you.

idk about FT, slightly scummy for me, because of how contrived his pressure on DP felt for a silly reason
On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.

I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.

I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.

But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi


Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back.

thank god your thoughts on me basically are 'if he's red, man we have some things to go on' and 'he hasn't talked about important things!'
Lynching for information is something I'm a firm disbeliever of, I think it's frequently a scum tool
fwiw, I told you guys I'd respond to questions you had for me (and the only one I've seen is mocsta's)
mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me'


also there's a vote thread, use it

##vote sentinel

We see an OMGUS vote on Sentinel. Not really alignment indicative because town are guilty of this just like mafia are.

Then he gets pressured by rayn about his vote and slowly backs off, explaining that his vote was simply the best of the options available to him.
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 04:10 Umasi wrote:
annoying thing is I don't feel that strongly about the sentinel lynch, just stronger than other lynches that have been tossed around.
kinda want to see what people think though

Note how the confidence in his reads has drastically diminished over the course of these two posts.

Then, near lynch, we have these kinds of posts.
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 10:57 Umasi wrote:
sentinel vote for justice!
do it do it do it

Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 10:59 Umasi wrote:
no I mean people should vote sentinel for justice :|

He doesn't take a stance on the two candidates that are most likely to be lynched, as if he knows both are town and doesn't want to risk changing his vote and being called scum for it. He also is now suddenly way more confident that Sentinel is scum, despite being dissuaded by rayn at one point in the thread.

:/ I don't like Umasi at all.

this is actually a very good point.

He also say he is firm believer in not lynching for information but that firmness apparently disappears with rayn
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
September 24 2013 21:34 GMT
#3027
Of course you couldn't remember me. That's because noone ever mentioned me ever for a very long time...
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 21:34 GMT
#3028
On September 25 2013 06:32 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv direct me. I'm too busy with work to reread the whole thread right now, but I can filter and give thoughts. Help me help you find scum.

Filter me please. I am one of the leading candidates for the lynch today so my filter would be a worthwhile investment.

I filtered you earlier and didn't like what I read. Feel free to filter me to get an idea of why.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 21:34 GMT
#3029
On September 25 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:
Well I listed those 4 names because they're the murky middle as far as I'm concerned.

In a couple of hours when I'm home they're who I plan to spend some time on.

For the 3 non-kush names, they were all posters who 'felt' ok to me during Day 1, yet I couldn't really remember them. kush is being unusually passive. And I'm not seeing things I consider towntells from him.

Take a dive through Umasi's filter and try to follow his thought process. Doesn't feel very town. For me, it reeks of apathy. His lack of presence around the lynch was especially disconcerting.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
September 24 2013 21:35 GMT
#3030
On September 25 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:32 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv direct me. I'm too busy with work to reread the whole thread right now, but I can filter and give thoughts. Help me help you find scum.

Filter me please. I am one of the leading candidates for the lynch today so my filter would be a worthwhile investment.

I filtered you earlier and didn't like what I read. Feel free to filter me to get an idea of why.

what do you think of tofus point he made on umasi?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 21:35 GMT
#3031
On September 25 2013 06:35 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:32 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv direct me. I'm too busy with work to reread the whole thread right now, but I can filter and give thoughts. Help me help you find scum.

Filter me please. I am one of the leading candidates for the lynch today so my filter would be a worthwhile investment.

I filtered you earlier and didn't like what I read. Feel free to filter me to get an idea of why.

what do you think of tofus point he made on umasi?

I like it far more than anything else he's done this game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:36 GMT
#3032
iamp, convince me you're town please. thank you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 21:36 GMT
#3033
On September 25 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:32 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv direct me. I'm too busy with work to reread the whole thread right now, but I can filter and give thoughts. Help me help you find scum.

Filter me please. I am one of the leading candidates for the lynch today so my filter would be a worthwhile investment.

I filtered you earlier and didn't like what I read. Feel free to filter me to get an idea of why.

I know why you voted me. I want you to read the part of my filter that you haven't read so that you might change your mind. I do consider you town atm, so I'm not going to argue with you on this.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:37 GMT
#3034
By the way, did Malongo really replace an inactive and then not post himself?

Replaception?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 21:37 GMT
#3035
Can anyone tell me who iamp replaced without telling me to RTFT?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
September 24 2013 21:37 GMT
#3036
On September 25 2013 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can anyone tell me who iamp replaced without telling me to RTFT?

onegu

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 24 2013 21:38 GMT
#3037
On September 25 2013 06:27 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fair enough Sentinel.

FT quick question, what is your read on VE? What was your read on VE on D1? A couple of words is enough.

Town, for now. I thought he was scum on Day 1, but his contributions since then have been extremely strong. My read has changed.

Interesting. Because Sentinel brought up a very good point. This is what you said about him:
Later, he switched to Yamato, who is now basically confirmed town barring crazy shenanigans. No real reasoning provided for this vote switch. Just decides Umasi isn't going to gain steam so decides to vote someone else.

The bolded part. How can you bring this up against him on D2? This happened on D1, there were a lot of players suspicious of yamato at that time. Sentinel in fact did bring up his suspicions on yamato earlier on in his posts. Why do you never bring up VE as scummy on D1? Because to me this looks like that you have picked up a player and then start finding out reasons why he is scum.

What exactly are VE's "extremely strong" contributions after D1? I feel like his contributions have been even more weak than on D1...
table for two on a tv tray
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 21:39 GMT
#3038
Okay, yeah you're gonna have to do something then iamp. You being here interacting with the thread without giving any kind of thougths on the gamestate is scummy as hell. It feels more like you're trying to manipulate town sentiment rather than trying to gather information.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
September 24 2013 21:40 GMT
#3039
On September 25 2013 06:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, yeah you're gonna have to do something then iamp. You being here interacting with the thread without giving any kind of thougths on the gamestate is scummy as hell. It feels more like you're trying to manipulate town sentiment rather than trying to gather information.

im actually working on my analyze every player in the game post but then i f5 the thread and saw something stupid and i had to comment and have been distracted ever since
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
September 24 2013 21:41 GMT
#3040
also i will do what i want
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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