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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 21:41 GMT
#3041
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:41 GMT
#3042
rayn, FIrm did bring up VE, in more than one post he mentioned him as scummy.

Unlike you to miss such a thing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:42 GMT
#3043
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.


you're gonna have to explain this good for me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 24 2013 21:42 GMT
#3044
On September 25 2013 06:41 iamperfection wrote:
also i will do what i want

so scummy
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 24 2013 21:43 GMT
#3045
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.

Based on what exactly?
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 21:43 GMT
#3046
On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.


you're gonna have to explain this good for me.

Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post)
It's the same Kush
Kush unplugged
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 21:44 GMT
#3047
On September 25 2013 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:27 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fair enough Sentinel.

FT quick question, what is your read on VE? What was your read on VE on D1? A couple of words is enough.

Town, for now. I thought he was scum on Day 1, but his contributions since then have been extremely strong. My read has changed.

Interesting. Because Sentinel brought up a very good point. This is what you said about him:
Show nested quote +
Later, he switched to Yamato, who is now basically confirmed town barring crazy shenanigans. No real reasoning provided for this vote switch. Just decides Umasi isn't going to gain steam so decides to vote someone else.

The bolded part. How can you bring this up against him on D2? This happened on D1, there were a lot of players suspicious of yamato at that time. Sentinel in fact did bring up his suspicions on yamato earlier on in his posts. Why do you never bring up VE as scummy on D1? Because to me this looks like that you have picked up a player and then start finding out reasons why he is scum.

What exactly are VE's "extremely strong" contributions after D1? I feel like his contributions have been even more weak than on D1...

I wasn't satisfied with Sentinel's justification of his Yamato voteswitch, or any of his voteswitches for that matter. First of all, he never explained why Coagulation was no longer his top scumread. Then, he is just far too willing to drop his Umasi read in favor of voting yamato. I don't think he explained that move in enough detail. It feels like he's hiding information.

I did bring up VE as scummy on Day. Read my filter.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:45 GMT
#3048
On September 25 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.


you're gonna have to explain this good for me.

Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post)
It's the same Kush
Kush unplugged


This is nowhere near good enough, OO.

"he was uninvolved one other time as town so I am 100% he is town here" is not right.

And yes I followed Smurf in detail so it's not like you're referencing something I didn't see.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 21:46 GMT
#3049
@marv
What are your thoughts on rayn? I'm getting an odd feeling from his posts. I want to know if you're feeling the same way.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#3050
On September 25 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.


you're gonna have to explain this good for me.

Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post)
It's the same Kush
Kush unplugged

How long since this game was played? Kush played some really good gaes recently.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#3051
@rayn
I had only read to page 40 when I had a scum read on VE. So my read changed after page 40, not after Day 1.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#3052
EBWOP: games
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#3053
On September 25 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.


you're gonna have to explain this good for me.

Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post)
It's the same Kush
Kush unplugged


This is nowhere near good enough, OO.

"he was uninvolved one other time as town so I am 100% he is town here" is not right.

And yes I followed Smurf in detail so it's not like you're referencing something I didn't see.

This goose is happy with his answer for today.

Tough shit, I guess.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:49 GMT
#3054
I feel better about rayn than I did yesterday Firm.

Him and Moc are my active poster question marks in general really.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 24 2013 21:49 GMT
#3055
On September 25 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, FIrm did bring up VE, in more than one post he mentioned him as scummy.

Unlike you to miss such a thing.

Yes, at the start of the game, never after this:
I don't like voting when there is still information to read. While VE is my strongest scum read at page 40, he may not be at page 58.

Which is apparently @ page 40. Then FT does not come back before the lynch. This is his next mention about VE:
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.

And now VE has apparently made some extremely strong contributions.
I want to know why his read on VE has changed.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 24 2013 21:50 GMT
#3056
On September 25 2013 06:48 FirmTofu wrote:
@rayn
I had only read to page 40 when I had a scum read on VE. So my read changed after page 40, not after Day 1.

AND I JUST PROVED YOU WRONG!
##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 21:51 GMT
#3057
Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 21:52 GMT
#3058
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.

Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.

You're welcome.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 24 2013 21:52 GMT
#3059
On September 25 2013 00:13 Mattchew wrote:
So yamato is town, thats no fun


Did I ruin your singular scum read by being so townie I got protected N1?

Should tell you something about how you're playing this game.

On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:
@Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew
OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew



Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise

+ Show Spoiler +
  • Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
  • Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
  • Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
  • Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
  • Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
  • Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
  • Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
  • Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
  • later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
  • Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means


Overall.
I have a few problems with him
(1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment.
Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!)

(2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd.

(3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.



I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly.

Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew


For the record, this case is very good and why I am reconsidering my townread of Matt. Him being exceptionally useless and not at all attempting to prove that he is town is not what I would expect from Matt, if he were town. Him having bad reads isn't necessarily a tell, because he accused me of being mafia in Voice once when I was literally the most active player in the game and drove discussion.

Officially on the fence about Matt. If he were town, I wish he would do something useful.

On September 25 2013 01:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can I just say how annoyed I am that the "confirmed town", yamato and Coag, have had nothing to say today? SOOOOO salty.


On September 25 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that there are only 3 kills weighs on my mind. The fact that I was suspicious of Coag, and that he's claimed one of the three kills last night. The fact that Yamato hasn't done shit since the day post except try and leverage his position.

Yes, iamp, I do have reason not to believe him. Fucking ass.


VE bitching about me not having played so far today is fucking ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is this sentiment that he doesn't want to confirm me as town. However, I don't know that scum VE would continually attempt to ruffle my feathers so much. He likes to placate townies more than butt heads with them. He accuses me like every game we're in together as town, so its whatever.

On September 25 2013 05:58 deconduo wrote:
Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato.

Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment.


Deconduo has also attempted his best this game to argue that I'm not town, which is amazing. He's done nothing else, notably. It's unfortunate that this is what is typical of his town play. Not a good lynch.

As far as Sentinel goes, he's still the best lynch of all time. His explanation of why he voted for Ray is ass, and even if it wasn't ass, is so far removed from the actual action that it's meaningless. Suddenly he realized I was town because he thought Ray was scum and I couldn't be bussing? WTF

FT's case on Umasi is not as impressive as people think. Umasi is on my "not looking at for a while" list that includes Pandain/Zaragon/JAT as people that aren't posting much but are probably town. FT's other reads this game have been unimpressive. However, I do like that he self-analysed his own meta. That's not something I would expect out of scum.

Cephiro is someone I think could be mafia. Will look into shortly.
Writer@WriterYamato
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 21:52 GMT
#3060
If you want me to quote some posts I liked, I can. Seems like a waste of time, though. VE is in no danger of getting lynched today. We should be discussing scum.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
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