EPTIs there a mafia faction that is distributed among the houses that town has to eliminate or does each player share a win condition with only their own house?
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Is there a mafia faction that is distributed among the houses that town has to eliminate or does each player share a win condition with only their own house? | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:16 DrParnassus wrote: During each night cycle, players must select someone from their individual houses to become the Lord of their house for the entirety of the upcoming cycle. Ex: Night 0, Hodor is elected lord. Hodor will be Lord during all of day 1, both day and night phase. This is done by players pming the host their vote, with plurality voting mechanics, whoever gets most votes first wins etc. Would it make more sense to break ties randomly, rather than the first person to send in their vote? I imagine there will be a lot of 1-1 ties (or even 1-1-1) and rewarding a player based on being in a favorable time zone to send their vote in first seems a bit unfair. | ||
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On July 31 2013 10:04 Chromatically wrote: What's the problem with the last player in the house being permanent lord? I think that's just something to take into consideration when choosing lynches/nks. It's difficult to say how things will work out without knowing the roles, house distribution or how the kp are balanced, but with only 6 votes, mafia would need to control only three houses each day to control the lynch or two houses to force town to vote perfectly. Mafia can manipulate the night hits to eliminate 1-2 lords of the houses they don't control and obtain the runner-up Lordship. Furthermore, 1-2 mafia would likely get selected as Lords through the Lord selection vote. The mafia also have the option of targeting their own house with night kills to guarantee Lordship. I'm just worried things might spiral out of control with mafia having too much influence in the day cycle too quickly. | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:06 Dandel Ion wrote: If everyone form your faction flipped and none of those guys was scum yet, I predict rather short livings for you. Wouldn't worry too much about it. We don't have any information about mafia distribution so that's doesn't necessarily make the remaining player mafia. Plus, suppose we lynch the final member of the house and they are town. Now the mafia team has even more control of the lynch by removing a guaranteed town vote from the pool. Without knowing the setup though, I suppose there are ways for things to work out so things aren't so mafia favored. I'll wait until the game begins to see how things turn out. | ||
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Allow me to present to you all a bottle of our finest Dornish wine as a sign of good faith. I've even prepared a special blend as a gift to the Lord of Highgarden. Similar to a game of resistance, pulling off a strong day one can spiral the game out of control. If a group of Lords is able to pull off a successful lynch, then they should continue to be elected. Everyone doesn't deserve a turn as Lord. It should go to the most town player, even if they aren't necessarily the most experienced. I believe that the Lord kp can be distinguished from the mafia kp based on the fact that the Lord kp is sent in instantly. We can use our 1-shot HP check ability by checking a target before and after the shot to confirm that the Lord is not lying. We can also use the 1-shot HP check before and after mafia night hits to try to determine who was targeted by the mafia kp and survived. I suggest that if the HP check is used, the Lord share it with 1-2 of their strongest town reads to try to keep the information in a town circle, rather than making easier for the mafia team to pick off players. I'm assuming they have no idea how many kp it's going to take to eliminate a player, so a Lord who uses their 1-shot ability early in day one is going to be suspicious. Lords can also coordinate kp to focus on 1-2 targets that we want to flip. If we use it as a double lynch of sorts, it removes the power from the individuals and places it in the town's hands. It is much more useful for us to have scummy players flip, rather than distribute the kp among multiple targets. With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. As the identities of the individuals of my house have been revealed, I might as well report what I have found so far. Onegu has been the most willing to discuss things via pm so far. We was willing to vote for me before we even spoke, but I have no issue with that. The only thing I found weird was that he suggested we use our HP check right away, which doesn't seem to really benefit town and would provide information to the mafia team about how they should use their kp. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. yamato has come off the first in pms from n0. He wanted to be elected Lord on the basis of experience, but he was very reserved in PMs. Any generic questions that I sent his way to get the conversation going he ignored and called them unimportant. I had thought I caught yamato and jrkirby in a scum slip when kirby said he had sent yamato a few pms, while yamato said he didn't receive any, but it appears that jrkirby had been sending them to yamato, rather than yamato77. Dandel Ion finding himself unable to get elected seems like the most interesting part of the game so far. Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? I'm disappointed I haven't received a PM from one of my fellow Lords. I'll be getting in touch with you shortly. I promise, I don't bite...most of the time. ~ Lord Oberyn of House Martell ~ | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote: He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure. And how are you aware for what he said in PMs you couldn't have possibly been involved in? Did one of your other house members come to you and inform you that he was misrepresenting your townplay? | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote: I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. People should certainly post in the thread who they want to lynch and that part shouldn't remain in pms or anything. I was just suggesting that it also be discussed in PMs so one Lord isn't overruling their entire house when it comes to who they should decide to vote. I'm still undecided on how the suggested kp target should be handled. People should certainly post who they think deserves to be shot and perhaps we can use a voting system to have everyone decide, rather than a few individuals, but I'm unsure what type of protective roles the mafia team may have. The kp seem to be instant so if the mafia protective roles aren't instant, this wouldn't be a concern. | ||
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You can paraphrase koshi. Just no direct quotes. On August 08 2013 22:55 Acrofales wrote: This seems like a cheap way out of responsibility. In the end it is YOUR vote and YOU will be held accountable for your use of it. Don't chastise me, Lord of Weeds. Give the peasants the illusion that their opinion matters. On August 08 2013 23:01 Acrofales wrote: I was just told I have 1 KP. How did Xatalos know this already? Are you coming to any conclusion from this statement? It doesn't seem like something the mafia would know either. | ||
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On August 08 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats who´s scum? What do you think about what i wrote on Onegu? I think your post on Onegu was a really weak way to enter the thread. On August 08 2013 23:46 Koshi wrote: DI w.e man, if you want to persue me you are going to lynch town. I might be wrong about some things but from the PMs you sent me I was never going to elect you Lord. Well, I am not going to ever elect you now obviously. Don't post like this. It only gets you lynched. What were some things you were wrong about? On August 08 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote: note how he didn't actually ask for reasons (he never did), he just asked if i was serious. town wants to know reasons, scum would only want to make use of the level of seriousness (which he tried to do in his quest for lordship that failed so throughly) You yourself said he asked why in a post earlier. Is this untrue? What did sol lie about? Why did you think so strongly that he was scum? | ||
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On August 08 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote: wtf is it with you and sol I'm tunneling koshi here. I didn't "strongly" think sol was scum, I only phrased it as such to get reads on the other two. Well, actually just towards Chrom, @koshi i actually have said "retard or scum" which is something else entirely. Again, why do you have such a boner for sol? On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote: but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol). On August 08 2013 21:43 Dandel Ion wrote: solstice might be a second scum, who knows, it wouldn't surprise me, but I'm still not one way or the other on him. On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote: Because koshi is scummier. sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour. A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though. You're welcome to tunnel koshi, but when you use wording like this, I'm trying to understand if you're being sensationalistic or sincere. You call out sol as lying and misrepresenting your play, which almost certainly points to you viewing him as scum, then post that you haven't decided one way or another, then decide that you've found two scum players a few hours into the game. You post that koshi didn't ask reasons why sol is scum, but also posted that koshi did ask why and posted reason he felt he was town. You're playing emotionally to justify your tunnel, which I view as scummy. Either yamato is mafia and already knows the identities of House Martell or he is town, making an anti-town decision, but is still not scum. Him posting the house list doesn't mean Onegu should be more suspicious of him. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:05 Dandel Ion wrote: No, he just asked if I was serious. Not why. So this didn't happen? On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote: SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing) DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord . | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol Oberyn, did you even read my post? Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town.. He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:10 iamperfection wrote: he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter" I find not sharing an opinion on the Dandel/koshi situation weak. | ||
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##Vote: Solstice | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:40 Dandel Ion wrote: Koshi avoid lying by not talking about things and not explaining himself. So no he hasn't reeeeeally lied yet. Technically. You've mentioned that koshi has lied multiple times. Why call him a liar if that isn't the case? | ||
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Based on this new information from Chrom would you rather lynch sol or koshi? | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:35 kushm4sta wrote: hey all i will be more active second half of the game! for now i wanna lynch yamato on policy grounds My house kp is currently aimed at you unless you become more active the first half of the game. Cool a beefy post from Risen :D | ||
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Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? | ||
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I'm still suspicious of sol, but for now I'm going to: ##Unvote ##Vote Acrofales | ||
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On August 09 2013 08:24 Acrofales wrote: What the hell are you smoking? Here is the first thing you sent to me about using magic: Here is your second missive, after my reply: And MY REPLY to that is the plan. After this we have not communicated about using the magic, and were discussing Yamato. Exactly. Nothing there points to us working together on come to your plan. It gives me the creeps that you decide to bring up three different times that I helped formulate the idea as if we're working behind the scenes to come up with something incredibly pro-town. I feel like you're buddying up to me in that sense. Furthermore, the plan isn't so great that you have to keep it a secret from rayn. You're overstating your contribution right now. On August 09 2013 06:44 Acrofales wrote: Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? On August 09 2013 08:11 Acrofales wrote: I also made an allusion to the plan concocted by Sharrant, the Red Viper and myself On August 09 2013 06:44 Acrofales wrote: Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with. | ||
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I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are town, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction. Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it. Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them. In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today. | ||
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On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote: More on Acrofales: I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are scum, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction. Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it. Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them. In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today. EBWOP | ||
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iamp has stated that he refuses to lynch any lord this cycle and wants a lurker lynch this cycle. I disagree that Lords should be given immunity and would like to see him comment on Acro, rayn, and his 1-2 preferred lynch candidates. While taking a strong stance against inactives is nice and all, I feel he has contributed just as much as several of the people on his lurker list. | ||
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On August 09 2013 10:58 Grackaroni wrote: @All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's iamp has done very little in PMs with me, simply asking an irrelevant question about the Lord voting. He ignored a pm I sent him asking his opinion about the other Lords. When I asked a second time, he said that he doesn't have a scum read on any Lords. He said he doesn't have a mafia read apart from the lurkers. Kush is apparently his prefered target, but he doesn't really express this in the thread, other than calling for a night hit. Him and Acro are definitely the two Lords that look the worst at this point. | ||
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On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: Chrom even if scum, would probably not raise the middle finger and KP who he wanted and blow our check. More likely, he would try to maneuver our KP to someone he wanted with discussion and leave the check alone. Either way, with a scum Dandel or a scum Chrom, they would use the house kp to shoot a town and there is not much you can do about it. It seems to me that the logical decision is to elect the player that is more likely town to avoid this scenario. If Dandel is going to clearly get caught as a scum Lord wouldn't electing him be a good idea? Free scum read? Furthermore, are you saying that preserving the 1-shot hp check is important enough to elect a null player over a town player? I'm not convinced by your reasoning. On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: Dandel also lied about me not trying to figure out people's alignments within our house. So are you saying that Dandel is lying and misrepresenting you, but you think he is town? Why call him a liar, suggesting an anti-town motivation, yet support him at the same time? Also, what specifically in PMs led you to a town read? | ||
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The PM titled "Hey". On August 09 2013 11:11 iamperfection wrote: also i find it absolutely hilarious that people think lurkers cant be scum they almost always are. herp derp iamp is scum because he wants to kill scum Who is this post directed at? If you list 6-7 inactives of course there is likely a couple of scum in there. Excuse me if I'm unimpressed until you point out which ones are actually mafia. | ||
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On August 09 2013 11:24 s0Lstice wrote: I think the HP check is pretty valueable. Like I was saying in PM's, it can have DT like functionality. A player deciding to sabotage the ability because he knows he is going to get caught can also have DT like functionality. I still don't see why you think Dandel outing himself as scum would be a reason not to elect him. | ||
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On August 09 2013 17:59 Dandel Ion wrote: imo we should agree on 3 of them and have 2 houses shoot them respectively. If you're going to say this, you have to list names. On August 09 2013 20:10 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't like how he plays. It feels like he's always trying to talk about things that are not relevant at the moment. Like, he keeps annoying me about sol while koshi is the topic, then when we finally talk about sol, the topic he liked so much, he suddenly goes on about acro instead. Not sure what that means for his alignment but it ain't feeling right. So you attack me for asking about sol, but you would be quite happy with sol. You attack me for poking at Acro, but you understand why he would be suspicious. And this means that my play doesn't "feel right"? In what way does moving forward the conversation targeted at people you view as likely scum make you dislike my play? | ||
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On August 09 2013 16:55 Clarity_nl wrote: All is cool up until this point. He's buddying up to you, he's overstating his contributions. These are decent points. Here comes the thing I have an issue with though: Suddenly every interaction you've ever had with acro points to him being scum? Why didn't we hear from this earlier? You had not mentioned any of these points until now. Could anyone from Oberyn's house say if he ever mentioned these things before, and whether or not he talked about acro possibly being scum? You had a vote on him for one concise reason, implying you could lynch him for just that reason, and then you felt the need to suddenly attach 5 more reasons. Why is that, Oberyn? I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. You're saying that you would have preferred only a single reason that I was suspicious of him, rather than all of them? The vote was for a combination of all the reasons, I just happened to list them in back to back posts. As for why we didn't hear from this earlier, the only real new thing I've added is the explanation of why koshi/DI are town. Chrom also agreed that he came to that conclusion too easily and rayn I discussed the 1-shot hp usage with. Just to be clear, do you disagree that Acro is scummy? On August 09 2013 17:56 Clarity_nl wrote: Let me put it this way. In chronological order: 1. He takes advantage of the mess rayn and acro have created by voting for acro 2. He then goes back and explains why his reasoning in his votepost makes sense (this is fine) 3. He now shows that he went back and looked at his interactions with acro Why did he not look back at the interactions before voting him? Surely you look back at it BEFORE you vote someone? I believe he is scum who tried to take advantage of the situation, and acted too quickly, started doubting that the reasons he posted in thread looked genuine, so he went back and slapped on everything that he could twist to look scummy. He had not mentioned acro at all before this point. If anyone has received pms from oberyn in which he expresses concern of acro being scum prior to the rayn/acro outburst then I might be willing to change my mind on this. I expressed susupicion of Acro before rayn did. How can I be taking advantage of the situation when I've made it clear to multiple players that Acro is one of my top scum reads. The two posts were minutes apart. It's not like I went back 5 hours later and decided to come up with a case for my suspicions. Even if have a scum read on Acro, multiple reasons are going to be more convincing to others than a single one. I expressed suspicion of Acro way before, even asking chrom to check back with me if he comes across anything weird in PMs. On August 09 2013 20:29 Clarity_nl wrote: You don't think is weird that even though acro told oberyn that he thought the hp check was on a person rather than a house, oberyn failed to mention this in his post? Oberyn told rayn that if acro was speaking the truth about that, it's not anti-town. I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement. | ||
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On August 09 2013 21:49 Dandel Ion wrote: If you can't even look at the signup-list and be able to tell who isn't posting, you aren't reading the thread. There is no reason to respond like this as town. I asked you for specific individuals that you believe should be shot. There are at least 10 people who could be classified as lurkers. They obviously aren't all mafia. Which ones are more likely to flip mafia? | ||
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On August 09 2013 21:54 Dandel Ion wrote: See, you do know who's a lurker and who's not. Wasn't that hard was it. Are you trying to imitate Ace or something? Keep working on it. | ||
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You're misunderstanding what I'm referring to. The 1-shot single target hp check was what I did not mention and was what Acro did not understand. I'm referring to when Acro wanted to use the 1-shot house hp check for no real reason other than to figure out the hp system. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote: Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else. We discussed the scummy setup analysis. I told him to not tell anyone because I wanted Acro to be more open in PMs if he thought I trusted him. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote: You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn? rayn and chrom mainly. I told Onegu that it was a pressure vote. I don't give any other reasoning, nor was I asked really. | ||
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On August 09 2013 22:16 Clarity_nl wrote: You told onegu it was a pressure vote? Was it? As opposed to a vote meant to not pressure him? Yes I wanted a reaction. On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote: I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. It hasn't changed and I just asked him a few things less than an hour ago, but he's playing hard to get. I don't think sol and dandel are both scum, which is the part time trying to figure out. On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Suggestions? On August 09 2013 22:16 Xatalos wrote: Could you make a summary of your thought process in this issue? You lost me somewhere along the way. At this point I'd rather focus more on other players than myself, unless there was something about Acro that you don't follow. | ||
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On August 09 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: As opposed to a vote to lynch him because he's scum. I understand the two are not mutually exclusive but if it's so obvious that every vote is a pressure vote then why did you tell onegu it was a pressure vote? onegu expressed that he would prefer my vote to remain on sol. I wanted to see where the thread went after the discussion of sol died off and there was still a full 24 hours left in the day to explore new individuals. I replied that I wanted to pressure Acro and would likely return to sol. At this point, I'm undecided whether or not I will be returning to sol, dandel, or possibly yamato/iamp. When I poked yamato for activity, he said he would be on for a while tonight and assumed he would catch up in the thread. He has continued to be around, but not helpful, which is why he is one of my preferred lurker shot candidates (See dandel, that wasn't very hard was it? Your turn!) | ||
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On August 09 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote: No, but he sure would like to act like it. Just to be clear, does this mean that I'm maliciously trying to make you look bad as a potential mislynch or that I'm just casting suspicion on you for personal amusement? | ||
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On August 09 2013 22:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Just to be clear, have you, or have you not ever seen one of my towngames? Yes sir. | ||
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If you're playing scummy, saying "hey guys look at my old games, I always play scummy" isn't a valid excuse. I'm not a huge meta fan either. If you're incapable of emulating your town play as scum, then you're not very good scum player. | ||
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On August 09 2013 22:44 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm not even playing scummy, you're just imagining that. Yes, I'm a bad scum player. That's what I keep telling people... Don't worry. I can give you some tips post game if you ask nicely. jrkirby hasn't set off any red flags yet in PMs, though similar to Acro, I question how they come to the both town conclusion so easily. In this case, I'd be more suspicious of Acro, rather than kirby due to experience. Kirby is going to find himself shot if he's not posting in the thread more though. | ||
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iamp is arguing that Sharrant is scummy for choosing not to post in the thread. In my experience, I've never a scum player willingly not post in the thread for an entire cycle because they think they can get away with it. Scum or town, there is always an excuse, whether it be personal issues or not caring about the game. | ||
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On August 10 2013 01:18 Sharrant wrote: I'm not confident enough to name anyone as scum until I've read the thread a few more times. Does this infer that you have indeed read the thread at least once? | ||
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Does anyone recall who posted the list of house members? | ||
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House Tyrell: Kushm4sta johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales Is it terrible that I'm picking the guy with one post? kush is a martyr so I wouldn't consider him. johnny is suspicious to several players, although I haven't spent much time on him yet and I have a scum read on Acro. I wish we had one of Dandel's house nukes. House Greyjoy raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Nachomamma8 Risen I'm content with rayn staying as Lord based on activity. House Stark strongandbig Clarity_nl Oatsmaster Vivax This was a tough choice since most of these individuals are townish null. I'd like to see s&b's play today before making a final decision on this one. House Lannister iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Gumshoe Xatalos appears more town to me than iamp thus far. I don't like iamp's preferred house kp target and he hasn't done enough in the thread. House Baratheon Chromatically Koshi S0lstice Dandel Ion I would be pretty opposed to any of the other three at this point. Chrom has been pretty active in PMs. House Martell Oberyn jrkirby yamato77 Onegu I feel I've been the most active among my house and I know my own alignment. | ||
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I might just go troll hunting tonight because I can. On August 10 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are you posting that more than 48 hours until we have to vote Oberyn? Seems like useless fluff to me. About 10 hours and silent nights. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:13 Xatalos wrote: Is jrkirby really scum? I'd be opposed to his lynch right now. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:14 Sharrant wrote: I don't think Acrofales has ever had any intention of using the house health check. Acro told me that he informed you that he intended to use his hp check and hadn't heard back. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:15 Oberyn wrote: Acro told me that he informed you that he intended to use his hp check and hadn't heard back. In fact, I think you were the one he said that talked him out of it. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:20 Vivax wrote: He did not post more. You don't want to shoot him. I know of him that he's a newbie and as such he might not know how to play most efficiently, and what the game's "meta" is, but I don't really like how you argue about his alignment. When you don't know how they reach the conclusion, you simply base it on their experience if it's scummy or not. Then you only try to judge kirby on the amount of his posts, but also say "he's going to find himself shot". You make it sound as if you wouldn't want to be the guy pulling the trigger but could understand if someone did. He didn't post more, but now you openly oppose it. If you got any extended read from your PMs with him it would be the time to share it, and an opinion from you on his in-thread post would help as well. If you had to shoot someone right now, who would it be? jrkirby has recently informed me that he has internet problems. I don't have such an anti-town read that I'd want to lynch him over everyone else. If I had to shoot, it would probably be yamato. With a lynch between Acro/sol. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:39 Vivax wrote: What's his explanation of inactivity we don't see in the thread? He just said I haven't had time and then last night he said he was watching dota, but would be around all night. On August 10 2013 03:39 Vivax wrote: I'm mainly curious about it cause both yammo and kirby seem to have rl reasons for their inactivity and you present jkirby's reasons and buy them but keep the yammo matter rather under the rug. kirby seems to have a legitimate excuse, while yamato does not. kirby was also willing to discuss things in pms on n0 while yamato was not. Essentially yamato made no effort to try to determine my alignment on n0. He asked once for us to vote for him (I'm pretty sure he only asked 2/3 of us) and then randomly decided to vote for me. I asked him several questions and he said the Lord vote is the only thing that matters. He pushed off my questions until later, yet never attempted to discuss the Lord voting in much detail. I asked him about the DI/koshi/sol situation and he wanted to wait and see, but he disagreed with my vote on sol so early. He has only given me one potential scum read, which is S&B, yet he hasn't mentioned him in the thread. He has never mentioned oats to me in pms or attempted to convince me to vote for him. He has only one talking point and that came early, early on in the game. I informed him that I was upset with his inactivity, he promised to return to the thread, and he never did. | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:14 Oberyn wrote: Does anyone disagree with the Lords splitting the house kp between 2 targets with 3 kp a piece? I disagree with this actually. I think it might have been mentioned elsewhere, but I forgot about it. It is probably better to shoot the same player in order until they flip, then move on to the next player on the list. Does anyone disagree with this? | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am somewhat back. Oberyn, why are you so obsessed with Dandel? He was overconfident from my perspective based on his reads from the beginning of the game. He became a thread bully by attacking anyone that found him suspicious. He attempted to defend his anti-town behavior explaining that he always does so. He called my play "weird/not right" even though he agreed with both of my reads. He pushes koshi the entire cycle and then decides he's going to troll us with a random vote and leave the thread. On August 10 2013 04:01 s0Lstice wrote: Oberyn, can you be more specific about what you and Chrom talked about and how/why that affected your read on him? There isn't really anything specific that I can point to, no. Mainly activity and general agreeance with reads. It's possible he's just playing the Yes Man role, but he seems to have an interest in the lynch to make not look into him any further. | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:03 Risen wrote: Also, just an idea, but can we consolidate two KP targets within the same house, have a house lord do an HP check on their house, then decide what to do with our KP? I disagreed earlier with the notion of using the house HP check, but for deciding whether to split KP or not it makes things a lot easier to coordinate on which lord shoots who. I'd be extremely concerned with giving the mafia team an idea of how many kp it takes to kill a player. If they spread out their kp too much, we could have several players live another cycle with 1-2 kp. If they focus their kp too much, they could use more shots than necessary, making it a waste. I wouldn't want to make that public. | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:11 Oberyn wrote: I'd be extremely concerned with giving the mafia team an idea of how many kp it takes to kill a player. If they spread out their kp too much, we could have several players live another cycle with 1-2 kp. If they focus their kp too much, they could use more shots than necessary, making it a waste. I wouldn't want to make that public. To elaborate...the Lords have the benefit to shoot 1 at a time and have it resolve instantly. From my understanding, the mafia team does not. We should take advantage of that. | ||
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I feel like I don't really have an understanding of what your reads are. I'd really like to see some sort of list post from you or something. Or at least a couple suggestions who to shoot. Have you tried to push sol further in pms? | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:06 Onegu wrote: Sorry in hospital all day, about to sleep but will be up multiple hours before deadline to post my thoughts. But Oberyn lies here. I never said I would prefer his vote to stay on Sol... He does tell me his vote is just a pressure vote when I ask him thoughts on the situation, but I have never told him who to vote or that his vote should stay on someone. Ya it looks like I was confusing that with a pm from jrkirby who prefers sol. | ||
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I told him that he was the number one vig shot between the Lords and that he really needs to start posting if he is town. His reply was essentially: "meh doubt it." | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:22 yamato77 wrote: Look, I already told you guys who to lynch. Do you want a medal for your one-liner? | ||
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I don't have a strong read one way or the other. What's your thought process? What do you think about sol/koshi? Do you still think oats is scum? Have you exchanged any pms with our house mates this cycle? Who is your preferred lurker shot? | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:33 yamato77 wrote: I find your lack of response to me disturbing. Seems opportunistic to call me scum without actually trying to interact with me at all. You've had every opportunity to contribute. We shouldn't have to ask you, you should want to tell us. You had to have known that we would want a reason for your s&b suspicion. Why not post it without being prompted? | ||
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On August 10 2013 03:08 Dandel Ion wrote: In an conscious effort to improve thread atmosphere, I've decided to stop posting for today. I'm not sure if this is a serious post or not, but I'd strongly advise against this. | ||
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On August 10 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oberyn, are you here? Who´s your preferred lynch target? Same question to SnB & iamp. I'm about to head home. I've been at work all day so I really would like a chance to reread the thread from start to finish before I decide. I should be around most of the evening. | ||
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On August 10 2013 06:02 Acrofales wrote: My horse is ready. Adieu! Careful not to ride off a cliff. I know that's an issue with you Tyrells. | ||
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On August 10 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote: i also wouldn't mind lynching acro for playing in character. I enjoy it, but I'd be fine for lynching acro for being mafia. | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote: A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though. The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much. I'd like to take another look at this post. Dandel suggests that the most likely situation is that koshi and sol are scum buddies. However, at an earlier point he explained how sol was lying and misrepresenting his town abilities in a pm with koshi and that koshi reported back to dandel with this information. Is is just me or does it make absolutely no sense that a scum player would decide to campaign to convince his own scum buddy, then that scum buddy would report the misrepresentation back to a town player. I really don't understand how dandel could come to a conclusion that they are both mafia. | ||
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On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote: Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. I find it extremely hard to believe gumshoe thinks he actually has a vote. To have completely ignored how the Lord election process works would blow my mind. | ||
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I'm fine with the FT lynch for now. He has failed to comment on any of the major talking points or push a lynch. This post in particular comes off bad. "You people are useless. Alright, I do it myself." He then says that scum are in our sight, but never follows up. It's not the most polarizing lynch at this point, but with so many inactives it might just be a good idea to start killing them off until they start to participate. ##Vote FirmTofu | ||
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gumshoe has 7 kp. The Lords shoot 6 kp, meaning the mafia likely finished him off. 4 players knew it would take a single kp to finish off gumshoe. The mafia obviously aren't going to spend more kp than they have to on a 2 post inactive like gumshoe. Extreme FOS to the players who had knowledge of his hp check. | ||
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On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Just to follow up on this... Did iamp inform you of the results of the check before the night cycle ended? | ||
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On August 11 2013 15:28 Grackaroni wrote: Yes. I did consider this as well after i said that in thread but more likely he was shot additionally by a townie with kp. Scum could have gotten a free lynch from Gumshoe today... You don't find it incredibly strange that a player releases the number of shots it takes to eliminate 4 players at a point where the mafia can still submit their night hits? If there is a townie who used a kp to finish off gumshoe, I think they should claim to their Lord, that Lord pms their strongest town read Lord, and the town kp is claimed anonymously in the thread. | ||
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On August 11 2013 15:31 Xatalos wrote: Why would scum want gumshoe dead ASAP though? He wasn't doing anything. But if we follow your logic, one of me, iamperfection or grackaroni is scum. I have townreads on all three of us now though, so I doubt it. It could have been a Vigi or something similar as well. It's also possible that another Lord used their kp check. If no town claims the shot, then I'd be extremely suspicious of whoever knew how much it would take to kill gumshoe. Mafia would obviously want gumshoe dead ASAP if they knew it would only take 1 kp, since he could be blue and is a easy pick off when there are players with 7+ hp around. | ||
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On August 11 2013 15:31 Xatalos wrote: I was roleblocked tonight. Dunno for what reason. I'm going to roleclaim now because I think it leads us to at least one mafia lynch. I'm Oberyn Martell The Watcher who targeted Xatalos last night. I saw two different players visit Xatalos during the night cycle. Claim in the thread the reason you were visiting him or we assume you're the roleblocker and we lynch you. | ||
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On August 11 2013 15:50 Oberyn wrote: I'm going to roleclaim now because I think it leads us to at least one mafia lynch. I'm Oberyn Martell The Watcher who targeted Xatalos last night. I saw two different players visit Xatalos during the night cycle. Claim in the thread the reason you were visiting him or we assume you're the roleblocker and we lynch you. Actually on second thought. PM your Lord the reason that you were visiting Xatalos. That way we don't potentially expose a blue. The Lord can then PM me with the reason. If I don't hear back, I'll just out both players and we can decide between the scummiest. | ||
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On August 11 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What happens if A: Its a fakecheck. B: Yamato is a miller C: Yamato was framed. Hm Xata? So is that what you think oats? | ||
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I then PM'd iamp stating that I want yamato moved up to the priority night kill. He disagreed and insisted that gumshoe and kush be shot first. I asked Acro about his thoughts on night hits, including yamato's name and he said that he was too busy in PMs to reply. He completely dodged the question. Chromatically put yamato last on his list of night shots behind gumshoe, kush, and johnnywup stating that yamato will likely be lynched today. | ||
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I haven't been around a computer all day, but I should be available most of tomorrow. The thread should be made aware that I am not a watcher and Onegu is not a 1-shot medic. It was probably a long shot, but I have received no information regarding the identity of the roleblocker. Carry on. | ||
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On August 10 2013 06:40 Oberyn wrote: I'd like to take another look at this post. Dandel suggests that the most likely situation is that koshi and sol are scum buddies. However, at an earlier point he explained how sol was lying and misrepresenting his town abilities in a pm with koshi and that koshi reported back to dandel with this information. Is is just me or does it make absolutely no sense that a scum player would decide to campaign to convince his own scum buddy, then that scum buddy would report the misrepresentation back to a town player. I really don't understand how dandel could come to a conclusion that they are both mafia. Dandel, could you please comment on this post. Additionally, why did you choose to disappear at the end of d1? | ||
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On August 12 2013 22:50 kushm4sta wrote: I'm so tired of fakeclaims.... it happens like every game now. Lynch the fake claimers so we won't have to deal with this shit in future games IMO>>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, you think I should be lynched? | ||
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In PM's, I asked jrkirby if he has been in contact with yamato and he replied that he sent a pm, but did not receive a response. I then asked yamato if he had been in contact with jrkirby and he responded that he has never received anything. When I confronted jrkirby about the conflict, he explained that he was sending the pms to yamato, rather than yamato77. The house PM did refer to him as yamato, without the numbering. jrkirby told me that he was concerned about the FT lynch and expressed interest in a yamato lynch, refering to him as the scummiest player in the thread. yamato sent a PM to Onegu stating that we should vote for him because he is the most experienced player on our team. I received the exact same PM. jrkirby indicated that he did not receive the same campaign speech. I find it incredibly odd that he wanted two of us to vote for him, but not the third. When I asked him about it, he claims to have found it incredibly strange not to have heard from him, but he will contact him once he has time. So why does he have time to contact two of us, but not the third? yamato is not interested in giving an opinion on koshi/sol. He expresses suspcion about s&b, mostly one-liners. I told yamato that he was currently the priority vig shot if he doesn't start posting and he replied as if he knew he was not the priority shot. Dirty scum Lord? yamato PM'd me asking for my pms from Acro. He claimed that he was building a case on Acro for day two. yamato claims vanilla to me this cycle. | ||
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On August 12 2013 23:32 Clarity_nl wrote: What do you mean post red flip. The reveal of the check in thread or? The check/trolling of the thread. | ||
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On August 12 2013 23:34 iamperfection wrote: are you seriously asking me why i wanted gumeshoe shot.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................really? kush is useless piece of shit i still want him shot. I'm asking why you preferred them over yamato......really. | ||
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On August 12 2013 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote: So it's all useless wifom because this happened after he claimed scum, is what you're saying? Sorry, what are you referring to? | ||
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On August 12 2013 23:45 Xatalos wrote: Wait. When did Sharrant tell Acro he had a red check? Was it before or after Oberyn fakeclaimed? From my understanding, last night, before the mafia hits even went through. He claimed dt at night and asked for a check target. | ||
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On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it You're lecturing us after deciding that you're only going to start playing the second half of the game, stating that you have no scum reads, and you want to push a policy lynch the day of a red check? I'm not sure if I'd be more upset if you were to flip town or scum. | ||
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On August 12 2013 08:45 Ace wrote: Not the entire thing. When I replaced in Game was at 82 pages and I skimmed. rayne sent me a PM with some reads and interactions between players. So I used that to start the game off. I'm pretty sure I'm missing some critical info so fill me in. You do intend to read the entire game though, correct? Can you give a specific reason you chose not to vote for rayn? How much of the thread had you read by the time that you submitted your vote? | ||
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On August 13 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Onegu is scum so do not necessarily trust him. What was the case? Well Risen is acting like you're mafia with 100% certainty. I'm more interested in that at the moment. Do you have any idea what he might be referring to? | ||
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"Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each." yamato and myself have posted in the thread that we haven't talked a lot with jrkirby, so I'm less convinced. | ||
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On August 13 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well did you guys talk with each other (other than Jrkirby) much? Grackaroni states that "noone in house Martell is talking to each other". Is this true? yamato has been very quiet in PMs. jkirby a moderate amount, but disappears for extended periods of time (internet issues?) and onegu quite active. | ||
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On August 13 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote: Do you think there is a mole in the Lannister House? If so is it JrKirby, iamp, or Grack? Just to clarify, Jrkirby is not a Lannister (And if he is, we've got a nice dungeon cellar for him) | ||
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On August 13 2013 04:35 Acrofales wrote: In reading the minutes of the start of our meeting I am really surprised by how absolutely useless Dandel Ion was. I thought he had been helpful in sorting out the mess regarding Baratheon politics, but he was instead disruptive and caused more harm than good. We're starting to agree on things. This feels quite strange. | ||
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Thanks to thrawn, Prom, Wave and Marv for hosting. Interesting setup. Excellent job by the mafia team with the Lord elections. Town players giving up the Lord vote to another player simply because they are more experienced is definitely a mistake. On August 20 2013 14:50 DrParnassus wrote: -House checks. Town didn't seem to put mch thought into what should be done with them. Ideally they should have all been burnt D1 by townies who keep the results to themselves. They could also be used sorta like a watcher role to try and get a fix on who might be soaking up scum kp. Either of these options would have greatly benefited town I disagree on this one. The HP count is so much more important to mafia than town d1. We probably should have elected a different Lord d2 in most houses and then policy lynched anyone who didn't have their check remaining. Also, the fact that the mafia knew gumshoe only had 1 HP remaining was terrible. Excellent job by Onegu showing that he was town in PMs. Mocsta also did a great job catching up with the thread and putting in the effort from a very bad position. Unfortunately, the modkill ruined everything and was incredibly disrespectful to the hosts and players. Several people fell for the PM game trap of not posting in the game thread, myself included. I had about 250 PMs and about half as many actual posts. I shouldn't have responded to every question as I was often forced to give opinions on players that I didn't want to spend the time to look into. I also wish that I had been more assertive when it came to the day one lynch/shot. I'm still absolutely terrible with lurker lynches. FT, gumshoe, kush (and nearly johnnywup/jrkirby) were all policy kills and they all flipped town. It's such a challenge to face an active mafia team when there are so many town players who simply don't care. Well played by koshi to ignore his entire mafia team and not fall for the watcher claim. On August 20 2013 17:17 Ace wrote: dont fake claim in the future please  Ignore this guy. He clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. Acrofales wrote: I am willing to surrender right now. I see no way of winning this setup. lolol Acro such a scrub. | ||
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