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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 11 2013 20:41 GMT
#2030
For my filter, that last post was about snb.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 11 2013 20:48 GMT
#2033
Yamato is it possible for you to stop? I'm actually getting pretty annoyed to the point that I wanna report you.
I asked you to stop earlier.

If you wanna go "LOL DUMB LOL" or whatever go ahead but quit it with the damn pictures and gifs.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 11 2013 20:52 GMT
#2035
On August 12 2013 05:50 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yamato is it possible for you to stop? I'm actually getting pretty annoyed to the point that I wanna report you.
I asked you to stop earlier.

If you wanna go "LOL DUMB LOL" or whatever go ahead but quit it with the damn pictures and gifs.

If you don't appreciate my humor, you are free to just not read the thread.


What I don't appreciate is a fucking 3 second loop moving in the corner of my eye for the rest of the day.
But yes, I don't appreciate your humor either.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 07:21 GMT
#2091
On August 12 2013 12:08 Oberyn wrote:
##Vote yamato77

I haven't been around a computer all day, but I should be available most of tomorrow. The thread should be made aware that I am not a watcher and Onegu is not a 1-shot medic. It was probably a long shot, but I have received no information regarding the identity of the roleblocker. Carry on.


Kind of expected sadly. Whats with the new meta to scumclaim everything.
Oberyn do you really have a strong townread on onegu behind closed doors? I don't understand why you did this with him, instead of perhaps another lord (your house is kinda scummy except for you)

On August 12 2013 07:41 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:29 Ace wrote:

Did chromatically know about yamato being checked when he told you he would likely be lynched the next day?

I did not. He wasn't doing anything and he was under pressure for it, so I assumed he would either a) shape up and not be a good shot anyway or b) not shape up and be scum.

Also:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 05:24 Clarity_nl wrote:

Also, chromatticaly has been posting consistently this game, so why don't I remember anything about him.
Just read his filter and while glancing it looks townie, if I go through his filter and note all the reads he has the list is rather short.

If there's anything in particular you'd like to know, you can just ask. I don't want to just give out reads for no reason when we're not lynching them.


Ok so, this is pretty annoying. I gave it a rest because people are vouching for you, but why won't people share their goddamn scumreads in the thread. How are the people that aren't a lord supposed to figure stuff out when all you dorks are just talking in pms.

d5 is gonna arrive and all we're gonna have is.
Player A called player B town because of pms
Player B called player C scum because of pms

Since Player B is town, I guess player C is scum?!?!? I DONT FUCKING KNOW I HAVE NO INFO

I understand yamato is dying today so it'll be a slow day and that's fine but can we PLEASE just scumhunt in the thread?
It also puts actual pressure on the people you believe are scum since everyone in the game can watch stuff unravel.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 07:25 GMT
#2093
scumclaim = fakeclaim, tis early
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 07:25 GMT
#2094
On August 12 2013 16:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace has been insanely useless guys. He's scum.
Clarity, what do you think?


I think he's been insanely useless. I think we shouldn't shoot him n2 though.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 07:32 GMT
#2097
Because at least he's showing up 1000 times saying he hasn't caught up yet.
Eventually he'll have to say he's caught up, right? Let's see what he does then.

Plus rayn said in his opening post that nmm8 seems towny.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 07:48 GMT
#2105
On August 12 2013 16:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because at least he's showing up 1000 times saying he hasn't caught up yet.
Eventually he'll have to say he's caught up, right? Let's see what he does then.

Plus rayn said in his opening post that nmm8 seems towny.

I totally dont agree with this.
Also I assume NMM8 didnt actually pm that much so rayn's analysis may not be that accurate.


You don't agree with giving someone a chance when getting replaced into 80 pages?
Yeah he could definitely be scum, but if he is we'll find out. Why in such a rush to house kp him when we can just see what he does today/d3 and go from there.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 07:56 GMT
#2111
On August 12 2013 16:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 16:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 16:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 12 2013 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because at least he's showing up 1000 times saying he hasn't caught up yet.
Eventually he'll have to say he's caught up, right? Let's see what he does then.

Plus rayn said in his opening post that nmm8 seems towny.

I totally dont agree with this.
Also I assume NMM8 didnt actually pm that much so rayn's analysis may not be that accurate.


You don't agree with giving someone a chance when getting replaced into 80 pages?
Yeah he could definitely be scum, but if he is we'll find out. Why in such a rush to house kp him when we can just see what he does today/d3 and go from there.

not after like almost 2 pages.

I wanna kill him as fast as possible cause I know he is scum now. Why bother waiting?


You know he's scum the same way you knew yamato was town?
Yeah, I'll wait. Are you afraid he might actually contribute or something? If you know he's scum surely you'll see through his lies.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 08:08 GMT
#2116
On August 12 2013 17:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fucking vet shield.


As if I know anything about who's a vet and who's not.
I've given you decent reasons to not kill him with lord kp and your answer is "NO, FUCKING KILL HIM HES SCUM"
Cool story bro
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:06 GMT
#2142
On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:
On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?

Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim?


What exactly do you mean with "assumably"?

Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure.

I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.


I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it.
Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange

If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:22 GMT
#2149
On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:
On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?

Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim?


What exactly do you mean with "assumably"?

Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure.

I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.


I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it.
Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange

If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata.

What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming?


Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim?
You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side.

Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:28 GMT
#2154
On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:
On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?

Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim?


What exactly do you mean with "assumably"?

Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure.

I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.


I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it.
Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange

If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata.

What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming?


Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim?
You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side.

Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much.

That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim.
Unless i know the cake is a lie.


I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:32 GMT
#2160
On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:
On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?

Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim?


What exactly do you mean with "assumably"?

Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure.

I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.


I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it.
Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange

If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata.

What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming?


Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim?
You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side.

Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much.

That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim.
Unless i know the cake is a lie.


I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless.

Ehh.. Why is that?


Why, if I'm scum would I rather hope its a fakeclaim than fakeclaim jailkeeper cause I think I'll get lynched anyway?
Because we were planning on lynching a jailkeeper claims anyway, perhaps?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:34 GMT
#2161
Anyway oberyn is pretty damn town. onegu could still be scum, obviously. This changes nothing as scum would have gone along with it anyway. If onegu is scum then it also makes sense that scum roleblock didn't claim.

That said, there are other scenario's where he's town and things still make sense.

Nice effort by oberyn, sadly didn't help us. No reason to wifom over it any longer
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:42 GMT
#2168
Xata. In titanic when I claimed roleblock n1 he immediately called me scum
I think rayn is one of those people that believe the moonlanding didn't happen.
Don't worry about it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 13:21 GMT
#2192
Acro why do you say one of the two has to be scum in reply to me, and then you call it "pointless wifom" in the following post?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 13:35 GMT
#2202
On August 12 2013 22:27 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Acro why do you say one of the two has to be scum in reply to me, and then you call it "pointless wifom" in the following post?

I never say that. I suggest you reread the notules of what I said. In my reply to you I am explaining how I think you're wrong about Blackfyres having balls of steel and go through the possibilities.

I never reached any conclusions, because we actually need some confirmation about which situation we're in: SnB or Vivax can still be the cause for Xatalos getting locked in, and there's a pretty good chance they are Blackfyre scum (one, or both). Lord knows what their profession is, but it's possible one is a jailer.

What I absolutely DON'T think is that we can just conclude Oberyn and Onegu are loyal from this, because it seems farfetched that IF Xatalos was locked in by a Blackfyre and they did not know about the plot, I believe they 100% WOULD have claimed.


I disagree. Me and xata came to the conclusion that unless the jailkeeper claim came from someone already thought to be town, we would end up lynching him. The way oberyn refused to give the 2nd name made it plausible for it to be a fakeclaim.
I'd take the gamble as scum.

Anyway, if we go with your conclusion, then our lynchpool tomorrow would look like this:

snb
vivax
onegu
oberyn
+ whoever didn't post between the fakeclaim and the confession of said fakeclaim (surely its more people than just snb and vivax?)

That said, vivax spent a lot of time with me in pms n1 trying to convince me yamato is scum, so I think he's town.
Oberyn, if scum, has played an amazing scumgame. Look at my interaction with him d1. So I think he's town

That leaves onegu and snb, and I'm okay with that at this point, even if we came to the list with a conclusion I disagree with.

Refreshing before I post: jkirby and koshi didn't post in that window according to onegu. I don't really like a koshi lynch but jkirby is definitely and option too.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 13:36 GMT
#2204
Erm, I bolded the entire last paragraph but I disagree with excluding the possibility that scum was around but gambled on the fact that oberyn fakeclaimed.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 13:40 GMT
#2208
On August 12 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu why are you lying? Or Clarity?


\Because he's scum and he gains a lot by lying about this because surely no one would doublecheck him or have a better memory.
I just saw his post and assumed it was true. Doesn't change anything anyway I don't really wanna lynch koshi.
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