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On August 09 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
iamp why do you have a strong townread on Oats?
He entered the thread getting into a discussion with Yamato about why it is bad to release the names of the houses, which might be because he is town and he is concerned about it but aren't chances higher that he did it to stop scumhunting? Oats also asks stupid questions to everybody that tried to actually start scumhunting to draw them away from that. Sure it puts Oats in the spotlight but it also shits up the thread and it is hard for the other person that is discussing with Oats to not respond to these stupid questions.
Oats DID NOT PUT HIS THOUGHTS clearly in this thread. What kind of bullshit is that? He currently has 5 townreads. 3 members of his house because they are "nice and shit", DI because "he is agressive and shit" and Acro because his constructed posts are constructed.
I don't see why everybody thinks Oats is town.
You were in that last game oats played in with me, right? See a resemblance?
Also consider the pm stuff with me (he posted a really sloppy messy version of it, but it gets the point across)
Does he seem likely to do something like that as scum?
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On August 09 2013 22:44 kushm4sta wrote:
I just wanna say also my town style is to do nothing until late game because I dont like wading through all the early game spam. I like to wait until a bunch of people die because it makes it easier to find scum and the game more pleasurable to play. Right now it's pretty much a crap shoot.
omg people are gonna say dude why dont you play small games then?
I'm more likely to ask why do you play in games at all. That's postgame stuff though.
Could you get over your anxiety of information and read the thread and tell us anything that sticks out to you before the daycycle is over?
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On August 09 2013 22:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
iamp I agree with most of your post.
Vivax however... he told me early on he wouldn't be that active earlygame (it's why he didn't run)
Why not keep him around another day and see if he picks it up? As you say he's a pretty good player to have around if he's town
Gumshoe and Sharrant.... Sharrant just hasn't been around, has he pmed much?
Gumshoe however was super active in pregame and suddenly doesn't post nearly all of day1? or he didnt run because he is scum it didnt want to be in the spotlight i dont get the deal with gumshoe at all he seemed very interested in pms but totally mia
Yes, I'm not exclusing that possibility but I don't think he's a good lynch today.
From my memory you've almost religiously avoided talking about solstice, could you share your thoughts on him and his possible lynch please?
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On August 09 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:44 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
iamp why do you have a strong townread on Oats?
He entered the thread getting into a discussion with Yamato about why it is bad to release the names of the houses, which might be because he is town and he is concerned about it but aren't chances higher that he did it to stop scumhunting? Oats also asks stupid questions to everybody that tried to actually start scumhunting to draw them away from that. Sure it puts Oats in the spotlight but it also shits up the thread and it is hard for the other person that is discussing with Oats to not respond to these stupid questions.
Oats DID NOT PUT HIS THOUGHTS clearly in this thread. What kind of bullshit is that? He currently has 5 townreads. 3 members of his house because they are "nice and shit", DI because "he is agressive and shit" and Acro because his constructed posts are constructed.
I don't see why everybody thinks Oats is town. You were in that last game oats played in with me, right? See a resemblance? Also consider the pm stuff with me (he posted a really sloppy messy version of it, but it gets the point across) Does he seem likely to do something like that as scum? No I don't see a resembles. Last game he pushed his scumread JAT on day 1. Pushed FT till he saw a townslip and then pushed JAT for the rest of the day. This day he gave 5 townreads? Why are you defending Oats 24/7? Saying things like "I understand why Oats wants to kill Koshi after last game". I have not trolled in this game and I tried to enter this game with reads and serious play.
He's my Stark bro, bro. But you're right I should let him speak for himself.
I'm aware you have not trolled today, and I kind of understand why you didn't do much the first half of day 1, since you were under pressure from DL, but what are you gonna do for us today Koshi?
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On August 09 2013 23:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:00 Vivax wrote:On August 09 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote:On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. I am not angry at Oats, he is however trying really hard to do so. Why are the first 2 not relevant? Oats is actually capable to make cases, so him just commenting on his townreads like that is bad play or scumplay. Why would he call me scum if I am right about him shitting up the thread? Doesn't he see that he is doing it? Instead he keeps doing these things like asking me questions that are so wrong that I just have to respond to them. What's the difference between a lurker/inactive and Oats at this point? Do you want to lynch Oats cause he's a lurker? What do you think of his exchange with yammo? I want to lynch Oats because he is clearly not playing like he should/can play. I don't understand why he is considered town in this game while he is at best a lurker. Yamato was right, Oats was wrong. Yamato had to endure Oats his terrible questions just like me. But Yamato is fitting the same profile as Oats at this point, however, people think Oats is town and Yamato is scum. Why is that? They interacted with each other in the first 6 hours of this game and then disappeared. But I don't want to live in the past alone. I want to add that in my eyes s0lstice is town and I do not see a reason why he is scum except for not picking DI. The only small thing that is strange is that he ran so convincingly for Lord and is now being pretty afk. DI seems to be town as well. I was not aware of his town meta and I thought that DI trolling meant DI=scum. Him wanting to be Lord to kill Kush = Trolling. I don't have scumreads yet on any of the big posters in this game and killing of people that don't participate in the game is probably a good idea. Clarity is a bit on my radar but that is based on associations and being a vassal of iamp but that's it.
I have no idea what the bolded means.
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On August 10 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you posting that more than 48 hours until we have to vote Oberyn?
Seems like useless fluff to me.
Pretty sure we vote for lord during n1, OP states every night.
Btw the OP also states lords are lords for the following day AND nightcycle. Who was it that said lords cant pm eachother during the night?
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Dandel what's the difference between a jkirby lynch and a lurker lynch at this point?
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On August 10 2013 04:44 Risen wrote:
Just to note, oats was at the top of my scum list earlier. You're far from the only one. Clarity has become even more scummy to me as he has posted more.
Would you like to expand upon this?
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On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.
Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.
I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.
##vote jrkirby
I still don't really understand. He came into the thread late and talked about setup, classic newbie mistake for either alignment.
What are the other points against him? How is this different from a lurker lynch?
Also, is anyone other than rayn willing to lynch Onegu right now?
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On August 10 2013 06:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.
Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.
I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.
##vote jrkirby
I still don't really understand. He came into the thread late and talked about setup, classic newbie mistake for either alignment. What are the other points against him? How is this different from a lurker lynch? Also, is anyone other than rayn willing to lynch Onegu right now? He's a lurker who has contributed NOTHING, nor given any intention of contributing anything. Why do you think he's a loyalist? Who would you prefer we kill today? My horse is ready. Adieu!
Did I say he's a loyalist? He's basically a lurker lynch. Didn't we all agree we have KP for that?
It's a policy lynch, coinflip. What information do we gain if he flips town?
I like an onegu lynch.
Risen are you ever going to explain your scumread on me? Apparantly I'm your main lynch candidate.
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Risen I'm getting kinda tired of asking you to actually explain why you want to lynch me.
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On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote:
Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too.
Could you explain this please?
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On August 10 2013 06:58 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:54 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote:
Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too. Could you explain this please? The first PM I got from onegu was that we should elect oberyn because he was experienced. I PM'd Oberyn a bunch before deciding to elect oberyn, but the campaign kinda started with onegu. Without the association though, this isn't inherently scummy in my opinion.
Why can't one be town and the other be scum.
Surely a townie can advocate electing scum? It's even possible for insecure scum to immediately elect a townie.
You said if one is scum so is the other, why?
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Hey guys I was roleblocked. Catching up now.
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Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms?
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Also this:
On August 11 2013 14:08 Chromatically wrote:
And how did Risen get elected?
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My conclusion might be wrong btw. If one of the lords is scum and was aware of the plan... But it makes more sense if the leak is from house lannister because they knew exactly how much hp gumshoe had left.
Surely scum would just let town kill a lurker town if they weren't sure how much kp they'd have to use.
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On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had.
What the fuck. You actually believe this?
Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning.
You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!?
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On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me.
Because he died in the nightpost. Unless you think a townrole vigi'd gumshoe after being aware that the lords were going to kp gumshoe? If I were a townrole with kp I'd ask my lord who they were gonna kp. If I were a lord AND a blue with kp I wouldn't waste my role on killing the guy who just took 6 houses (this is an assumption) worth of kp.
I agree that iamp and xata have looked town, but please explain a scenario where all of you are town.
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