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On August 08 2013 23:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 08 2013 23:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 08 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.
I dont understand this part. Im not trying to convince you that specific people are town. How can mafian's be found out if I claim the people in my house and the fact that I think they are all town? I dont understand this Ryan. Because we canthen talk about your interaction with them, which will lead to: 1) Other opinions of if you all are town or not. 2) If we come to conclusion you are most likely all town, we have by process of elimination eliminated 4 suspects -> much higher chance of scum being elsewhere. Now you saying "they´re all town" leads us nowhere. Not in finding mafia and not in proving anyone´s innocence. So you wanna discuss townreads because? Also, let me deal with my townreads being called scum. They arent at the moment so I dont see why we need to waste our time. I don´t think this is the right way to think about it. The game does not work in the way that i say "X is town" and when people ask me "why" i say "i don´t wanna discuss my townreads" and everyone should take me at face value. But you are right, the discussion is going nowhere as we cleraly have different opinion here. Oats who´s scum? What do you think about what i wrote on Onegu? Dude, you arent thinking the right way about it. Im saying that 3 our of our list in the game is town. Thats it. That shouldnt do anything to help you or hurt you from finding scum. I think koshi and Johnnywup top candidates for reasons already expressed by both dandel and myself. Yeah Onegu really needs to explain that bit. First giving out info is bad, then townread.
you never mentioned me as a candidate before this post...wtf?
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i don't have any extra information and its the first thing that came to mind for a 3p wincon in a themed setup like this. robert barath trying to kill targs is like pretty big in lore so it came to mind pretty quickly. I posted the exact same thought in a PM to my housemates and none seemed to think it was scummy.
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so you think im scum because its possible I MAY have slipped out information that I MAY have?
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you're the one with 3 votes on you. if we have thoughts that are mutually exclusive to alignment, it would like I was more townie, no? I do not think the thoughts are mutually exclusive to alignment, by the way.
And what thoughts are you talking about exactly? Just the speculating on a possible 3p wincon? Because if that's it then you're not saying anything.
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i dunno what you mean in the 2nd half of that sentence but i wasnt worried whether or not they thought it was scummy, i'm just pointing out he's like the only one that's responded to that that thinks its scummy
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sharrant said that he liked that I was considering the possibility of roles that go after specific houses. no one said whether or not they thought that it was true or false.
if anyone thinks its right or wrong then they have additional information. i was just considering the possibility. even i never really thought it was completely true, i was just considering it for the sake of argument that we don't want to give any information away to scum that they didn't already have.
i don't like being accused of being scum loll
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I never really thought it was true in the first place, though. I told you, I was just using it for arguments sake. I didn't want to reveal who is in what house and here is another possibility of a way it might hurt us. Of course, at that point I hadn't considered that mafia probably already know all the houses members and that makes my argument moot. So of course I dropped it.
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Let's consolidate all house members into a list so it's more easily accessible to everyone.
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
??
House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
??
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu
which house is Vivax/Gumshoe in?
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ok bookmark this post if you want
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax
House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu
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Acro, I'm confused. What are you talking about? Keep in mind the rest of the thread can't read the PMs between you two.
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I see a lot of crap shooting but I don't see how Acro comes out scummy from this.
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On August 09 2013 14:02 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 14:01 s0Lstice wrote:
Firm, why are you drawing attention to that post if it presumably does not make Acro scummy to you? Does it make him look town? You will see in a moment. Can you look over the post for me and see if you see anything that stands out to you?
if you have something to say, say it
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no, other people think your scum so if our thoughts are mutually exclusive to alignment (which I was saying they are not, and you seemed to be saying) my thoughts would be more likely townie because everyone seemed to think you were scum. it was probably a pretty weak argument though since what people think doesn't really matter. I was thinking of deleting it before I posted that tbh
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he said it was scummy that I had that thought and I said that others saw it and some thought the exact opposite. Maybe that doesn't even really matter but I thought it was worth pointing out.
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I dunno, I just thought it was. Does that bother you?
It's scummy to think there's a 3p?
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it's hardly a defense i'm sure you'll agree. i didn't really intend for it to be a defense. I was just pointing out a contrast. Do you think I'm scum?
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On August 10 2013 00:44 Acrofales wrote:
Here's what I told Lord Martell in my most recent raven:
At Highgarden, I received two ravens from Ser Sharrant, but he seemed responsive and they had interesting content. He seemed to be participating in the game, thinking about things and even trying to uncover other kinsmen's loyalties. He was also exchanging missives with another vassal, Ser Wup, as well.
Since moving to King's Landing I have sent him a number of ravens urging him to participate in the public debate, as well as asking for his opinion regarding my vote and what to do with the House's powers. Initially he replied. That was when we were talking about the magic that we control. Since then, he has been silent. Ser Wup has also not heard from him since the start of the day. I fear his keep may have been overrun by Greyjoy longships, or perhaps he has joined the pretenders himself.
The most interesting thing he sent to me was a brief message stating he had conclusive evidence that kushm4sta is a loyalist. However, he never sent the evidence.
i believe you're mistaking me for sharrant
i literally just woke up since i stayed up super late to watch the OGN LoL tournament and now I'm catching up. so that's why I've been out of thread and didn't reply to your PM earlier acro. i needa wake up at an earlier time so I don't have to read up on 20 pages every time I wake up.
also firmtofu looks nothing like he did in NWM and he was town in NWM. literally black and white difference. wouldn't be surprised if he flipped scum.
ok gotta catch up @_@
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ok im gonna reply to stuff directed at me as I'm going through the thread but literally lol rayn you can't be serious
On August 10 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnnywup - There are two things why i think johnnywup is mafia. The first one is his overly defensive stance on his 3p thing. When being questioned about that in thread, his first comment is "other people did not find that scummy". That´s really going overboard if you are town, why would you be more interested to tell people that other people did not find you scummy rather than if they thought you were right or wrong and how did you end up in the conclusion? Another thing that stands out is johnnywup´s house member list. In itself list posts are bad, but this is worse. He hasn´t even put a single bit off thought into the lise (notice him not realizing in which house Vivax/Gumshoe are). Scummy as fuck.
I'm defensive. Especially day 1. You should know that from NWM. Literally every single game I've played of mafia I've been accused of being mafia day 1. It's just what I'm used to at this point so of course I'm defensive. I care what people think about me because, well, I don't want to be lynched? That should be obvious.
2nd part is literally lol. It took a bit of effort trying to consolidate that. I had to look through almost everyones filter and try and find connections. When it was all done I couldn't find any connection for Gumshoe and Vivax. Go through everyones filter yourself and try and find what house they're in before the time that I posted that list. I literally couldn't find it. It was difficult putting together that list. And you say list posts are bad, yet people were literally asking for one because they wanted to know who's in what house at a glance. So I put one together.
How do either of those things point towards me being mafia, at all?
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thats not what i said 
and i never said its a meaningful contribution but making a list and not knowing which house two people are in doesn't make me look mafia
i'm not saying i'm contributing from that post but someone asked for a list and I wanted it put into a post for convenience sake so i made it. it's just something i thought would be nice and people could refer back to if they needed. i don't understand how that makes me look like mafia?
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