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s0lstice.. clarity had some queries for you, aroound page 132 I think.
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Fark.... s0lstice.. clarity had some queries for you, aroound page 132 I think. | ||
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One of the points is out of date, but you get that (i.e S0lstice). =================== Good to see much activity overnight. Firstly, I am still waiting for S0lstice to get back into the thread. He seems to have been forgotten about. Secondly, There were some outstanding questions addressed to me: Koshi: If you replace into a game and you have read 130 pages, read all filters and spent a lot of time making a giant list with your current reads in the game. How big is the chance that you have read your predecessor his filter/posts as well? Short answer is no. In the past 4 months, I have only replaced into mafia games - about 4 or 5 now. Each game I I have never cared what my predecessor did. I have my role PM and my own thoughts. The only times I read predecessor posts is if I am a lynch candidate, and the cases against me quote predecessor posts. Rayn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19509194 The games I have played with Sharrant (two); He was unamiously mislynched. This game is quickly heading towards a 3rd. Aside from that, there is not much to respond to. The main objective of this case is to say "I don't like why he did/said that". It does not detail how or why anything I am doing is pushing a scum objective. Overall: I think this case exemplifies why Rayn is scum. Typically a tunneled townie will use flawed logic to state why someone is scum. Here, Rayn doesnt use any logic to state why I am scum. He is essentially trying to throw dirt over my name by picking out things that stick out to him; without actually processing how that enables me to push a scum objective. Acrofales summed it up perfectly in his case against Rayn. By not being lord; it enables Rayn to be loud in the thread, but have no responsibility. Essentially he can "pretend to contribute". This case is a prime example of that. Thirdly, That Oats was killed with iamp/Oberyn suggests that Oats was shot Night1. This has concerned me since the Day post; as I don't think it was clear to anyone in the thread that Oats was a medic. Day 1 Lords: SnB, Day 2 Lords: Oats, Day 3 Lords: Clarity, Xatalos, S0lstice, Onegu, Risen, Sharrant iamp/Oberyn make sense: they were driving forces in PM land and many viewed them town. Acrofales makes sense: many have speculated over his alignment, so is safe to not NK. Therefore, where I get confused is... why Oatsmaster over SnB, rayn, Chromatically? (if targeting lords,and assuming all are town) Chromatically, apparently has been a driving force in PM land. Rayn, has had thread presence and many respect his town play. SnB had done nothing in the thread or PM land; so at the least, Rayn was a better kill. Yes, Oats was pretty clearly town; but that doesnt make him an important night kill. Heck, the guy gave yamato a town read for their argument, so its not like he was threatening the scum team. And yes, even though Oats was incoming Lord; surely, Chromatically would have been a better kill if driving things in PM land? To me, the only thing that makes sense is that Oats either blue slipped to someone in House Stark or there is scum between (Chromatically, Rayn, SnB) and they decided somehow Oats was more valuable. ====== Now if Oats blueslipped, I would like to think with his openness in calling his house town, that he would have blueslipped to all three members (Clarity/Vivax/SnB). Clarity has not suggested he was aware of Oats=medic; so I can put this to rest. That leaves at least one scum in Chromatically, Rayn, SnB. Chromatically: Many have town reads on him. Also his most recent case does in fact show signs of him being active and inquisitive in PM land, aligning with what others have said. I am willing to drop him as a scum read for the time being. SnB: I still think is unlikely to be scum. Hes appears to be flexible with his reads as people present new information, and the frustration of being called mafia is reading to me as genuine. Rayn on the other hand makes a lot of sense as scum, as poined out previously. I can't see a town Rayn relinquishing lord power to an unknown factor like Risen. His reasoning that "he did not want to cause a house shitfight" doesn't cut the mustard. Based on Day1, Risen was an unknown and unpredictable factor; and if Rayn cared so much about the game. He would want to remain as lord, to ensure his house vote goes on the correct person. Lords, Raynpelikoneet of House GreyJoy is who needs to be lynched this cycle | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19508952 @Vivax I haven't forgotten about this. | ||
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On August 15 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote: QUERIES here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen. ??? If risen didn't object to rayn. Rayn as town surely would want wanted to remain town. Anyhow I don't get this no lord stuff being perpetuated. I just double checked up..voting mechanic is majority wins. In case of tie it's rng. As long as a house has members. There shall be a lord... | ||
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But. The other point still stands... If risen had no objection to rayn... Why relinquish? Plus. Your posting night 2 Rayn relinquished after night 1... So without checking night post was still tie breaker majority | ||
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There's still the discrepancy risen had no qualm with rayn as lord | ||
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On August 15 2013 12:14 Chromatically wrote: That is pretty confusing, the rng rule in the OP is only for when the lord dies. Mocsta, I would like to hear your other reasons for rayn being scum when you have time. Acro summed it up perfectly. It was my thoughts exactly. Rayn response was to say.. fuck u No attempt to constructively break it down. The case raynmade on me is an example of someone reading a filter to find dirt. As opposed to someone trying to understand a scum mindset. Rayn makes no attempt to use logic to explain my actions.. I'm not sure what else is needed? | ||
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On August 15 2013 12:20 Risen wrote: I don't understand. I've been telling rayn since after the first night I didn't trust him and wanted to be lord. Well that aligns with what rayn said But above someone said. U were ok with him Regardless u are one vote of 4 And didn't have a good cred in the thread I see no reason for rayn to relinquish so easily It's not like oberyn was fighting him to be lord | ||
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Ft was lynched. And ace just replaced in. I think it's hard to give town cred off it though. Because. Regardless of alignment. Rayn has to run for lord. If u didn't want him to be lord. Then he should have tried to prove his alignment to u instead of relinquish. Regardless whilst a lord is better fir town than no lord. From a scum perspective being no lord is better than being a lord.. so for scum it's a win win situation to relinquish based on the grounds of I don't want to upset the apple cart. And u might have had good house cred but being a lord is more than that. It's about securing your lynch and getting the other lords to agree. That takes thread cred in addition to an internal town read. My 2c | ||
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No acro. What a weird question. Do u object to what I posted in the thread? | ||
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On August 15 2013 13:11 Acrofales wrote: I have no clue what you have posted in the thread since you woke up. I just wanted to gauge your response. You seem timid. Well. It's a dumb question Anyone would answer no But u showed signs of intelligence with the rayn case so it was unexpected to be asked something so useless from u. Now. Yes we are same timezone. Let us use this to our best advantage. ??johnny?? said sharrant had an awesome case on koshi. Have u sighted this? | ||
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Sober up or stop posting. | ||
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On August 15 2013 15:14 Xatalos wrote: As a sidenote. You wanted to smack me in the face? Keep in mind that I've practiced karate for some time now  You'd be in for a surprise.Where is Mocsta? Don't leave us hanging please. You have so much to prove and so much to lose by not doing that. I'm busy and at work. What I have to say is in my filter If u don't like it. Feel free to ask something that leads to a productive outcome. | ||
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On August 15 2013 15:37 Xatalos wrote: What's your stance on rayn at the moment? Risen said that he opposed rayn being Lord and rayn wanted to see what Risen would do as Lord. Why not allow him? Scumreads besides rayn? I don't understand how u can ask me this. If u have read my filter. My position on rayn is clear. As for the lord stuff. That's all weak tells and looking for cheap ways to categorize someone as town or scum Ultimately the house is two ppl and it is advantageous for a scum rayn to not be lord. As it is advantageous for a scum anyone to not be lord | ||
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First read through was glazing to understand events in the game I still don't like koshi at all. And him and rayn seem to love to tag team. See oats for that | ||
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Snb Grackeroni Koshi Vivax Rayn I'm back to 50/50. I think my issue with him is we are treating the same tells 100% opposite. But he's standing up for his belief, as am I. That's indicative of town. So will give him a beeather. Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter. I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle. Koshi still sticks out to me. The really poor logic throughout the game. Not wanting to run for lord and then changing mind when an opportunity came through. He has also shown an inflexible mindset. I'm happy with his lynch too. Grackeroni. I can't pinpoint it off my first skim but.. he's blending it. He shows enough understanding of the thread so is keeping up. But I don't like the moments he chooses to come into the thread. He's not really driving anything so the contributions I feel are fake. Plus u have the whole gumshoe 1hp leak thing. He made a defense of it which was handled well I admit. But too slick compared to his other posts. Smells very funny to me. Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro. In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax. I can live with snb though. | ||
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Just saw ya post. Walk me through why vivax read town to u day 1 | ||
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I can say with confidence he's not matching that meta.but I didn't accuse him of being 3p either. For me. The sole point of koshi that is townie is that he has the balls to shit up the thread... But really all his justifications are so bad Like he refers to past games but then doesn't bridge why it's relevant to this game Personally I think he's scum cos he plays the way I would as scum i.e inflate small things and make a hoohaa | ||
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He doesn't pressure. He inquires Barely says if something is scummy | ||
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