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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 22 2013 09:47 GMT
#4621
Lol.

Mocsta... NEVER PLAY MAFIA AGAIN UMGG

Nah, if he's sitting out A game that's fine. Permanent ban is if you consistently call someone's mother a whore, then post porn in the thread and then stream a live execution of your dog on the internet..... and post your scumlist etc.
Players shouldn't be impartial at all to stuff like this though, mocsta, but koshi needs to put down the pitchfork.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 22 2013 09:56 GMT
#4622
No pitchfork here. Just my opinion. I drop it. Completely.
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 22 2013 09:58 GMT
#4623
I understand it's your opinion I'm trying to point out why I believe it's excessive. You truly think mocsta deserves a permanent ban for getting himself modkilled? Like, maybe if it's his 5th offense of it or something.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 22 2013 10:02 GMT
#4624
yeah, it's a bit like the death penalty for stealing a bag of haribo
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 22 2013 10:06 GMT
#4625
I don't agree. Imagine I would post my role in the Titanic game and you lynch Stutters after that FT and Cora is demotivated and just surrenders.

Can I ruin 5 games like that before I get permabanned?

I don't want Mocsta banned atm. But it would be cool if the rules became very strict on this matter for the future. I don't see a problem if the OP said "if you get yourself modkilled by purposely breaking these rules you get permabanned." Then followed by a couple rules that should never get broken. Posting something on purpose the get yourself modkilled is one of those rules.
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
August 22 2013 10:09 GMT
#4626
Koshi. Again . Impartiality is a lesson learnt.

Did bot recently firm tofu have an incident where a scum conceded to a similar scenario you described. No ban eventuated.

As stated I'm sitting out a game. Lets move on please.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 22 2013 10:09 GMT
#4627
You're forgetting that mafia can get extremely heated, so people do things they wouldn't do otherwise. There's literally no need to change how things are right now.

Yeah it sucks and I'm sure Mocsta feels bad, but in the end it's simply not the end of the world by any stretch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 22 2013 10:21 GMT
#4628
Ok.
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 10:22:31
August 22 2013 10:22 GMT
#4629
On August 22 2013 19:06 Koshi wrote:
I don't agree. Imagine I would post my role in the Titanic game and you lynch Stutters after that FT and Cora is demotivated and just surrenders.

Can I ruin 5 games like that before I get permabanned?

I don't want Mocsta banned atm. But it would be cool if the rules became very strict on this matter for the future. I don't see a problem if the OP said "if you get yourself modkilled by purposely breaking these rules you get permabanned." Then followed by a couple rules that should never get broken. Posting something on purpose the get yourself modkilled is one of those rules.


I mean, if you show intent of ruining every game you are entering then yeah, I reckon it would happen a bit sooner.
Do you believe mocsta replaced in this game with the intent of ruining it? Or did it just happen cause things got heated.

edit: ninjad
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 22 2013 10:23 GMT
#4630
Isnt this the second time mocsta did something like this?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 22 2013 10:25 GMT
#4631
I don't think so. That was me :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 22 2013 10:26 GMT
#4632
nah, he ragequit in THE GAME too
No gg, No skill.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 22 2013 14:40 GMT
#4633
I don't think a one game ban is appropriate. This is abuse of the rules to help your team, and it's explicitly listed as one of the most serious ways that one can cheat in this game. I think the punishment for this needs to be more serious than the punishment for getting modkilled for missing a vote or ragequitting in a normal way.

Like, this wasn't just a modkill or ragequit, it was an attempt to influence the game with a forced modkill.

I think a three-game ban is more appropriate than a one-game. This should include the one that mocsta already has decided not to participate in, so two more games.

But some rules are much more serious than others, and those rules need to be enforced more strongly than everyday infractions.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 22 2013 14:42 GMT
#4634
Permaban is obviously too extreme. Maybe a two-game ban rather than three.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 22 2013 14:52 GMT
#4635
help your team?

I'll remind you that his modkill made the votes from town 3-2 scum to 2-2, essentially fucking any chance to ever lynch scum.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 22 2013 14:55 GMT
#4636
On August 22 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
help your team?

I'll remind you that his modkill made the votes from town 3-2 scum to 2-2, essentially fucking any chance to ever lynch scum.


This was my impression as well. Pretty much the least timely modkill for town imaginable, wasn't it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 14:59:51
August 22 2013 14:56 GMT
#4637
On August 22 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
help your team?

I'll remind you that his modkill made the votes from town 3-2 scum to 2-2, essentially fucking any chance to ever lynch scum.


Yep, but the intention was there, which is what matters in these situations.

edit: let me clarify I guess. Mocsta was almost certainly either going to be lynched or shot. He was aware of this and from my perspective (although mocsta has not said this as far as I'm aware) he got himself modkilled because he thought it might benefit town. Yes, it turns out it removed town's majority in votes that cycle but mocsta did not know this at the time, I assume he thought he was making it possible for town to lynch/shoot scum instead of him.
That's not to say I agree that he needs more than a 1 game ban, not sure what I think about this yet, but it's worth discussing

I realize you were just co-hosting marv, but could you explain why the hosts have not really commented on this situation yet?
Or if any other hosts are around, ofcourse.

On August 22 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would really like if GoT hosts brought up the Mocsta issue here. Purposely getting yourself modkilled is ruining the game for everyone. At least that's how i feel. That's the worst thing you can do. Play against your wincon and ruin the game for people. I also remember myself getting a 5 game ban for the same thing. Why are different people treated differently in these kind of situations?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 22 2013 14:57 GMT
#4638
Yeah that's the worst part.

1) has to cheat to be useful in any way
2) fails even at cheating
3) game lost
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 22 2013 15:01 GMT
#4639
To be fair if we had somehow not lynched mocsta we woulda lynched johnny and still lost.
Can't really blame the loss on mocsta, can blame him for breaking the rules, though.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 22 2013 15:02 GMT
#4640
As I didn't deal with it, Clarity, I'd rather leave it to thrawn. Not sure where he's got to.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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