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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:01 GMT
#3884
On August 17 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?


Also this.

Mafia more than town.


How is he confirmed if there is(?) a slight difference?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:06 GMT
#3889
On August 17 2013 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:01 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.


What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night?


Also this.

Mafia more than town.


How is he confirmed if there is(?) a slight difference?

Well that's what i think. You are allowed to think otherwise. Also what Clarity said about him makes it likely they are both town, but that's kinda cheating. But nvm. That's what i think.

I also personally think everyone that does not follow the rules should be modkilled. Apparently half of the playerbase is incapable of understanding what "no posting during night phases mean".


If Clarity is town, how is Onegu clearly scum...?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:08 GMT
#3892
On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.


Why?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:10 GMT
#3894
On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.


What do you think of my earlier reasoning:

Actually, the more I think about it...... I might not want to lynch into Sharrant/Mocsta today.
1) Scum can't roleblock anymore (extremely likely) so scum WILL kill Sharrant before long if he's town (since he apparently has unlimited checks)
2) If Sharrant flips town, then Mocsta is most likely scum
3) If Sharrant never dies, then Mocsta is most likely town and Sharrant scum
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:11 GMT
#3895
On August 17 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Mistakes happen, it didn't harm anything. People who are host wifoming that scum is less likely to get modkilled for it are dumb.

Yes i understand SnB and Ace made a mistake, it's pretty clear whatever SnB's alignment is.
I was referring to other ~5 people who clearly did not make a mistake.


We didn't really post though. Just etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:13 GMT
#3897
On August 17 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos, Why do you want to get the possible cop killed?


?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:24 GMT
#3904
On August 17 2013 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:10 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.


What do you think of my earlier reasoning:

Actually, the more I think about it...... I might not want to lynch into Sharrant/Mocsta today.
1) Scum can't roleblock anymore (extremely likely) so scum WILL kill Sharrant before long if he's town (since he apparently has unlimited checks)
2) If Sharrant flips town, then Mocsta is most likely scum
3) If Sharrant never dies, then Mocsta is most likely town and Sharrant scum


So what happens if Sharrant lives past the night and claims roleblocked?
What happens if Sharrant and someone else claims roleblocked?
What happens if Sharrant lives and gives another red check?
What happens if Sharrant lives and gives a green check?


1) If he's the only one... well... it seems impossible (since why would scum RB grackaroni? and why would scum even have 2 roleblockers?). But it doesn't really change the main point. Scum will have to kill him sooner rather than later. If he's alive at LYLO, he's most likely scum.
2) Then we lynch one of them, since one is lying quaranteed.
3) Then it's a very good situation, although unlikely (scum should want him dead ASAP).
4) Also good, although not very likely.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:27 GMT
#3907
On August 17 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
worst case scenario 1-1 trade, you are willing to "wait for 2 more nights".!!
and lynch townies in process.
wtf?


Oh yeah the HP check is kind of useless. Although he might be just covering himself with that. In any case scum should want him dead ASAP. If not.... It's not hard to think of why.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:29 GMT
#3909
On August 17 2013 22:26 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn.

No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying.


Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong.

Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?"
You answered: "yes, he is"

Problem is then you made up weird reasons

Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu.


But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally.......

Jesus. This thread has gone to shit... and by the looks of it Rayn is the reason. Why are people even engaging him? He's scum.

So is SnB, and so is Mocsta. Their coup failed, because they planned to kill Clarity, but failed: SnB didn't become lord, and town controls 3 votes.

I don't give a shit in which order we kill them.


You should. It's in no way quaranteed that they are all scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:35 GMT
#3912
Actually I agree that Mocsta shouldn't be lynched in any case. He's already half-dead so he should be shot if anything.

So the real lynch options are: rayn, snb.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:49 GMT
#3917
On August 17 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:35 Xatalos wrote:
Actually I agree that Mocsta shouldn't be lynched in any case. He's already half-dead so he should be shot if anything.

So the real lynch options are: rayn, snb.

How do you know how many hitpoints Mocsta has?


PM secrets.

Actually this would be fine with me:

Lynch snb
Finish 1) Mocsta 2) johnnywup (both partly dead)

Deal with rayn depending on flips.

Any disagreements?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:51 GMT
#3919
On August 17 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There seems to be a big amount of information Clarity and Xatalos know that others don't..


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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 13:59 GMT
#3924
On August 17 2013 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would mafia sacrifice roleblocker over like... any role?
Why not let SnB get lynched and lynch Vivax instead?


I think Godfather and Framer are pretty equally good. And a Goon (yamato) was already killed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 14:00 GMT
#3925
On August 17 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you genuinely think we had 2 scum wagons yesterday and nobody tried to push a townie lynch?


Vivax and Risen were pushing Sharrant. Some people pushed Mocsta. It's not like they were the ONLY options yesterday.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 14:02 GMT
#3928
On August 17 2013 23:00 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 17 2013 22:41 Acrofales wrote:
On August 17 2013 22:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
the order should be snb -> shoot mocsta

Let me think on this. Why is Rayn not in your list?

Also, how is Mocsta below full HP? I don't know of any lords shooting him?

N1, all lords allegedly shot gumshoe. If someone didn't, they didn't claim.
N2, no shots went to Mocsta insofar as I know.
N3, only Sharrant claimed to shoot someone other than Kush/jwup and he shot Koshi.

So who shot jrkirby/Mocsta?


Need to know information, but both me and xata know.
It wasn't really rayn shitting up the thread as much as it was me.

Wait... if he's below 7 and not shot by a lord (gone back an checked, and I think all Lord KP is accounted for without shooting Mocsta). That leaves scum KP?

I guess there's a chance at a vigi, but why are you assuming the presence of a vigi?

##unvote until this makes sense.


Need to know. You don't need to know.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 14:03 GMT
#3932
On August 17 2013 22:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
Gonna be a hypocrit, once.
[image loading]
Xata + Clarity cute seals.


Xata + Clarity Navy Seals

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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 14:05 GMT
#3933
On August 17 2013 23:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you genuinely think we had 2 scum wagons yesterday and nobody tried to push a townie lynch?


Hmm. Well, some people tried pushing sharrant, some people tried pushing mocsta. But town's been rolling pretty good, I don't think scum has much of a voice in this game.

Like, xata kinda said in thread what I said about him to solstice. "I get to the point where I'm so confident that someone is town that I start second guessing myself, at that point I just say "well fuck it, if he's scum he deserves to win" and I've never had someone that I've said that about flip scum.

Anyway I agree we shouldn't lynch snb today.


100% truth. That's never happened to me either (so far at least).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 14:06 GMT
#3936
On August 17 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There seems to be a big amount of information Clarity and Xatalos know that others don't..

i have it lel

kool kids klub
no unkool kids welcome


You know about you know what too...?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 14:08 GMT
#3939
rayn, who do you propose outside of snb/Mocsta/johnnywup? Mocsta and johnnywup are half-dead so no point in lynching them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 17 2013 14:09 GMT
#3941
On August 17 2013 23:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 23:06 Xatalos wrote:
On August 17 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 17 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There seems to be a big amount of information Clarity and Xatalos know that others don't..

i have it lel

kool kids klub
no unkool kids welcome


You know about you know what too...?

i know many things


Now I wish I was Lord again... But I take it you know.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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