EPTCould you point out the scum motivation snb?
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Could you point out the scum motivation snb? | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote: What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:27 Chromatically wrote: Why wouldn't scum act upset and try to get you lynched for this? If it happened in thread they might. But I think that the people pushing others n0 are likely town so far. | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote: If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:36 Chromatically wrote: ^ Isn't this what SnB did? Out you in thread and push you for it? No I mean, if I ruined someones plan in thread they might, if they're scum. But since it's in pms during n0 I find it impossible to come from scum that he became suspicious of me in pms. I think whatever "experiment" he would have had as scum, he wouldn't be too bothered if I did what I did since he's not invested in his experiment. If he's town he'd be more upset. Does that make more sense? | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:40 strongandbig wrote: so clarity's "reaction test" is possible, but unlikely, since it should have been obvious that scum would easily be able to fake anger. one of the bigger problems for me is why he didn't try to find anything out about what my "plan" was before he intentionally ruined it. Also why he first said it was just because he was curious about what the other person would think, and then later said he did it on purpose to test my reaction. Because your reaction was ongoing. Do you believe I'm scum? If so, and I've asked this before, please explain how what I've done so far is scum motivated. | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake. Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction. | ||
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I don't get how snb's conclusion is that I'm scum. Like, did I, as scum, understand you were only telling me and then decided to lie to REDACTED (lol), telling him you were telling everyone? How does that help me as scum? Obviously it'll come back to you and I'll get called out for lying. | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:57 Risen wrote: Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads. PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die. Is Onegu one of them? That'd be pretty cool. | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:04 Xatalos wrote: By the way Clarity, you never responded to my response to your question (about the House member lists)? snb, what makes Clarity scum from that PM event? What was the Mafia agenda? I can understand losing your trust in him, but it's not the same as being scum. Actually why would a scum want to lose your trust for no reason? Well I agreed with your answer, actually. | ||
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So..... let's move on, yes? A couple of people here can tell you that when I'm town I tend to shine green and when I'm scum I tend to... not shine so green. Onegu you promised to post your thoughts on everything. On August 09 2013 01:04 Onegu wrote: Sorry wifes birthday just back home and processing everything now will post thoughts on everything. First on house baratheon. Koshi looks the worst at first why put himself up after saying he didnt want to be lord, also why not vote for sol, just because DI says he is scum? We also need to hear from sol, why vote a null read over a town read. Did you cover everything you wanted in the same post? | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: SnB, Clarity and REDACTED: Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town? You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that? I'm sure REDACTED will be here at some point and if I'm in danger of being lynched he'll probably share it. Assume he didn't have a read on me, would you want to lynch me? | ||
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I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen. FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. if you were leaning scum on him why tell your house to elect him? Was there no way to elect one of the other two? | ||
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On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord. I understand that not electing someone is terrible. My issue is that if you had a scumread on FT, why not try to convince one of the others to run? Surely you'd try to find a way to not elect your scumread? | ||
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On August 09 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you sure Clarity believed your claim? Because he said he didn´t. If he didn´t, all this proves nothing whatever his alignment is. I agree with this. Oats disagrees and I'm okay with that. Then again, if I'm scum and he tells me that, I would probably not give him a rolename and just tell him he's full of it. Just in case. It's not the most absurd role I've ever heard of. (although it comes close) | ||
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On August 09 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information. I'd like to distinguish between saying they don't want to be lord, and them not running for lord. Are you telling me 2/4 in your house did not WANT to be lord? | ||
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On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid. As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone. | ||
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On August 09 2013 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you really thought that, then what was the point you telling his rolename to Oats in the first place? Oh my god we're going in circles. I wanted to see what oats thought and I wanted to see how snb would react. Guys please, get over it or something. | ||
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