|
On August 11 2013 23:47 Oberyn wrote:
It's worth noting that I told iamp I thought FT should be shot and asked if they'd consider a yamato lynched. He was not open to consideration.
I then PM'd iamp stating that I want yamato moved up to the priority night kill. He disagreed and insisted that gumshoe and kush be shot first.
I asked Acro about his thoughts on night hits, including yamato's name and he said that he was too busy in PMs to reply. He completely dodged the question.
Chromatically put yamato last on his list of night shots behind gumshoe, kush, and johnnywup stating that yamato will likely be lynched today.
Things to check:
Was iamp's gumshoe/kush needs to be shot first stance consistent with his stance during the day? If not he was [i]possibly[i/] possibly just trying to avoid wasting KP on yamato. Sentiment seems to be that everyone wanted to hit gumshoe who was lurking. Other explanation is scum protecting a buddy but I don't see any reasons yet for this to hold.
Did chromatically know about yamato being checked when he told you he would likely be lynched the next day?
Acro not responding to your PMs isn't really strange since he might not trust you.
|
On August 12 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno what they have been talking with Risen, but him voting for me was weird.
I told him this when i saw his replacing:
"That being said: Vote for me as the house lord. Me + Risen are voting for him, we have no idea about your alignment. If Risen gets killed this phase, i am far better as a lord than you are, based on you replacing and me being active as fuck. Thanks. :D"
I then changed my vote onto myself, in case Risen was killed we would have no lord. Risen wanted to be the lord. I do not think he is mafia so i am okay with it. There is no reason to get into battle with your town reads, that would only hurt our cooperation. I don´t really care if he is the lord or if i am and honestly i expected me dying during night.
I don't see what was weird here? I didn't vote for you, I voted Risen because he wanted to be house lord. You told me that you would then vote for yourself just in case, remember?
RE: HP checks. I missed this convo but imo Town doesn't need to know the HP of anyone in the game. Scum does. Either Town should have voted to all burn HP checks asap so no one gets an accurate read later or deal with the fact Scum may get a lord that finds out later. Also I'm guessing when the HP check is used only the Lord is notified? So a Scum Lord can use it w/o anyone knowing unless trying to use it later, correct?
On August 12 2013 01:40 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was the point of outing the result of the HP check to everyone? What is scummy about it?
Because Scum need that info more than Town. That being said I think if any of the prior Lords are thought to be Scum, the next elected lord can just ask if the HP check was already used. If so chances are very high the previous Lord is Scum as they used it w/o sharing that information.
Chromatically votes for yamato.
waiting on rest of Lord votes and the other person to claim based on Oberyn claiming watcher.
On August 12 2013 02:35 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 16:33 Onegu wrote:
I see no reason not to claim since my ability is 1-shot anyways. I'm a medic that chose to protect Xatalos last night. Whoever was the other person must be the roleblocker While we wait for Mr X, I want to know more about this. With variable health, and different amounts of damage done by different swords, this simple claim doesn't make a lot of sense. Do you heal someone to full if he was hurt earlier? Do you protect someone from damage on one night? And yes, I want to know this in order to decide whether this claim is believable or not. The speed and casualness seems good, but now that I am looking into it, this seems like a very strange claim, given the particularities of our world.
Well there was also a 1 shot Alignment Cop claim too right? Not farfetched to think we could have a 1 shot medic too. Seems like we have very weak blue roles in this game unless there are multiples of them. I see Onegu claims later how it actually works, pretty much a normal medic.
On August 12 2013 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 02:38 Acrofales wrote:On August 12 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 02:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 02:16 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 02:08 iamperfection wrote:
Like what's the point to this rayne I don't get it? The point is i would expect some cooperation in houses. Your house doesn't seem to cooperate and i would like to know why? So the fact that I didn't give them a book of how to play mafia for dummies means we don't cooperate? I asked them their thoughts on what to do and quite frankly I was going to do what I thought was best. Okay now we are getting somewhere. Why do you think Grackaroni outed the check result if you specifically asked his thoughts on what to do? Please rayn, I beg you, stop. Here, let me help you and quote the relevant posts. On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway On August 11 2013 14:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:29 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway Yeah letting scum know exactly how many KP to use doesnt make a a difference you're right that was stupid. Thanks for wasting 10 posts on this subject though. DRAW A CONCLUSION OR STFU Here is your conclusion. iamperfection and Grackaroni are doing incredibly stupid stuff if they are town. They are not working together in their house. When they are being called out from their stupid stuff they say "my bad, it was dumb". WHY THE FUCK DO TOWNIES DO STUPID STUFF WITHOUT THINKING FOR 5 MINUTES? Right, for no reason.. Jesus christ. What possible Blackfyre motivated reason is there to blab that shit in public? If Grackaroni is a Blackfyre he already has the information, so it is by definition not indicative of whether he is a pretender or not. This really says NOTHING about whether or not Grackaroni is a Blackfyre. This is scum motivation: Mafia wants to know how much HP people have much more than town. If iamp uses the check he basically has to tell his house members he is gonna use it, other wise he could get caught (if let´s say Xatalos becomes a lord and uses the check). When he tells the results, Grackaroni outs the results in thread "because dumb". If Grackaroni did not do that, and strange things start to happen with night KP, this points to Xatalos/iamp/Grackaroni. Now, when Grackaroni did out the check, if strange things start to happen it points to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON IN THE GAME! Magic!
I think we should ignore this scenario until after the lynch. I kind of follow where you are going with this (except I think Grack just made a mistake). Lets just wait for this claim and other Lords to chime in on yamato.
|
On August 12 2013 03:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 03:07 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 03:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 02:55 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 02:53 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: And after all this ridiculous stuff people are just letting this kinda stuff slip by because the guys said "my bad, it was stupid".
wtf is up with you? How are you going to find mafia if every scummy thing is gonna be brushed away by sinply saying "my bad, i was dumb"? Because dumb does not equal scummy. If I point out something that is scummy scum can't say "yeah that was scummy my bad". If someone does something dumb and it gets pointed out they can say "yeah that was dumb my bad" You're also wrong, because strange things already happened with the kp. Gumshoe was at 1 hp from house kp and died in the nightpost. I stand by the fact that this means one of the lannisters is scum. The question is, do you think he's scum? If your answer is no then my follow-up question is what the fuck are you doing? no the likeliest conclusion is that gum was shot by a town vig at the end of the night when he was still alive. Maybe from your perspective, if you are town (which I think is likely) that makes sense. As I've said I'm not going to pursue this until way later in the game if there's been no claim for the shot or no flip that suggests it could be a town shot. However rayn is being dumb and it's annoying because it's exactly the way rayn started playing in titanic, which held up to its namesake. iamp why is your vote not on yamato yet? because i dont feel like putting it there yet i would like to see him dance for my amusement. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hyhBVNu.gif)
![[image loading]](http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vg/image/1339/22/1339220956878.gif)
![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/applause.gif)
|
On August 12 2013 07:31 iamperfection wrote:
ace have you read the thread?
Not the entire thing. When I replaced in Game was at 82 pages and I skimmed. rayne sent me a PM with some reads and interactions between players. So I used that to start the game off. I'm pretty sure I'm missing some critical info so fill me in.
On August 12 2013 07:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:29 Ace wrote:On August 11 2013 23:47 Oberyn wrote:
It's worth noting that I told iamp I thought FT should be shot and asked if they'd consider a yamato lynched. He was not open to consideration.
I then PM'd iamp stating that I want yamato moved up to the priority night kill. He disagreed and insisted that gumshoe and kush be shot first.
I asked Acro about his thoughts on night hits, including yamato's name and he said that he was too busy in PMs to reply. He completely dodged the question.
Chromatically put yamato last on his list of night shots behind gumshoe, kush, and johnnywup stating that yamato will likely be lynched today. Things to check: Was iamp's gumshoe/kush needs to be shot first stance consistent with his stance during the day? If not he was [i]possibly[i/] possibly just trying to avoid wasting KP on yamato. Sentiment seems to be that everyone wanted to hit gumshoe who was lurking. Other explanation is scum protecting a buddy but I don't see any reasons yet for this to hold. Did chromatically know about yamato being checked when he told you he would likely be lynched the next day? Acro not responding to your PMs isn't really strange since he might not trust you. from pm's "For the kp i will use it as i use any vig shot nonsense to lurkers to scum reads to people i don't like in that order" -Iamp
Ok so he was consistent with it then. gumshoe was lurking.
On August 12 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:
now why would mr ace think that it would be weird that i would push for gumshoe to die considering he probably hates nonsense more than anybody? (hint there are 3 possibilities)
Nothing weird about it. I was thinking of explanations for why you would avoid shooting yamato. If you never had a stance on gumshoe before but switched to one at Night then it would be suspicious.
On August 12 2013 08:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:
now why would mr ace think that it would be weird that i would push for gumshoe to die considering he probably hates nonsense more than anybody? (hint there are 3 possibilities) I don't think he was it was saying it was weird. Only that since you deflected the shot away from Yamato if you had a contrary view to shooting lurkers then you would be more suspicious.
Yes 
On August 12 2013 08:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:00 Grackaroni wrote:On August 12 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:
now why would mr ace think that it would be weird that i would push for gumshoe to die considering he probably hates nonsense more than anybody? (hint there are 3 possibilities) I don't think he was it was saying it was weird. Only that since you deflected the shot away from Yamato if you had a contrary view to shooting lurkers then you would be more suspicious. The correct choices would be 1. ace hasn't read the thread yet because he would clearly seen after what gum did why i would want him killed. 2. Ace is bad 3. Ace is just scum and pouring nonsense in the thread while also not reading. I guess this option also includes all the above just with the added caveat of him being scum. So which one is it ace?
All 3 imo. What did humshoe do?
also chime in on yamato????? wat is there to chime in on??????????????
When I was writing only 1 person? voted at the time.
Oats isn't voting for yamato because he thought Miller/Framer was in play earlier. Hasn't come back to the thread since yamato showed up.
Risen posted but will be back before it's over. I think he should have voted for yamato asap once he posted, and if not should have a reason for doubting the claim. I'm guessing he is just catching up reading everything though.
Oberyn afk since last night.
On August 12 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace you not voting for me is weird because if i had gone to bed when i sent you the PM (as i originally intended) i would not have seen your response and we would have all voted for Risen. Had Risen died during the night we would now have no lord in our house.
Ok I understand what happened because I just re-read the PM. At the bottom after outlining all that info you told me to vote for you, and you + Risen would vote for Risen. That way it's a definite we have a Lord if someone is killed. I misread that part and voted Risen based on you having a Town read and being fine with him getting Lordship. My mistake.
|
|
|
@rayne: I rarely PM people a lot in PM games since I want to be transparent in the thread. Also I dont have any PMs from you anyway to respond to. I already told you I took your information when I replaced in to catch up.
@Risen: I may have missed it but it seems you went off track. Can you post your in deoth read against Rayne or explain why you changed focus?
@all: As for the Sharrant being Scum with a fake check/bus on yamato - I dont think its concrete at the moment. The thing that worries me is that he claimed 1 shot Cop which means something is up that I dont think needs much thinking to figure out if he is Town. There would have to be even more information roles around or House Powers (I still dont know much about these) would have to be strong to get us info somehow. Unless we get some more information about roles now that we have admitted double fake claims I think that is a dead end path.
@Vivax: Where you at bro?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
oh whew nevermind. misread it thank god. Carry on
|
GG. damn I was getting super suspect of rayne but wanted to dialogue our Lord elections that night so I could solidify my reads. Only thing that threw me off was Risen not instavoting Yamato even though he posted in the thread.
Stupid Town as always sharing too much information. Deserved to lose.
|
On August 20 2013 14:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 14:43 Ace wrote:
GG. damn I was getting super suspect of rayne but wanted to dialogue our Lord elections that night so I could solidify my reads. Only thing that threw me off was Risen not instavoting Yamato even though he posted in the thread.
Stupid Town as always sharing too much information. Deserved to lose. Agree. Too focused on actions rather than motive. Ohh well u get that most games I suppose.
One of the days I came back to tread the thread and saw some morons saying I was being anti-town or something because I wouldn't respond to every little thing going on. Of course the thread was LITTERED with so much useless junk and "Player X's fantastic Town Read #4!" that shit didn't get done. I think its far more anti-town when people dont know how to shut the fuck up and keep posting Town reads every time they get a chance. So fucking dumb.
|
I said the same thing. Town should have burnt all HP checks since only Scum need that information. Ideally on Night 2 someone tries to use it and if its already been used the previous Lord was Scum. Keep the result of HP checks to yourself was the best course of action.
|
I also think rayne played very well as Scum from my limited time in the game. I only had weak suspicions on 2 other scum mebers and one of them (Chromatically) lessened them pretty quickly.
|
On August 20 2013 15:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 14:49 Ace wrote:On August 20 2013 14:46 Mocsta wrote:On August 20 2013 14:43 Ace wrote:
GG. damn I was getting super suspect of rayne but wanted to dialogue our Lord elections that night so I could solidify my reads. Only thing that threw me off was Risen not instavoting Yamato even though he posted in the thread.
Stupid Town as always sharing too much information. Deserved to lose. Agree. Too focused on actions rather than motive. Ohh well u get that most games I suppose. One of the days I came back to tread the thread and saw some morons saying I was being anti-town or something because I wouldn't respond to every little thing going on. Of course the thread was LITTERED with so much useless junk and "Player X's fantastic Town Read #4!" that shit didn't get done. I think its far more anti-town when people dont know how to shut the fuck up and keep posting Town reads every time they get a chance. So fucking dumb. nah Ace I thought you were scum because you were so useless man. Be less useless next time?
I was spending so much time reading and there was nothing worth talking about since yamato was going to be lynched. I screwed up and got myself modkilled before I got to make a real contribution.
|
And this setup was cool. Only thing I didnt like was missing information about specific house powers but since I replaced in that may have already been covered. I was skeptical of us having only 1 detective so I figured Sharrant had to be more than 1 shot and/or House Powers would take care of stuff.
I like the pseudo-Kingmaker lynch mechanic. Kingmakers always make for good games (and lots of bitching)
|
funny enough that caused me to suspect Risen. He posted he had a case on Rayne in the thread and dropped it out of no where. Then at night I PM'd him to make Rayne lord and he was like no he will stay Lord. I was like o.0?
|
You brought up the PM fiasco which at first made me think you were town because I did mess up. But you kept talking about it and being worried I wasn't PMing you. I dont think anyone should really care that someone isn't PMing them unless it's a clear issue of them hiding info. Besides most people know I rarely PM people in these kinds of games since Townies do dumb things like hide info that needs to be public and trust each other too much in PM land.
|
dont fake claim in the future please
|
you told me to vote for you iirc, but I didn't read it and instead voted for Risen. If Scum shot him we would have no lord so you voted for yourself instead.
But I told you this and you brought the issue of me not PMing you up again later which made me think you might just be trying to throw dirt which is scummy. Then Risen's actions later caused me to kind of drop it and wonder why he didn't case you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
