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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 16:32 GMT
#4045
He pmed me earlier too, was really tempting to respond, oh well.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 16:56 GMT
#4058
On August 18 2013 01:53 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 01:43 Chromatically wrote:
On August 18 2013 01:20 s0Lstice wrote:
On August 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote:
On August 18 2013 01:02 s0Lstice wrote:
On August 18 2013 00:50 Chromatically wrote:
Lynch Risen today? In addition to everything I said yesterday, there's the Vivax association. Risen calls Vivax a scumread in PMs, but doesn't have coherent reasons for it (scum don't want to read their scumbuddies). And, he never pushes Vivax in thread and only consolidates onto the vote when the lynch is clear.


As far as Sharrant goes, what do you think about this?

So your idea is that Sharrant, before bussing his scumbuddy yamato, FAKECLAIMED cop to Acro to ask for his opinion? And he was just going to hope that Acro suggested yamato, so that way he could LIE and say he was checking kush, before actually bussing yamato???

I think this is highly unlikely if Sharrant is scum. It's a dumb move for town, but I can't see scum doing this with a town Acro. Maybe it's a big play where they're both scum, but that's just unnecessary. I also don't see why scum would invent the "HP check even days".

I agree that it's unlikely that Mocsta was framed, but I think it's less likely that Sharrant is faking all of this.

Obviously irrelevant if he flips miller.


Yes, I agree that it would be pretty outrageous from a scum Sharrant and town Acro point of view. I don't think it would be that crazy if they were both scum. Scum do what they think will make them win. Anyway, I don't really love pre-flip connections.

The bolded isn't entirely true. Risen voted and said the lynch was Vivax right around when I did, and I was at the very beginning of the wagon. He didn't push it all that hard, but to say he consolidated when it was clear isn't entirely right.

I'm not a fan of preflip connections either, but this isn't one. I don't see a reason for Sharrant to do this as scum either way, It's possible, but there's just no benefit.

That's true, I was going from memory on "lynch in the clear". The main point is that he had a large scumread on Vivax ("#1"), but he never pushed it in-thread, even when he was on the lynch. He voted SnB and Sharrant before actually voting Vivax.


Hmm. I do agree that it isn't the likely scenario on Sharrant. I would really feel a lot better though if I had any sort of notion that he cared about the game outside of his checks.

On Risen, I think he was super unsure. It's just like the s&b discussion earlier. His vote and his interests are all over the place, and he will be pushing multiple things in a short period of time. Really difficult to say as we would typically that this guy is scum for not pushing his #1 scum read, because what does #1 scum read really mean for Risen if it lasts all of 5 minutes?



If we really assume that Risen changes his reads every 5 minutes, then it'll be impossible to tell if he's scum. Any time he has a read contradiction, someone can say "he does that as town too". It just invalidates all his reads. Scum Risen could literally say any read he wanted to for no reason and he would get away with it.

He had a unreasoned scumread on Vivax that he never pushed. That is a clear association that doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Add to that everything else he's done that doesn't make sense from anyone thinking about the game.

On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?

also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier?

I did, and I don't think it's alignment indicative.

I can't see the PMs in question, so I don't know exactly what made you think that Risen forgot about the Vivax lynch, but I think it could very easily be Risen just assuming that Vivax was done for, instead of actually forgetting.

He just really wants to push Xat, so he sends out the PMs, assuming that everyone would understand he was talking about tomorrow (given that Vivax is already dead). And then he sends out the second round just to make sure everyone knew.


yup pretty much. he's really hard to read because of how erratic he is.

So to make this public knowledge, Risen PMed me after Vivax made his claim thing saying he wanted to lynch Xatalos. This is shortly after posting in the thread something along the lines of Xatalos=bad. He then immediately sent a PM after saying 'oh oops nevermind we gotta lynch Vivax today.' Scum Risen knows Vivax is on his team, and hence would be pretty concerned with what side of this issue he ends up on. Why would he rock the boat like this as scum and muddy the waters after already being on the correct side of the Vivax wagon? How does this action improve his situation? It's crazy as town too, but the flakiness and carelessness of the action makes the town side a lot more likely.


That's pretty wifom. He could not have checked his qt, vivax could not have discussed the claim in his qt etc.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:00 GMT
#4060
I dunno, vivax pushed yamato and he turned out to be scum. Did he push anyone else this game?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:02 GMT
#4063
It's plurality voting for lynches, majority for lord election
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:13 GMT
#4073
because gumshoe woulda been a weird target to check for scum.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:34 GMT
#4077
I dunno how bussing a scum teammate for town cred and then faking a redcheck would be considered "award winning scumplay"

Acro is seriously overthinking this.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:35 GMT
#4078
stark still has its hp check although obviousy can't use it today, and I expect to die along with my sealbuddy tomorrow.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:38 GMT
#4081
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:38 GMT
#4082
Does that look like a townie to you?

Btw dandel calling someone a lurker, and he's not even wrong, lol
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:49 GMT
#4087
Unless scum are doing big play sunday because in that case, regardless of snb being scum or not, they won't kill me.
I don't care that much right now though, just want mocsta to die.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 17:52 GMT
#4089
AFTER the mocsta flip, if he flips town and not miller, I'm okay with hp checking sharrant (since it hits johnny too)
If sharrant has taken damage (let's just assume he has 7 hp) then he's town. If he hasn't we probably need to lynch him.
Same for johnny although scum wouldn't shoot him I don't think.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 18:18 GMT
#4110
I assume sharrant has taken some form of damage and acro is 7 hp?
Don't think that confirms him as scum, scum could have easily split their kp on sharrant xata and me, and they'll kill us 3 tonight.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 18:33 GMT
#4125
On August 18 2013 03:24 Acrofales wrote:
Clarity took damage.

##vote Strongandbig


Ofcourse I did. Why does that make snb scum?
Basically, 6 hourses, scum need 4 votes to have a majority.
If snb is scum he can just vote himself and then they need 3/5 votes, so killing me does not fit into the "grand plan" that you were talking about.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 18:46 GMT
#4133
Yeah you're right they only need 3/6, my mistake.
Still I think people are jumping to conclusions a bit too fast.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 19:24 GMT
#4143
Ugh, my head hurts. What just happened.

sharrant got hit last night
I got hit last night

I wish I had my hp check.

I don't believe acro being full hp makes him scum on its own.
I definitely believe sharrant being low makes him town.
I don't believe me being low hp makes snb scum

On August 18 2013 03:33 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 18 2013 03:27 Acrofales wrote:
@Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him?

why, for towncred obviously

Because I need more of that, when I am about the least likely person in the game to get lynched.

This is simply incorrect.

Keeping it simple... The most likely targets last night were sharrant xata and myself. Odds are the three of us are damaged and will die tonight.

Scum is somewhere in this list:
johnny
grack
chrom
snb
acro/onegu
...koshi I guess?

I'd lynch/kp top to bottom right now if I could.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 19:26 GMT
#4144
I also don't believe that DI is lying about his check, I believe the possibility of acro lying is there. He could be scum, knowing that they've shot me and just checked someone else for scum's use.
For now though, I'm just gonna stick with my reads rather than just throw everything out because of a couple of hp checks.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 21:01 GMT
#4180
On August 18 2013 05:44 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 05:38 Xatalos wrote:
On August 18 2013 05:26 johnnywup wrote:
How did gumshoe and kush force town to shoot them? Is that what you're going to say about me after I flip?

And good, I want rayn dead.


What's your reasoning for rayn being scum?

never said i thought he was scum i said i wanted him dead. he's been an asshole to me and others and is disrupting town. at this point i don't care what he flips -.-



Lol.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 21:02 GMT
#4183
regardless of johnny's or rayn's alignment, johnny you have been pretty much useless, at least rayn makes himself readable (kinda)

What have you done johnny? I don't recall a single thing.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 21:03 GMT
#4186
On August 18 2013 06:01 Risen wrote:
I couldn't be a useful Lord this cycle and had to choose whether I should have no Lord or rayn Lord. Rayn Lord with a shot seemed a good compromise


Risen I hate you.

Like, this game... wtf happened man.

I give up for today.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 17 2013 21:30 GMT
#4193
On August 18 2013 06:01 Risen wrote:
I couldn't be a useful Lord this cycle and had to choose whether I should have no Lord or rayn Lord. Rayn Lord with a shot seemed a good compromise


Just came back to say this is the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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