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On August 15 2013 22:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way.....
"Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town."
WHAT? Scum SnB in my experience, is always trying to push something. Thats where that came from. Town often dont give a shit, and live by the 80/20 rule. Everyone talks about model townies that are transparent and scum hunting; but fact is.. most townies are filled with sheep lurkers, and its the minority that carry the game. Its a heuristic. Reads change; and based on how SnB has handled his pressure this cycle, my read changed and the heuristic was discarded.
Bad play isn't always scum play, but it's more likely scum play than good town play. Especially if the player is good as town. I don't know snb's meta though so it's hard to comment.
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On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces.
I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game.
Shoot on sight.
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On August 15 2013 22:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi. stop being a moron. The answers are in my filter.
e.g. chromatically was explained in the post i made making a case on rayn. Mocsta is confirmed scum. Where did you lose the Risen read?
How come?
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On August 15 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Dont u love how Koshi and Rayn like to attack ppl in tandem? Quite the coordinated effort gents.
When Kush kept talking to Sharrant about "fags".. musta been addressing you two.
A really good idea to start insulting when several people want you lynched even today.
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On August 15 2013 22:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:46 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Dont u love how Koshi and Rayn like to attack ppl in tandem? Quite the coordinated effort gents.
When Kush kept talking to Sharrant about "fags".. musta been addressing you two. A really good idea to start insulting when several people want you lynched even today. Xat, ppl want me lynched every game; im not going to start crying about it. If you had a read on me, whether town or scum.. and are willing to discard that read based on the post above... then i can add you that the 3/4 list of ppl i dont want to end game with. The fact is, Koshi has come in, slandered me with no substance. and has now proceeded to disappear. Why is this smear campaign acceptable behaviour from a townie? [Thats a real question for you]
Koshi is most likely town. jrkirby was scummy, you are null / slightly townish. That insult was a null action, but not a good idea if you're town (if you're scum, feel free). I can accept "smearing" since you still have a reasonable chance to flip scum and it's not a bad idea to keep you under pressure.
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By the way, I'd like Sharrant to explain in the thread why he has a town read on johnnywup and especially why he doesn't want to kill Kush. He hasn't answered my PM for a long time, but thinking about it more, it would be better to share his thoughts in thread.
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On August 15 2013 23:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 23:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, I'd like Sharrant to explain in the thread why he has a town read on johnnywup and especially why he doesn't want to kill Kush. He hasn't answered my PM for a long time, but thinking about it more, it would be better to share his thoughts in thread. I want to hear why I am the SK.
Hm?
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On August 15 2013 23:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 23:56 Mocsta wrote:On August 15 2013 23:55 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta, DI, Chrom, Sharrant and 1/2 of the active posters.
I could give reasons for all of them. Pls do. I thought reasons woudl be self explanatory. DI/Chrom have been terrorising our House. Both have townreads from everybody but I can see it happen. Sharrant because I like Risen and his case. And then there will be active players that are capable to be scum. (Clarity rayn Xatalos Acro) I need to travel home because it is 1700 but that is the short version.
You like Risen? -.- And his case was unlikely speculation, not nailing a scum.
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On August 15 2013 23:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 23:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 23:27 Koshi wrote:On August 15 2013 23:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, I'd like Sharrant to explain in the thread why he has a town read on johnnywup and especially why he doesn't want to kill Kush. He hasn't answered my PM for a long time, but thinking about it more, it would be better to share his thoughts in thread. I want to hear why I am the SK. Hm? He said that. Less then 14 hours ago because he promised to post it within that time.
Well, that's interesting... I want to hear that too.
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I'm going to sleep in like 5(?) hours so I'd prefer if Vivax and snb reappeared before then. I can try to come back shortly before the deadline though.
As I said I'd prefer the first KP time slot but anything that's not the last time slot would be okay, I guess.
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s0Lstice is probably town, and Sharrant is more likely town than scum, but I really dislike his inactivity and I wonder why he likes johnnywup or especially Kush.
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This really does look like the Wagon of Justice. Clarity and Onegu I think are town, and s0Lstice was interested in lynching snb as well. Risen and Sharrant I'm unsure about and they're doing whatever... But they're not really even needed.
I would maybe very slightly prefer Vivax, but I'd be surprised if snb flips town either.
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On August 16 2013 01:02 kushm4sta wrote:
YO ACRO I switch position on shit because i change my mind... that is townie.
listen to the people who know my meta they all think im town.
absolutely retarded that im being shot even though its so obv im town.
the real shit going down here is ACRO and Johhny are hella scum, and acro needs to shoot me so he doens't have to shoot johhny. Look at johhny's first post, which vivax already pointed out. HE HAS TOO MUCH INFORmation. Assasins?? like wtf
If you're town, why do you have zero interest to push the game forward or participate in relevant discussion, despite clearly reading the thread?
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On August 16 2013 01:28 kushm4sta wrote:
also i think I was wrong about johnny and acro being scum. oh yeah I think xatalos is probably town too just because of his scummeta of talking as little as possible without emotion.
so ATM i have ZERO scumreads.
Actually I think you're right. I post less as scum and especially have less emotion.
If you can notice things like that, WHY can't you scumhunt?
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On August 16 2013 01:29 kushm4sta wrote:
k for you mocsta I will filterdive vivax and share my thoughts
snb, Risen, johnnywup, Mocsta and Sharrant while you're at it.
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On August 16 2013 01:58 Acrofales wrote:
@Mocsta: you have no fucking clue how SnB's scum meta works, so why are you giving him a town read based on meta. Your meta read is entirely wrong... and I want you to either explain it in detail with examples, or I will assume you just made it up. Scum-SnB is timid and doesn't push his reads AT ALL. The only exception I can think of is how we went up against Oats in Sicilian (think it was Sicilian), which he almost certainly did to emulate his town meta at the time of policy-calling-Oats-scum.
Wouldn't you say he's been pretty timid and not pushing his reads this game...?
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On August 16 2013 01:52 strongandbig wrote:im back omg ima try not to get so mad again. apparently reasoned argument from an emotional position isn't enough to convince people. Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro.
its cause oats was in my house so i could pm him. i talked to him quite a lot on n0 and got a town read on him because his reads on the clarity situation seemed reasonable and made sense to me, and because he seemed to be putting more thought into the implications of vivax's and clarity's actions to their alignments (and more thought in general) than I would have expected from scum-oats. Also because of a general feel of townieness I got from him, like he was really trying to work through things instead of just trying to seem like he was working through things. Once the day started and I was starting from a position of "probably town" his general fumblings reinforced that read, so I never felt like he was scum. also you should realize, scum snb also always pushes oats as a lynch. it's an easy way to follow my town meta. Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:35 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 22:29 Mocsta wrote:On August 15 2013 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way.....
"Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town."
WHAT? Scum SnB in my experience, is always trying to push something. Thats where that came from. Town often dont give a shit, and live by the 80/20 rule. Everyone talks about model townies that are transparent and scum hunting; but fact is.. most townies are filled with sheep lurkers, and its the minority that carry the game. Its a heuristic. Reads change; and based on how SnB has handled his pressure this cycle, my read changed and the heuristic was discarded. Bad play isn't always scum play, but it's more likely scum play than good town play. Especially if the player is good as town. I don't know snb's meta though so it's hard to comment. apparently im not very good Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces.
I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game.
Shoot on sight. blegh terrible.
Apparently your scum meta is not to push things. So could you maybe... start pushing things?
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In which game has snb been scum lately?
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On August 16 2013 02:22 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 02:02 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 01:58 Acrofales wrote:
@Mocsta: you have no fucking clue how SnB's scum meta works, so why are you giving him a town read based on meta. Your meta read is entirely wrong... and I want you to either explain it in detail with examples, or I will assume you just made it up. Scum-SnB is timid and doesn't push his reads AT ALL. The only exception I can think of is how we went up against Oats in Sicilian (think it was Sicilian), which he almost certainly did to emulate his town meta at the time of policy-calling-Oats-scum. Wouldn't you say he's been pretty timid and not pushing his reads this game...? nope #killrisen2013 i'll push something. Risen day 1 chose easy targets, entered the thread with a scummy-as-fuck post that made a huge list of reads based on bad arguments and attacking bad play instead of scum play, and spent the rest of the day not pushing anything and shooting one-liners all over the place. clearly scum. Risen after day 1 made a case on sharrant that had one decent point. he then proceeded to spend the rest of the day tunneling sharrant and attacking acro and myself for connection cases with sharrant, while ignoring sharrant's responses to his case and anything other people said about it. clearly scum. he's a much better lynch than i am. Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 02:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Acro, especially his d3 and onwards is just a shitstorm. The major similarity is the questions he asks. Maybe from reading his filter it doesn't come across, but most of them were completely useless. Either the answer was readily available for those who looked or the answer was gonna be useless regardless.
That is your main problem with rayn is it not?
btw, snb just said his scum meta is to push oats, and now acro just said his town meta is to push oats.
I don't believe in either one since that would be a terrible thing to do, push one person consistently as a particular alignment, but why the difference? when i'm town i tend to think oats is scum because he asks stupid questions and does a lot of things that don't contribute to the thread's finding scum, but he posts a lot and pays a lot of attention. it always makes me think he's just doing it to have useless thread presence. when i'm scum i tend to say oats is scum because it's an easy way to match my town meta.
What do you think of Vivax?
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Ah nvm you had a scumread.
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