EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 14
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On August 15 2013 01:00 Xatalos wrote: It's different to send a list to someone in PM (very easy for scum to do) than to actually pressure, argue and scumhunt in thread (pretty hard for scum to do, at least well). The route you chose doesn't feel townish at all. If you have any idea how i play, you should know that i ask a lot of questions and then offer my conclusions based (mostly) on how people interact with me. If the conclusions do not help in that particular time or give me a town read i do not talk about that stuff any more. And yes, i have really tried to adjust my playstyle after Titanic, which was a clusterfuck. I try to be less emotional because people would not let me lynch obv-mafia on D1 and D2 and then everyone discredited me for "shitting up the thread" when their counter-argument was "townslip yo!". Do you know how frustrating that feels? When you can't convince people with shitty logic, and on top of that they call you shit. | ||
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EBWOP: I mean: "When you can't convince people who have shitty logic" | ||
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On August 15 2013 01:29 strongandbig wrote: yeah that's one line in a long list of reads that you sent in a pm. That doesn't count as an actual explanation or an actual argument, and the fact that you would even point to that gives me a bad feeling. Prior to that your scum reads are me and onegu, neither of which you actually explain in any detail other than the "misunderstanding" with onegu that you drop eventually. in fact this mocsta thing is close to the second time you actually give reasons other than "he hasn't done anything" for a scum read in this entire game. why vivax? Why not me? Why not onegu? srsly What game are you reading? I have explained my scumread on Onegu. I have explained my scumread on you. I have explained all my reads and all the explanations are in thread. Why are you not reading the thread? | ||
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Do you disagree with me (having played in LXI) in what i said about his read and thoughts about Sharrant? Do you disagree with me that his reads are bullshit? If so, show me why. Do you disagree with me that his behavior is anti-town in general (trying to cast shit on people for no reason just because they call him out)? If so, why? | ||
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On August 15 2013 01:46 strongandbig wrote: on onegu: "hasn't done anything" not a reason as it stands this is not a reason. if you think onegu isn't following up on his reads or that he's being scummily noncommittal then say so, but this is not enough to justify a main scum suspicion. not a reason On me: not a reason not a reason "hasn't done anything" not a reason i guess this maybe counts as a reason? Is this really why you think I'm scum? I didn't even know about the reason for oats's read, I just knew he had fakeclaimed to clarity and clarity's reaction made him think clarity was town. I'm scum because i didn't tell you about oats's fakeclaim to clarity before oats said to? this is retarded. yeah i know what game i'm reading. what game are you playing? lol dude, you are funny. Onegu: Has (apparently) been active/townie in PM's. Noone to prove that any more and Oberyn would not tell me why before he died. None of this towniness comes up in thread (barring late D2 when he was saying good stuff). How is this not clear? You: You quoted my read on you. You also LEFT OUT THE FUCKING CONCLUSION! Which was btw this: After all i think SnB comes out from this as most scummiest. He should have taken the leader position as town and stop the bullshit. Oats, other than that post of his looks town to me. This is traditional Oats´ townplay, he is fucking off and saying stupid stuff. Clarity looks fairly town to me aswell, he is somewhat making sense, especially with his reads. IMO Clarity is amongst the people who have scumhunted the most at the time. I could kill like half of the town for not scumhunting. Other than this you have not done shit. Period. | ||
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Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". | ||
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On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote: Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. | ||
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We are going to lynch Mocsta, then when he flips red look at these fuckers who do not comment on my case . | ||
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On August 15 2013 02:07 Acrofales wrote: Lynching mocsta is a fucking terrible idea because statistics. I don't give a shit how scummy he plays until we get later in the game. Also, scum asking his scumbuddy for input. Nice fucking distancing you got going there. You are scum or an idiot. Did you read Red Teams Prize already and compared that to your case? | ||
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Dandel explain? I have been PMing with Risen all game long, why is it impossible that i have a town read on him? | ||
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The reason i agreed Risen being a lord on D2 was because i wanted to find more about him. What he would do as a lord and would his play be infected by him being a lord. It was not, he was pushing his own shit, not letting people affect on his thoughts. Town. On N2 i felt like Lords on D2 were shit because of what i talked with Risen (they apparently couldn't consolidate on a target list for house KP). for this reason, and because my play lacks as i can't play to my fullest (lack of PM partners) i wanted to be lord for D3. Risen promised me he would paraphrase his PM's with other lords. He has done so. He is also trying to figure out stuff and i do actually agree with him on a lot of stuff. Now get your voted off him and vote for someone who is actually scum. | ||
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On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote: Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? | ||
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So you just looked at one game? Why? | ||
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On August 15 2013 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you just looked at one game? Why? If you remember i specifically told in scumchat that i am not able to be active... | ||
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