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LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH. | ||
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On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote: To all of you that are out there... Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players. | ||
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On July 27 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote: We should lynch the lurker with the least posts. Koshi is clearly not one of them. Clearly. So Paperscraps, why is Day 1 hard to get solid reads as opposed to other days? As in any other game of limited information. Day 1 has the least amount of material to draw from and thus is harder to deduce a solid fos. As the game progresses and people are pushed off the boat, you can begin to seem "teams" form and motivations for lynches and kills. On July 27 2013 10:33 Stutters695 wrote: So basically you don't have a stance on it? On July 27 2013 09:32 Paperscraps wrote: ...LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH. ##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow Also, anyone want to make out in a town car with me?  | ||
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On July 27 2013 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think any votes so far have been serious Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it.TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. ##Unvote My first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far. I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad  . | ||
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First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote: How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum? You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum. Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad. Which of them is most likely to be scum? This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through. | ||
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If I was in your shoes and looking at my early posts, I would have realized that they were way too over the top to be serious. I voted you and said lets "murder" this guy, haha. Obviously I am trying to get reactions, since you are being so serious right off the bat. I still don't understand how Tofu and I voting around the same time makes at least one of us confirmed scum. That is a stretch. More realistically, it was too people voting a rather serious player who was posting in a very "pro-town" and "controlled" manner to get him to show some real reads and responses. It is easy to act pro-town and push on people with very little to go off of early off in the game. You haven't wavered much in your general tone and seem to be stubborn which is good. If you took at step back and got some objectivity, I think it would go along way to help you out. You have been focused on Tofu and I and haven't really paused to look at others, which is always a good thing to do. If you still think I am the best lynch after reading other people's filters, then by all means keep voting me. I don't think that is likely at all though. | ||
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About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction. | ||
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On July 28 2013 12:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Also @Paper, I would like a scumread, if you are still around. You had promised one to me, yet you don't give me one...and everyone calls me untrustworthy... Right now I would lynch Vivax followed by JAT. Vivax's push on Vayne seems like an excuse to just put a vote up. JAT hasn't added anything new to the thread. He has just regurgitated other people's FoSes in his own words. The only good thing JAT has done is nominate Jack for captain, I would like rayn and Malongo to post more, before I actually made a decision. Also I disagree on your read of Oats, I think he has contributed and I lean town on him. You should read through Vayne's filter, he posts some really good stuff if you look for it. I don't see him flipping scum right now. | ||
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Your need to defend/attack everything that is said about you is not helping. FMPOV I see a stubborn townie who thinks he found scum in the first day and doesn't want to look bad by backing down. Behind every post, even ones that aren't super-serious people can still have an agenda. Whether you believe it or not I don't really care. I have developed a decent read on you now and wish to move along to more important matters. | ||
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I would like to hear your read on FT. I am bit cross at the moment. Tofu had no reason to defend me early on. If he were scum, what is the motivation behind doing this. He could actually town read me and scum read exar or being trying to look town by defending me. What are your thoughts? @Malongo Good to see you posting. I am curious, do you have any town reads so far? | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys, I was busy with my other game, but I'm back now for a bit. I'll answer any questions if you have them. I've going to sleep soon though. Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well. | ||
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On July 28 2013 18:03 hzflank wrote: Oats' read on me was almost the exact opposite of your read on me. You cannot say that you liked the still liked the reasoning for Oats' read on me because he reasoning was mostly not reading my filter properly and a little philosophical differences. Exactly which Oats reads and posts were great? What do you perceive Oats' 'comprehension of what is going on' to be? Maybe I am missing something, but reading through Oats' filter he doesn't push on you. He doesn't even directly call you scum. I am not sure what you are looking for here. I believe what he has said about you so far is decent. I really don't see how it contradicts my read. Stepping on toes = abrasive. Is your gripe with him calling you defensive? | ||
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On July 28 2013 18:28 hzflank wrote: Also, you did not answer any of my other questions. I don't really plan on answering it either. I shouldn't have to go through another person's whole filter and outline what I think are good reads or insight. You can choose to agree or disagree. That is all that really matters. | ||
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JAT is scum. He just sheeped onto the wagon that was on me with out much thought and gave himself an out when I flip town that I am "probably" scum. Vivax actually posted some content and I don't think would be the best lynch today. Stutters I would definitely keep my eye on. hzflank is weird read for me now, I really don't know if he is pushing as town or scum. It was obvious that he wanted to push on Oats and he even admitted to it, which I liked. I have been very transparent in my posting up to this point. Yes, I had a lot of town reads when I caught up, You act like it is hard to act "town" day 1. I couldn't care less what people perceive me as. If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day. I thought the people playing this game would be able to read past the simple charades of others, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Good vig shots tonight would be rayn and/or stutters. I think their flips would be more beneficial than the content or rather lack of content they post. | ||
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On July 29 2013 03:52 hzflank wrote: Paper, can you tell us what you think of this, please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=30#587 It is a decent post, slightly biased through the lens of hzflank who already at that point scum reads me. You are seeing what you want to see in my posts. I could defend every point you made against me, but right now I don't think that would be beneficial since I am beginning to town read you again. We could go into the psychology of mafia and how people want to think their first choice is right, but really you should realize with all the flak I am getting from everyone right now, the chances of me flipping scum is very low. I am all alone here, this is day 1. Tofu made a pretty big shift in the recent pages, going from totally being against my lynch to voting me. I am not saying I don't have reasons to be voted with what everyone is throwing at me, but it doesn't seem like a natural shift at all. Where did his backbone go? Does he not scum read exarezee anymore? Is exarezee bussing me now? A closer look at Tofu right now would be great. @anyone How much time until the deadline? | ||
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I am putting myself in Tofu's shoes. What is he thinking to have voted me? His shift from being against my lynch to voting me was too sudden. It is scummy. He has been all about lynching you exarezee, then is now voting his scum's scum read. That doesn't strike you as odd play? | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:51 exarezee wrote: @Papers I think you should defend yourself at this point from hzflank's posts. You're going to get lynched if you don't defend yourself. Finding another suspect is useless at this point. If you know you're town, the best pro-town thing you could do right now is to save yourself. He says my list is scummy. That is subjective. When I was catching up, I jotted down what I thought of people, nothing people wrote struck me as super scummy. He calls my analysis of hzflank and you not both being scum, fluff. When it is a decent read. Again subjective. Why should I have to go in depth and explain my town reads. We all know how easy it is to manipulate people's posts into whatever you want to believe. I don't like that style of play. I look for interactions between players, sudden changes in behavior, voting patterns. Do I have to make a full blow case against some one and dissect every word they say and provide the greek meaning of each said word. No I don't. It doesn't make the person I FoS not scum, if I only provide a few lines as too why. At that point in time I wasn't even super sure on any of my reads. It was my initial read through. I didn't have to commit to anything. I never said any of my reads were very strong. Those were just my thoughts, so you guys could see where my head was at. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:51 Vivax wrote: I agree that Tofu's switch was everything except good looking. He doesn't seem to fight much for his own reads. Can you tell me what you thought were those amazing reads from Oats that made you townread him in your list post? The main thing I like about Oat's is his posts don't seem super thought out. This gives them a sense of truth and genuineness imo. He doesn't seem like he is trying to manipulate everything he talks about, but just gives us his outlook on the matter. I actually kind of dig his filler post's as well, they are light hearted and don't seemed forced. I would be hard pressed to see Oats flip scum and have been forcing all of these posts. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that enough for everyone? I really wonder if scum would make this blatant of a contradiction. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Why do you not seem to even care if you get lynched. Is this really all the fight you're gonna give it? Die scum AtEing hardly ever works in flipping a lynch. I do care I get lynched, why else would I be suggestioning we lynch someone else. Also I would have fished by now. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:28 FirmTofu wrote: Just going to wait for the flip. This speculation is driving me nuts. I really doubt it is. Most people voting me probably town read me by now. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote: paper could you at least give us some fucking last minute reads if you're town I'm actually making myself mad at the thought of you flipping town now, how could you just let this happen without pushing back Drop us some reads FT I can see flipping scum based on how the last few pages have gone. I already pointed out his shift was weird. I can see why people would want me over JAT, since I have had a ton more interactions, so I will stop pushing that scum read for now. I am leaning town on hzflank. I don't really know what to think of rayn yet, since he really just got into this. If koshi flipped scum, I would be surprised, he doesn't really play like a scum would. The last part of my filter is filled with reads bro. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote: I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch? No it wouldn't, the 1% of doubt will be used by scum. | ||
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