EPTHZFLANK
If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in.
Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game.
I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on...
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On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote:
I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town.
Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town.
I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town.
Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town.
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On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote:
Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.
Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.
Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.
Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.
Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch)
But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case)
I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did:
On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote:
On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.
Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that.
On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.
Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that.
Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it.
hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up:
(I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before)
On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
When the lynch was happening hzflank admitted that he had both these opinions at the same time. He did so in different posts obviously, both posts were made after pressure in addition to the red post above.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town and koshi wants to see this flip to pressure hzflank.
Which is impossible, these are 2 clear contradictions. In addition you don't think like this as a town player.
When the lynch was happening hzflank admitted that he had both these opinions at the same time. He did so in different posts obviously, both posts were made after pressure in addition to the red post above.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town and koshi wants to see this flip to pressure hzflank.
Which is impossible, these are 2 clear contradictions. In addition you don't think like this as a town player.
But as scum?
On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) Scum has to fake red reads on town people, hzflank faked both red reads on paper as on Koshi (quote added entire below where he puts it black on white, but again you should know this if you followed the thread yesterday.)
2) But in the red post above hz scumslips and says that koshi thinks paper is scum
A scum player on the other hand
1) Scum has to fake red reads on town people, hzflank faked both red reads on paper as on Koshi (quote added entire below where he puts it black on white, but again you should know this if you followed the thread yesterday.)
2) But in the red post above hz scumslips and says that koshi thinks paper is scum
THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!!
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On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote:
I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you.
I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town.
A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie.
I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you.
I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town.
A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie.
Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards.
