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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 12:17 GMT
#1194
You won't have to search far! 4 out of 4 people already found your play dubious after the flip. Must be all them scummies. You found them!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 12:21 GMT
#1195
Wait it's 5 out of 5. XRZ only said "cool find" so I am not 100% certain what he thinks of you atm. but wth 5 scummies!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 12:32 GMT
#1197
Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 12:39 GMT
#1198
XRZ boasts about having played over 200 games, has 7 pages of filter and can be placed next to oats this game. They talk alot about small things, I am not leaning neiter town nor scum. They should not fear any lynching from me yet.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 12:48 GMT
#1201
On July 29 2013 21:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 21:32 Koshi wrote:
Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me.

Interesting. Why am i scum then?

I think you are confused. It was you yelling 15 times I am scum. Not the other way around. Did I mention you were scum once? Maybe once. Twice? Quote plz.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 12:55 GMT
#1205
On July 29 2013 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 08:58 Koshi wrote:
1 of rayn and vivax is scum unless paper flips red.

You like that?



There is the quote to be exact.

Ahyeah that's once. It was somewhat a joke iirc. Something with associations and preflip reads that you were going crazy about.

But at that time I was getting distressed that the Paper lynch was not going through and I typed that without too much reasoning. lol. I think you can quote me saying you aren't scum somewhere as well. But that could have been before that.

Don't be mad that I was unreasonable once.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 12:57 GMT
#1206
You actually called me out for being illogical and unreasonable so many times yesterday. I agree on that one :D
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 13:05 GMT
#1208
hahaha
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 13:24 GMT
#1214
Clarity_nl: Did you read the thread already? If you did what is your opinion on the last 4 pages.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 13:47 GMT
#1232
On July 29 2013 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Clarity_nl: Did you read the thread already? If you did what is your opinion on the last 4 pages.

I am referring to the posts between Vivax/Koshi/hzflank
and also jat 4 scumreads and jat saying he is new.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 13:54 GMT
#1239
This too dumb to be scum is annoying me. My reads are being very hot last couple of days. I don't think

Currently lynchstreak:
3 correct scums (reads before flip) on I swear 2. Voted Artanis (as second) and then put last 2 on top of my list in the night.
2 correct scums in Sicilian (SnB, Kyronne)
Correct about town on paper in this game
Correct about you being town in Sicilian (that one took a while)

I am feeling pretty good about the current lynch target as well. So this too dumb to be scum is just silly. I am not too dumb sorry. Put me on your scum list. Thank you.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 13:59 GMT
#1243
On July 29 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote:
This too dumb to be scum is annoying me. My reads are being very hot last couple of days. I don't think

Currently lynchstreak:
3 correct scums (reads before flip) on I swear 2. Voted Artanis (as second) and then put last 2 on top of my list in the night.
2 correct scums in Sicilian (SnB, Kyronne)
Correct about town on paper in this game
Correct about you being town in Sicilian (that one took a while)

I am feeling pretty good about the current lynch target as well. So this too dumb to be scum is just silly. I am not too dumb sorry. Put me on your scum list. Thank you.

i meant the way you are playing, not the quality of your reads. Chill out.

So wait.. Too dumb to be scum is actually a compliment because it would be dumb for me to play scum like I am doing now? Because it is 100% townie and I am finding the right scumtargets?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:17 GMT
#1265
On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?


In this majority system I am a firm believer of making sure a lynch happens.
Reason: Because the clusterfuck that will happen when a lynch fails. People will be extremely divided and won't be able to come to their senses for a next target. The thread would evolve into a shitfest and scum can roam freely.

I came to this conclusion after vivax asked me what I found of him remvoing his vote. I dislike that move extremely now but I can't put scum on his name for it. Just a very very bad move.

I was 99% sure that Paper was town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:24 GMT
#1276
Scum is showing massive balls this game. such big balls I don't want to lynch VA anymore.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:33 GMT
#1280
On July 29 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Scum is showing massive balls this game. such big balls I don't want to lynch VA anymore.
\
who are the 4 mysterious scum players koshi?

I don't know. That's the problem. It's crazy. I know of 1. But we don't agree even though my case is so compelling. I shall make a compilation before the night ends. Vivax is pushing me to look at clarity and XRZ but if they join hz in a scumteam this is the most incredible scumteam ever. Imagine you joining them. jeezus.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:42 GMT
#1286
Here is the scumteam:

1) hzflank
2) Oatsmaster
3) XRZ

You can thank me later town. Please put flowers on my grave.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:50 GMT
#1294
On July 29 2013 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:42 Koshi wrote:
Here is the scumteam:

1) hzflank
2) Oatsmaster
3) XRZ

You can thank me later town. Please put flowers on my grave.

Hmm.
I think your streak is gone.
Koshi why you play like shit?

All scum that I lynched said that right before they flipped.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:51 GMT
#1297
On July 29 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 29 2013 23:42 Koshi wrote:
Here is the scumteam:

1) hzflank
2) Oatsmaster
3) XRZ

You can thank me later town. Please put flowers on my grave.

Hmm.
I think your streak is gone.
Koshi why you play like shit?

All scum that I lynched said that right before they flipped.

All town said that too.

Not in this streak.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 16:59 GMT
#1324
Ok I edited another fucking message instead of quoting it. I am so sorry host, maybe admins can repost my original message? I already forgot what this was


On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote:
HZFLANK


If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in.
Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game.
I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on...

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.


You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?


I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town.

Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote:
Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.

Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.


Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch)
But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case)

I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did:

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote:
Why do I really want to lynch paper now? And why do I have a feeling we are heading towards a no lynch?


On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.

Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that.


Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it.
hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up:
(I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before)
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
When the lynch was happening hzflank admitted that he had both these opinions at the same time. He did so in different posts obviously, both posts were made after pressure in addition to the red post above.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town and koshi wants to see this flip to pressure hzflank.

Which is impossible, these are 2 clear contradictions. In addition you don't think like this as a town player.

But as scum?

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) Scum has to fake red reads on town people, hzflank faked both red reads on paper as on Koshi (quote added entire below where he puts it black on white, but again you should know this if you followed the thread yesterday.)
2) But in the red post above hz scumslips and says that koshi thinks paper is scum


THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!!



+ Show Spoiler +
On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town

Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player.


I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you.

I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town.

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise
2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town


A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie.




Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 17:00 GMT
#1325
FUCCCKKKKK I AM FAILING SO HARD RIGHT NOW
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