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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 08:27 GMT
#1696
Holy shitposts batman, Koshi wtf are you doing
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 08:38 GMT
#1698
Koshi explain hz's vet claim as scum, you think it's some elaborate ploy? He also is clearly trying to figure out what happened after the smoke cleared with vayne's fakeclaim
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 09:06 GMT
#1703
Koshi seeing as Vayne's fakeclaim changed your mind about nothing, what do you think about his fakeclaim?
I'm not even sure why you quoted those two posts by stutters, are they supposed to prove he's scum?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 09:57 GMT
#1715
Koshi if you're town, snap out of it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:12 GMT
#1783
On July 30 2013 21:21 hzflank wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
We need 7 votes to lynch on day 2.

During N1 the following people all but confirmed that they would vote for me D2 and nothing would change their minds:

Koshi
Malongo
JAT

Towards the end of N2 the following people changed their read one me to scum, even they they have not scum-hunted in my direction much throughout the whole game:

Rayn
Vayne
Clarity
Exar (to a lesser extent)

Those 4 people positioned themselves nicely so that they could vote for me without looking like scum. I was totally being set up for a D2 lynch. What we do not know is why. Was it forced or did it happen naturally?

Also notice that Vivax, Stutters and to a lesser extent Tofu and Oats were positioned so that they could not easily vote on me, and would at least have to do some work first. CJS was basically inactive.

Day 2 starts and I claim Vet. Scum have to decide whether they can lynch me anyway or not, and the answer very much depends on who the scum team are. For example, they were never going to get a vote from town-Rayn or town-Clarity, but they could get a vote from them if they were scum.

Then Vayne fake claims Cop. Was that a move my scum-Vayne as a response to my Vet claim? That would only be true if scum were seriously in trouble without my lynch on the table. I do not see a scum composition that includes Vayne and that would be in so much trouble D2 they they would need to pull that. Scum are only 1 mislynch from MYLO anyway and they know not to shoot the Vet.

Another reason as to why Vayne is town is because people are not calling him scum. Let me explain: if Vayne is scum then he pulled that move to setup a mislynch other than me. Therefore, he must of purposefully be waiting for someone to “Slip-up” so that he could un-claim and call that person scum. He did that when JAT posted. The fact that is was JAT would have been a bonus for scum-Vayne because several town already thought that JAT was scum. Next question: Why are the people not voting JAT also not attacking Vayne? If you think that JAT is town then you should absolutely think that Vayne is scum who was waiting to replace me as a mislynch target.

What we have instead is Oats calling Malongo scum even though Malongo's response to the claim fits perfectly with his personality. I have been told that Oats is not bad at this game, so if he thinks that JAT is town then he should have been after Vayne (or at least Rayn) who setup JAT, rather than going after Malongo. Also, Oats thinks that Stutters is scum when Stutters is absolutely the most town person in the thread (based on posts before and after the day post) and Stutters is in fact the most obvious NK target anyway.

As for JAT himself, why he still attacking me? From his position he should of questions why Vayne would fake-claim like that and came to the conclusion that Vayne would only do that if I were town. It is as if Jat was told to attack me and did not receive new orders so he just continued to do so.

Clarity is a weird one. It was really scummy the way his end of night post called Stutters and me scum. That put Clarity in a position where he could easily vote for either of us and at the time it looked like I was being setup for a mislynch and that I thought Stutters was scum and would be willing to vote for him D2. Also consider that Clarity was an odd RB target. The only reason to RB Clarity was to make him look more like scum after Vivax flipped. If Clarity is town then he should be questioning which scum would if pulled that move. Clarity defended my Vet claim which obviously gets him some town points in my eyes. On the other hand, if Clarity is town then I would expect him to go hard after Vayne (more likely RB target). This holds more true considering the list at the start of this post because Clarity and Vayne were both positioning themselves to drop an easy vote on me.

If you want to find scum, look at the lists at the start of this post. If you are on one of those lists and know that you are town then you should be able to figure out who the most likely scum are.


I like this post. Saying "people who had a scumread on me n1 must be scum trying to set me up to lynch" is a proper townie mentality.

I'm gonna talk about the roleblock a bit. First lets just get out of the way that I have no crumb, regardless of if I'm blue or vt.
I also think I played pretty fearless. So why did I get roleblocked? I dunno.
What I can tell you that some targets made more sense to roleblock, specifically Vayne, maybe stutters if he's town.
I went back through my own filter to try and find something that might look like a crumb or an indication that I'm blue but I can't find it.

What I can explain though, is why my claim makes no sense as scum.
Two scenarios:
1. Scum doesn't have a roleblocker. Yes, without thinking about it much using roleblock claims to look townie might be a good idea BUT this doesn't hold up. Either I would have to constantly claim being roleblocked or other scum would have to start claiming they are roleblocked. This makes a pattern that'll screw scum lategame regardless.

2. Scum DOES have a roleblocker. So this is assuming that scum decided not to roleblock anyone so I could claim being roleblocked. Problem here is why? Was I in danger of being lynched? I suppose Vivax was putting pressure on me but I didn't think it was all too serious, and even if it was, scum killed Vivax. It also leaves me screwed where I get roleblocked n1 and then I live till much later? Makes no sense.

So I'm town, and I claimed being roleblocked because I was, and that's what you do when you're town and you get roleblocked.

On July 30 2013 22:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Also what are you talking about with the scumslip townslip?


Stutters confirmed not reading the goddamn thread. I was fairly certain you were scum until your reaction to Vayne's fakeclaim. So either:
1. Vayne is scum with you so you knew how to react ahead of time.
2. You're being useless town by not trying very hard.

Seriously it's been brought up many times, it might even be the reason tofu didn't get lynched day 1. How can you not know this shit if you claim to have read the thread.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:27 GMT
#1792
On July 30 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Why is FT confirmed town to you koshi?

Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter.

'
What? No it doesn't.
And saying one person looks scummier than the other does not absolve either.
Unless you believe that, if xrz is scum, FT cannot be. In which case I'd like to hear why
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:38 GMT
#1796
On July 30 2013 23:28 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i just figured out something. Clarity´s roleblock claim basically confirms there is a roleblocker in the game whether or not he is telling truth about being roleblocked. And because of that it is more likely that Clarity is town. Can anyone else see why?


Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also.

Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum?


I'm not sure, I think so.

What I do know is that if Vayne is scum, stutters is scum.
Stutters might be scum without Vayne being scum, though.
I think it's also safe to say that Vayne and JAT are not BOTH scum.

If Vayne doesn't do shit today like day 1 (yes he did a fancy fakeclaim, huzzah) I'm willing to lynch him, he needs to make up for day 1.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:41 GMT
#1800
On July 30 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity vayne is not scum. If he was scum he would have fakeclaimed the check on someone like me or you.


Could you explain? The check on Malongo would seem more genuine regardless of his alignment, Malongo would have been a good check if we have a cop.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:42 GMT
#1801
Lots of past and present tense confusion there in my statement but you get the gist. We might have a cop, a good cop check n1 would have been malongo.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:01 GMT
#1807
On July 30 2013 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lots of past and present tense confusion there in my statement but you get the gist. We might have a cop, a good cop check n1 would have been malongo.

There were a lot of good checks. Basically everyone was a good check as town we have not accepted onto like anyone being town (Oats/Cora to some extent i believe). Vayne was also a one of the best checks, do you think he would fake a check if he was mafia? Have a red check on him and bam, suddenly Malongo is confirmed town (when Malongo if town is mislynch material).


I don't think it excludes Malongo from being scum, if vayne flipped red. But I get your point, maybe it's a bit farfetched.

On July 30 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity what do you think about FT and what me & Stutters & Vivax have said about him?


I just.. fucking... he did the scumslip townslip! Erm, I'm gonna get back to you on this. >.<
It doesn't feel right.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:03 GMT
#1809
Lets just say that stutters make a whole lot more sense to me if vayne was scum. Right now stutters makes no sense. How can everything be so scummy except for his reaction to the scumtrap which is perfect town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:05 GMT
#1812
On July 31 2013 00:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
where's the vig anyway? The thread devolved into shitty one liners again and I got bored. Stopped reading at about the koshi/oats part.

We need a day shot to see who's trying to fuck with us. Please shoot some one already. Don't ask for permission just shoot whoever you think is scummiest.


I recommend shooting Vayne
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:11 GMT
#1816
On July 31 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
no shoot malongo or rayn

Rayn why do I always wanna kill you man.

Ok at this point I have 7 strong townreads.

So therefore the remaining people are scum.

Stutters/rayn/malongo/koshi


You have a strong townread on JAT?

Otherwise I like your list buddy
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:21 GMT
#1821
On July 31 2013 00:20 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:13 Malongo wrote:
On July 30 2013 23:36 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote:
On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have a guilty check on malongo.
awaiting his response!

If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green.


This is a very very strange statement to make. It looks like a forced response believing Vayne's check on him. "If there is no miller..." line looks completely made up. How does one not know what possible roles are in the game. Furthermore let's assume he truly doesn't know the possible roles, why question whether there is a miller, and then your plan of action is dependent upon there being a vig? Why don't you say, "if there a vig, kill me asap."

i'm probably going to vote malongo today just for this response. it looks egregiously bad to me.

You are actively ignoring that hzflak and Clarity confirmed no millers 6 or 8 posts before mine. At that point I had little time to add to much and honestly I have never seen a mafia game with 0 vigis int TL. Have you?. I am ready to answer any questions.

Why did you want the vigilante to shoot you instead of the guy who fakeclaimed a check on you and you know it?

Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". VA has no other chance but to call me out behind a lie. I think all the time VA is blue because of his posting... so if I ask a hit on VA and goes on is a lot worse than a hit on me.


WAIT WHAT
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:24 GMT
#1823
Malongo you're aware no one is allowed to correspond out of thread except for scum, right?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:26 GMT
#1827
On July 31 2013 00:26 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Malongo you're aware no one is allowed to correspond out of thread except for scum, right?

ehm no?¡ last time I played here there were pms going everywhere. As I never really liked pms I dont usually work like that or comunicate with anyone.


Well, this is a no pm game, most on TL are. (didn't used to be)
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:31 GMT
#1838
How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK.
Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:37 GMT
#1846
On July 31 2013 00:34 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK.
Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town?

Player A: hey VA im dt checked malongo he is mafia
VA: o shit if I dont call this out im going to be called out myself
MA is hit
VA:ok player A contacted me and claimed faking this so he is mafia.=> town gets a confirmed mafia.


I can't even start to imagine how this makes sense in a pm game.

On July 31 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:20 Malongo wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:13 Malongo wrote:
On July 30 2013 23:36 exarezee wrote:
On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote:
On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have a guilty check on malongo.
awaiting his response!

If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green.


This is a very very strange statement to make. It looks like a forced response believing Vayne's check on him. "If there is no miller..." line looks completely made up. How does one not know what possible roles are in the game. Furthermore let's assume he truly doesn't know the possible roles, why question whether there is a miller, and then your plan of action is dependent upon there being a vig? Why don't you say, "if there a vig, kill me asap."

i'm probably going to vote malongo today just for this response. it looks egregiously bad to me.

You are actively ignoring that hzflak and Clarity confirmed no millers 6 or 8 posts before mine. At that point I had little time to add to much and honestly I have never seen a mafia game with 0 vigis int TL. Have you?. I am ready to answer any questions.

Why did you want the vigilante to shoot you instead of the guy who fakeclaimed a check on you and you know it?

Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". VA has no other chance but to call me out behind a lie. I think all the time VA is blue because of his posting... so if I ask a hit on VA and goes on is a lot worse than a hit on me.

what? How does player x contact VA?
So much bullshit.


Oats one day you will read the thread before you speak. One day, I believe.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:39 GMT
#1849
##Vote Koshi
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 15:39 GMT
#1851
I'm gonna walk away now.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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