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Vivax what do you think of this ?
hz reaction earlier towards oats is saying that he is scum for defending Paper.
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On July 29 2013 19:20 Vivax wrote:Koshi, I need you to explain something, what happened in between your posts that made you remove JAT from your suspects? Just that post of his I included? + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 02:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So anyway about Vayne, he is playing this game totally different from his sole scumgame on site, serious play there, got into a egobitch fight with marv and yeah. None of that here. At all. Meta says he aint scum.
Of course, he might just be really good and faking the bullshit but I dont see why he needs to draw attention to himself when he can play perfectly competent town when he rolls scum. Again you defend Vayne for some meta bullshit. My current lynchpool 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 13. justanothertownie I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank clarity_nl Oatsmaster I already forgot why
On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:
No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.
I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote +Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote +Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote +
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps
On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 28 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2013 17:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Malongo are you serious right now? Koshi, + Show Spoiler +do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him.... On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Let's talk people that look bad atm.
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You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him. On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now. Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling. Who do you currently want to lynch? In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently. My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make. Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list. Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank
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I already told you once (and a couple other people as well) I came to the realisation that JAT could be new as opposed to be scum.I don't know if it was because of that 1 post or because I decided to look at his filter again.
JAT How many mafia games have you played before? If you say a lot I won't find you suddenly extremely scummy but I will expect a lot more from you next cycle. If you say you are new your opinion will also be judged accordingly. TLDR: please be honest, lying is bad.
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On July 29 2013 19:41 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote:
Why do I really want to lynch paper now? And why do I have a feeling we are heading towards a no lynch? On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.
Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that. Here is the small mistake hzflank made. Here in this comment hz somewhat admits that he knows that paper is town, and he is being scared that when this flip happens, Koshi will use it to prove he is scum. This comment is full off scared scum. No fucking townie would be on the paper wagon so long and make this comment. Why would a townie suddenly doubt himself? Or suddenly be so scared to be lynched for being wrong? hzflank was also lurking during the heat of the lynch. That's another scumtell. Because nothing feels so good as scum to see the bickering of town when they are about to lynch another townie. I know the feeling from nuclear. It's 5 am and I got to go to work in 2.5 hours. Been a while since I woke up i nthe middle of the night and solved a problem. 'Somewhat admits'? You are not this bad Koshi, and therefore you are scum. That was my impression upon joining the game this morning and the only reason why I am hesitant to go deep into it is that I worry I am being OMGUS. I will go properly into it though as at this point you are really likely to be scum. Let me ask you this, assuming that I am scum and that you are town, what was my motivation for making the above post?
Can you read?
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On July 29 2013 19:44 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 19:38 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 19:20 Vivax wrote:Koshi, I need you to explain something, what happened in between your posts that made you remove JAT from your suspects? Just that post of his I included? + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 02:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So anyway about Vayne, he is playing this game totally different from his sole scumgame on site, serious play there, got into a egobitch fight with marv and yeah. None of that here. At all. Meta says he aint scum.
Of course, he might just be really good and faking the bullshit but I dont see why he needs to draw attention to himself when he can play perfectly competent town when he rolls scum. Again you defend Vayne for some meta bullshit. My current lynchpool 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 13. justanothertownie I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank clarity_nl Oatsmaster I already forgot why On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:
No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.
I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person...
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 28 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2013 17:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Malongo are you serious right now? Koshi, + Show Spoiler +do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him.... On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Let's talk people that look bad atm.
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You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him. On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now. Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling. Who do you currently want to lynch? In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently. My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make. Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list. Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank I already told you once (and a couple other people as well) I came to the realisation that JAT could be new as opposed to be scum.I don't know if it was because of that 1 post or because I decided to look at his filter again. JAT How many mafia games have you played before? If you say a lot I won't find you suddenly extremely scummy but I will expect a lot more from you next cycle. If you say you are new your opinion will also be judged accordingly. TLDR: please be honest, lying is bad. Why did you not attempt to clarify your read on JAT by asking him that question before you actually changed your read? Here is where your read changes, but you do not actually question JAT at all. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now.
I could have asked it ealier. But I didn't. Sue me.
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btw hz. Before you plan to tunnel me on day 2. I am thinking of answering a lot of your questions with either unicorns, rainbows and trips to candyland.
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On July 29 2013 19:46 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 19:42 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 19:41 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote:
Why do I really want to lynch paper now? And why do I have a feeling we are heading towards a no lynch? On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.
Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that. Here is the small mistake hzflank made. Here in this comment hz somewhat admits that he knows that paper is town, and he is being scared that when this flip happens, Koshi will use it to prove he is scum. This comment is full off scared scum. No fucking townie would be on the paper wagon so long and make this comment. Why would a townie suddenly doubt himself? Or suddenly be so scared to be lynched for being wrong? hzflank was also lurking during the heat of the lynch. That's another scumtell. Because nothing feels so good as scum to see the bickering of town when they are about to lynch another townie. I know the feeling from nuclear. It's 5 am and I got to go to work in 2.5 hours. Been a while since I woke up i nthe middle of the night and solved a problem. 'Somewhat admits'? You are not this bad Koshi, and therefore you are scum. That was my impression upon joining the game this morning and the only reason why I am hesitant to go deep into it is that I worry I am being OMGUS. I will go properly into it though as at this point you are really likely to be scum. Let me ask you this, assuming that I am scum and that you are town, what was my motivation for making the above post? Can you read? Me being scared is not in the slightest bit consistent with your scum read on me. Your read on me is based on the fact that you think that I am good at playing scum. In addition, If I were scum and I did not actually want Paper to flip, why did I not just switch my vote onto you?
You tried my good friend. Already forgot that?
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On July 29 2013 06:33 hzflank wrote:
Why is Koshi not a lynch candidate?
As far as I can tell, the only good town reason for Koshi's play this game is because he is convinced that I am scum. If he is not genuinely convinced that I am scum then he is likely scum. It's going to be hard for me to be objective, but I think he should at least post a case so that others can read it.
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On July 28 2013 20:21 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 20:11 Vivax wrote:
I do not ignore his content.
I'm just aware that between doing nothing and posting what you call content, he spent his time posting a lot of bullshit, that's also content, and specifically, content lacking town-motivation.
If I post 10 one liners with stupid shit and one line of reads, do you ignore all the stupid shit and only evaluate the line of reads for your purposes or do you also take into consideration that I wasted time posting shit, in forming your read on me? I take it all into account. But the thing is no one can really discuss his trolling with you as there is not much to say about it. Regarding the content that he has posted: There is a read change on Paper for a bad reason, but I could not use that as a reason to vote for Vayne unless I know Paper's alignment. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
Yea it's classic scum play but I've never played with him before so not jumping to any conclusions. Scum are the first ones to make facetious comments like that last post you quoted. We'll have to keep an eye on him at the least. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Low post count is a reason why someone is scummy.
Exarezee, why must you spoil the plan.
Explain the Paperscraps bit from a scum point of view rather than a dude who is joking around.
Cause thats what I see.
it's a subtle character attack that paperscraps is using there to discredit him. Pretty standard scum play. im like 99% sure exar is town just by the way the thread is receiving him. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
no way paper is mafia with how many people suspect him. Tofu is possible given his play in this game so far but gots to see more. Don't give a shit about day 1 usually anyway lalala Vayne thinks that JAT is too useless to lynch but would make a good Vig shot. Again there is no way I can justify lynching Vayne over that at this point. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, try a bit please.
what do you think of justanothertownie? pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him. He tells Exar that he is tunnelling Paper too much, but again that is not useful on its own. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 13:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
Your endless tunneling is giving me doubts exar. At this point you are basically Nick Swardson.
Basically, any case I could make for Vayne being scum is solidly based on association with Paper. As I already think that Paper is scum it would be bad play for me to want to see Vayne lynched before Paper.
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Did you forget yesterday? Or is it today contradiction day?
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On July 29 2013 20:09 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 19:58 Vivax wrote:
Hey flank, where did your fancy JAT scumread go. Off the top of my head, I thought someone should day Vig him to make the day 1 lynch easier. As we approached the vote I thought that Paper and Koshi were both more likely to flip scum than JAT, so it would of been stupid for me to push for his lynch. I was already pushing hard enough for Paper's lynch.. At this point I think that Koshi is much more likely to be scum than JAT. There are also other people that I want to look into. In fact calling JAT scum during this night phase would be too easy for me. JAT looks scummy due to sheeping the lynch early and generally being inactive, but I cannot actually read more into that until I or someone else questions him more.
So you thought me and paper were scum but you made a comment about me going to use paper his green flip to pressure you.
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Vivax. Am I not making sense because in my head I am making sense?
If I am not I should express myself better. Because it is obvious to me that I am pointing out contradictions in hzflank his statements.
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On July 29 2013 20:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:15 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 20:09 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 19:58 Vivax wrote:
Hey flank, where did your fancy JAT scumread go. Off the top of my head, I thought someone should day Vig him to make the day 1 lynch easier. As we approached the vote I thought that Paper and Koshi were both more likely to flip scum than JAT, so it would of been stupid for me to push for his lynch. I was already pushing hard enough for Paper's lynch.. At this point I think that Koshi is much more likely to be scum than JAT. There are also other people that I want to look into. In fact calling JAT scum during this night phase would be too easy for me. JAT looks scummy due to sheeping the lynch early and generally being inactive, but I cannot actually read more into that until I or someone else questions him more. So you thought me and paper were scum but you made a comment about me going to use paper his green flip to pressure you. lololol. There is a very big difference between thinking that someone is scum and knowing that someone is scum. Especially on day 1. You said he was voting PS so he could push you in case he turned up town, which is nonsensical for someone who thought PS was scum. You know my half-a-dozen scumreads, if you want to help me get a better read of you, could you give me your opinion on them?If they aren't your scumbuddies it should end up being unbiased and you have nothing to fear.
Almost correct. It is nonsensical that hz believes that I and Paper both are in the same scumteam. And hz believes that I am voting paper because I think he is town.
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So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town
Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player.
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A scum player on the other hand
1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise
2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town
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It is so obvious. But I am bad. So why listen to me.
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That's what I thougt. If you this is not your first game you are doing some chezinu level of trolling here.
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So what do you think of post 1 and 2 on this glorious page 60 JAT?
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Ok sure. Remember it please.
Try to find reasons why we are both scum outside the "you guys are bussing each other" because it is generally more likely scum will ignore each other. Or have some interaction but not go as harsh against each other as we are currently doing.
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