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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
 .Rayn and JAT probably scum. JAT is definitely a smurf and not new. FT is town. Let me explain. Lets say he is scum and looking through exarezee's filter who he knows is town. He has to look carefully and read carefully. Now on first glance, the scumslip may look like one but FT knows its not a scumslip cause exarezee is town so he never posts it. Lets say FT is town and looking though exarezee's filter. OH SHIT SCUMSLIP. POSTPOSTPOST. oh wait not a scumslip. Yeah. FT is town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 29 2013 11:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck you are bad Oats. So im bad for being right on at least 1 read so far? I dunno man. Why didnt you ask why i thought you were scum? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 29 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: So im bad for being right on at least 1 read so far? I dunno man. Why didnt you ask why i thought you were scum? Because i don't care as you are bad and wrong. Now i'm going to bed. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Oatsmaster - Has about 25% of the posts in this game. When Oats posts shitton he is town. Is also making sense. Seriously, why the fuck are you so mad? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. Vivax's unvote looks like scum trying to cause a no lynch, but I highly doubt scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves unless they had a back-up plan. Vivax's filter also feels really town to me aside from the part where he votes me for finding him suspicious. Null rayne's play is consistent with his town meta. He's been all over the place, much like me, and switches his reads on the fly. I don't like his reads and I think they are scummy, but his behavior doesn't seem like something scum would pull. Null-slightly scum hzflank has been pressured by koshi and malongo quite a bit and has chosen to sit in the sidelines for the majority of this game. I'm going to filter dive him and see if there's something I missed. I'm currently looking at him very closely. Leaning scum exarezee had a very townie approach to the lynch and stayed with his reads the entire game. Although much of his early game posting was scummy, I think he has redeemed himself with his behavior somewhat. However, with the flip, I'm going to have to look at him in detail. I'm not willing to clear him yet because the flip does incriminate him a little bit. Null-slightly scum JAT had a very suspicious delurk timing today. I can't help but feel he's laughing his ass off while vote out a townie, only to pop into the thread as soon as night begins to make himself look townie. Scum | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote: HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town. Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case) I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before) But as scum? THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote: I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
I've been involved in 3 games of mafia in the past week (I am Corazon, if anyone missed my smurfslip). The first one was my own game, I Swear 2. I spent a lot of time waiting on the queue and making all of the QTs and doing everything a host needed to do, only to have scum play like absolute crap (almost on purpose, their plan was to buddy each other and hope the town wasn't using their brains) and to basically concede after D1. Z-BosoN purposefully leaked the scum team to the town and then proceeded to post the scum QT in the thread. I was really pissed and then really disappointed to see that no one agreed with my call for a ban. I had spent all that time on the game just to see it last one day and be really boring. The second game was Bluelightz's game. Since it is ongoing, I will be brief. I spent 2 days getting bullied by Oats, getting trolled by the hosts, and then getting tunneled by a replacement player who did not even read my filter and just kept tunneling me and borderline started to bully me until I was finally mislynched after having a mini-meltdown on that thread. That really got me angry. And then there is this game. I tried to roleplay a little bit, but then I realized that I hadn't watch the Pirates of the Caribbean movies in 6 months and forgot Jack Sparrow's manner of talking. I was doing really well until I smurfslipped like an idiot, and then proceeded to let frustration at everything that has been going on out and ragequitting. I really should have not reacted like that, except everything had just gotten to me at that point. Lastly, there's the RL issues. Basically, my friend of 5 years basically bailed on a concert we were supposed to go to together. When I called her out on it (because she had been doing this repeatedly to me), she basically said we weren't close friends and that she had drifted apart from being friends with me. This hurt the most, and led from me being happy Corazon to sad Corazon, which made all the frustrating things even worse. I'm sorry I acted like that, and I will try to put it past me and carry on with the game. My sincerest apologies, Corazon | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
For now, I just got Assassin's Creed 2, and I need something to distract me. After I play for a bit, I will get back to playing mafia. | ||
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote: Here is the small mistake hzflank made. Here in this comment hz somewhat admits that he knows that paper is town, and he is being scared that when this flip happens, Koshi will use it to prove he is scum. This comment is full off scared scum. No fucking townie would be on the paper wagon so long and make this comment. Why would a townie suddenly doubt himself? Or suddenly be so scared to be lynched for being wrong? hzflank was also lurking during the heat of the lynch. That's another scumtell. Because nothing feels so good as scum to see the bickering of town when they are about to lynch another townie. I know the feeling from nuclear. It's 5 am and I got to go to work in 2.5 hours. Been a while since I woke up i nthe middle of the night and solved a problem. really good find | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
also Rayn plays the same scum or town. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 29 2013 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote: FT, get off your tunnel of exarezee. If no one agrees with you, are you super town genius or wrong? also Rayn plays the same scum or town. I'm not tunneling him. I don't even have him as confirmed scum like I used to. I just think the flip incriminates him because he was the instigator of the lynch. Are you saying he's 100% town? Doubtful. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 29 2013 13:55 FirmTofu wrote: I'm not tunneling him. I don't even have him as confirmed scum like I used to. I just think the flip incriminates him because he was the instigator of the lynch. Are you saying he's 100% town? Doubtful. The flip makes him even townier. If exarezee flips scum, I will be incredibly blown away. What's your view on ryan? Also my analysis of your play after you found the scum slip is accurate or not? | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
First of all, the discussion leading up to the lynch wasn't much of a discussion. It was a bunch of people trying to force their scumreads down each others' throats, and was really chaotic and not very helpful to the town. It also did not help that many people decided to talk about things unrelated to the lynch and other random lynch candidates. VayneAuthority and Malongo MUST explain their votes. They look really bad, especially because we only barely managed to get enough votes to lynch Paperscraps. They're hipster votes basically show that they do not care about the lynch and they are not trying to scumhunt. I can forgive Oats for hipster voting because he missed all of the buildup to the lynch, and he basically has to hold on to his JAT read because that's all the scumhunting he has done. I feel like my vote is ok because when I left the two wagons were PS and JAT, two people I did not feel like lynching. Rayn's last vote also looks really scummy: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Paperscraps Fuck you all. Chance of success 5%. If Rayn thought Paperscraps was town (or at least 95% town, coming from that post), he should not have voted for Paperscraps. Why is a no-lynch better than lynching a townie? You don't lynch your town reads solely in the interest of getting a lynch. How is his vote a town motivated one? I really don't see how. Why was Paperscraps lynched again? He really seemed to be getting into the game towards the end. There were so many other players who were playing scummier than him. Paperscraps looked to be cooperating and trying to defend himself. Perhaps if he hadn't been tunneled and had not needed to defend himself since the get-go, he could've had some time to develop some better reads instead of posting every 2 minutes in an attempt to defend himself. VayneAuthority, Malongo, Stutters, and Koshi all looked really scummy on D1. Way scummier than Paperscraps. Perhaps if we had not gone into the crazy argument set on 1 of 3 players being lynched, we could have made a better lynch decision than Paperscraps. Stutters' play really has me confused. He's going through this random personal vendetta against me, but he's not giving any specifics. He just goes on and on about how my play hasn't looked very townie, yet fails to explain the reasoning in-depth or provide any evidence to support. His erratic voting pattern also has me a bit worried. It really looked like he switched over to FirmTofu in an attempt to get his name off of the PS lynch, yet switched back over when it looked like a no-lynch was going to happen. That looks really fishy. The same goes for Vivax and his voteswitch timing. He was the last vote off of the Paperscraps wagon and onto the FirmTofu wagon. It looks like it would be too obvious for scum to do, but with WIFOM, any vote switch shenanigans can be used as fair game. I don't want to put the "too scummy to be scum" seal on his voteswitch because he hasn't exactly been a "model town player". That's all I have for now. I'm sorry if it looks like a jumbled up mess, the words are just being blurted out on the page as the thoughts come into my head. Tomorrow, I will look through FT's filter, Clairty's filter, and Hz's filter to see if I can get any better reads on these players. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 29 2013 15:43 Oatsmaster wrote: The flip makes him even townier. If exarezee flips scum, I will be incredibly blown away. What's your view on ryan? Also my analysis of your play after you found the scum slip is accurate or not? I just posted my thoughts about rayn in my previous post. The analysis is accurate because I am town but I don't think that's a very good way to confirm people. Maybe I wouldn't make that mistake as scum, I don't know. I'm inclined to think that I could make the same mistake as scum. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
glad to have you back! | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I wanna lynch stutters so fucking much right now. On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote: I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch? On July 29 2013 08:57 Stutters695 wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Paperscraps Still open to switching if 8 people are here. Uhuh. Stutters, why so scum man. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 29 2013 17:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Cora why must you explain things all so scummily man lol. I wanna lynch stutters so fucking much right now. Uhuh. Stutters, why so scum man. What's scummy about that? | ||
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