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On July 29 2013 09:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
Hey I said anyone except paper! oh well.
Gj, you did nothing to push a better lynch, instead you voted another townie.
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On July 29 2013 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I wouldn't even talk about this shit if you didn't call me scum for what I did.
It's a massively retarded assumption that I would take this risk in my relatively good position, and that without outcome. I don't think you are in a "relatively good position".
Precisely, I wanted to achieve that all along, that was my master scum plan, that is what you're suggesting.
I wasn't in a bad position, only guy wanting to lynch me was vayne.
Desperate scum play requires desperate situations, that situation wasn't desperate at all for me.
I made it abundantly clear that I thought PS was townie, and only cause I have grown a bigger pair than you, I have attempted to save him from lynch.
If anything, what you and stutters did fits more into the profile for how scum would try to gain cred. Try to start a bandwagon that is doomed to fail anyway, switch back, nothing changes, you look better.
Meanwhile, you were crying that PS was oh so townie, but alas, we can't no lynch. Grow a pair and do it if you think he's 95% townie, dumbo.
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On July 29 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 09:57 Vivax wrote:On July 29 2013 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I wouldn't even talk about this shit if you didn't call me scum for what I did.
It's a massively retarded assumption that I would take this risk in my relatively good position, and that without outcome. I don't think you are in a "relatively good position". Precisely, I wanted to achieve that all along, that was my master scum plan, that is what you're suggesting. I wasn't in a bad position, only guy wanting to lynch me was vayne. Desperate scum play requires desperate situations, that situation wasn't desperate at all for me. I made it abundantly clear that I thought PS was townie, and only cause I have grown a bigger pair than you, I have attempted to save him from lynch. If anything, what you and stutters did fits more into the profile for how scum would try to gain cred. Try to start a bandwagon that is doomed to fail anyway, switch back, nothing changes, you look better. Meanwhile, you were crying that PS was oh so townie, but alas, we can't no lynch. Grow a pair and do it if you think he's 95% townie, dumbo. Yeah because you fuckers didn't vote for either Koshi or FT until it was too late. Why are you so angry?
Cause I know I'm not scum, and cause I feel I did the right thing, albeit it ended up not accomplishing anything.
Plus, I would like if people judged me on my overall play and not just that stunt. I do crazy shit as both town and scum, and while this was crazy from the point of view of my own safety, I feel that accomplishing a no lynch would have been the right thing.
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Btw Rayn, didn't FT's deadline behaviour change anything for you? I'm fairly sure that makes him town now.
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On July 29 2013 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 10:04 Vivax wrote:
Btw Rayn, didn't FT's deadline behaviour change anything for you? I'm fairly sure that makes him town now. FT's reads were full of shit. All he said is pretty colors and "that might change".
Again, you're looking at the quality, not the motivation. What scum goes all like "wait a moment I'll post my reads" in face of a wagon that's not even that threatening. That was 25 minutes pre-lynch.
Additionally, I don't feel you should be saying his Koshi read was full of shit when he's one of your prime suspects.
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On July 29 2013 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you look only for motivation and not quality? Low quality is characteristic for scum posts..
For scum to display a quality, it first requires a motivation.
That said, FTs "Oh you wanna lynch me?Sec getting reads before i die" motivation is fairly townie in my opinion. At least it's far from something I'd expect scum to do in that situation with limited time. I'd rather expect them to start blabbing about the danger of no lynching and shit.
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Oats, what are your reasons for Rayn being scum?I'm growing suspicious of him just for his compulsive douche push on me:
On July 29 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's also funny that you are now defending a guy you switched your vote on at the last second..
On July 29 2013 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like.. really funny. Scummy funny.
On July 29 2013 09:11 Vivax wrote:
First of all, my vote on Ft didn't represent my current read. I just had to do it to avoid warning/modkill. I actually think FT's read post makes him likely town at this point.
If you're a vigi and want to play "classic" vigi, shoot JAT for lurking at deadline, or shoot Vayne for posting shit all the time, or shoot me for lying about what I did at deadline, preferably, shoot JAT for being lurky scum.
I would appreciate if you didn't do the latter but I understand that you must if you feel you must. I'll do my best to show that I'm too valuable to be shot.
Off to reading D1 again.
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Is anyone here who was with me in LXI? I noticed earlier something about clarity that I didn't further pursue, but his case on Tofu had a sort of tone that reminded me of his case on Sharrant that helped me catch clarity in LXI when he was mafia.
For comparison:
On April 23 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote:Trending topic is oats, and I honestly have no idea. From what I remember he didn't used to be trolly as either alignment. He could be a policy "you're a dick" lynch but there are better lynches out there, like.... SharrantShow nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:29 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sharrant let's end this incredibly useless shit about the policy lynch. I have told the thread why i'm voting for BM, and i'm expecting him to answer me regarding that. We are getting nowhere before we hear from him and this is really useless.
Call my vote a policy lynch vote or whatever, i really don't care before BM comes in and answers. I have only talked about policy lynch stuff when other people have brought that topic up. No, I want to sort this out. If you answer this for me satisfactorily, I will give you a reprieve for a bit. What is your exact reasoning for voting for BM. Give me one paragraph, with your thought process. If it's policy, tell me it's policy and the exact policy. If you have other reasoning for it, please detail that reasoning to the best of your ability. I will be reading and cooking for a while. I know this is a Sunday, but I would really like more people to be active. There's 25 people in this game, and honestly it feels like a mini to me. Thank you to the people who are being active. "If you give me the right answer I'll leave you alone"This irked me, this notion always irks me. If you're "pressuring" by saying exactly what someone should do to get you off their back, then you are not pressuring. This is an easy way for scum to appear to scumhunt with an easy out. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:40 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sharrant:What is your exact reasoning for voting for BM. Give me one paragraph, with your thought process. If it's policy, tell me it's policy and the exact policy. If you have other reasoning for it, please detail that reasoning to the best of your ability. I think there is no reason for a townie to claim miller for the reasons i explained before. If BM was not in fact claiming miller, he should have a damn good reason why he decided to post what he did, because posting (joking?) that as town does not make any sense. I see. I'll wait until Bill Murray is back in the thread before I say anything more about this then, if I feel the need to say anything more. Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion. So Sharrant gets his answer, with the answer being the obvious (and as rayn points out, already said before). "I didn't like the miller claim" That's what Sharrant accept as a satisfactory answer? What other answer could there be? Asking questions that only have one answer, regardless of alignment, is useless. Yet it's easy to skim over these two posts and have it seems as if he contributed. Who posts in a way that seems like they contribute, but don't? Scum do. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:23 Sharrant wrote:
@VivaxOn April 22 2013 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. On April 22 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:@palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo. What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it. Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched. So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy. Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread. Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it. This is the most bothersome quote in Hopeless' filter. It reads to me as if he already knows Vivax is town, so he's not thinking about the play in every possible scenario. If Vivax is town: The play is indeed somewhat reckless, but it also has some degree of accuracy. Mafia generally will float towards their QT at the beginning to check out their new toy, and coordinate. This is not fool proof, but is at least grounded in logic, and offers a decent way to focus your search during the first day. If Vivax is mafia: The play is bad. He's given out several townreads (which always sticks in peoples mind as mafia oriented), and he potentially denies himself opportunities for easy mislynches or he has to go back on his town reads. Whether or not that makes him suspicious to everyone else is moot, because it will make him feel like he's being suspicious and less safe. If Vivax is third party: This is pretty much the same as if he's town as his main goal is just survival, and scum hunting will help in that survival. That Hopeless does not seem to ever figure out why Palmar can attach town value to Vivax's statement, and that he does not seem to have mentally played out each situation is suspicious. There's a more I could write, but as is I would A) like to see more from him so I can see if he follows the same patterns I'm seeing B) I would prefer other lynches over him at this point. When I see more from him I will reevaluate again as to whether he should be more of a priority lynch. I do consider him a good lynch, and likely mafia, but there are others I would lynch before him. Here Sharrant is saying: "Hopeless is doing this thing that makes him scummy, I shall watch him and see if he keeps doing it" Another easy out, telling the person you're "pressuring" exactly what they need to do (or not do in this case) to avoid being pressured more. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:51 Sharrant wrote:
Bill Murray, please get in the thread. Right now almost every single read in this thread runs back to the incident that you sparked, so you best get back into the thread and tell us if you were serious about your claim or not so we can start working things out. More empty threats and easy outs. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:56 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 10:44 ShiaoPi wrote:@ObviousOne: Which post are you referring to? This one: + Show Spoiler +On April 20 2013 14:20 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 13:56 Ace wrote:
*looks at player list*
*shakes head in a bored way knowing he will lynch Bill Murray with ease Day 1* but but....he is EVIL??!!! or this one: + Show Spoiler +On March 25 2013 17:59 ShiaoPi wrote:I actually wanted to /in but then I saw grush and BM in the playerlist.....not again...never again.../obs or if you want a cohost with an East asian timezone, I'd be up for that too  Still got shittons of catching up to do, just saw that as I scrolled over the last page ShiaoPi, at your earliest possible convenience I would like you to tell me how you feel about Raynepelikoneet, TheRavensName, Hopeless1nder, and one person of your choosing. I'll accept as low as one sentence on the first 3, but whoever you choose I'd like you to write something of decent size about. And more.... Not even indicating any read, just asking for reads from another player. More of this: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:28 Sharrant wrote:
Oatsmaster, who are your top 2 lynch candidates today and why? Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:30 Sharrant wrote:
Also, same thing with Yamato, which two people would you lynch right now? Just scattershot. Ask everyone for their opinion and you'll get everyone's opinion. It's not pressure, there is no direction or follow-up with these questions, it's simply a shallow attempt to seem involved. One other thing I'd like to point out is his consistent "I'm here now, I'm leaving now" updates. The comments about him cooking, the promises to look over players later or that he's waiting for more information, or this gem: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:33 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote:On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sup guys. On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? TRN and Palmar are probably town. i was making a joke about his stupid sounding name it wasn't a serious claim whatsoever this is why the internet is not good for tone. And with that, I'm going to bed... Good night, everyone. They all scream insecurity, which is in stark contrast with his "pressure" posts which have an air of misguided authority about them. All his posts scream "look at me I'm active and contributing" without actually contributing, All his other posts scream insecurity. Sharrant is scum.##Vote Sharrant
On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote:
After reading Tofu's filter I am going to have to decline at this point. He actually looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread (or at least my read on him has changed after some rereads of his posts). To me it actually looks like Tofu is trying to open the game up for scum-hunters.
I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu. I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain? Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now. FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: + Show Spoiler +On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, I'm back on a computer. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible.
I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn! This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another. On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...
Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote:
Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if
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2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches. Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing. Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:37 FirmTofu wrote:On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote:
@FirmTofu
I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far. If you're going to wait, then I'm going to have to vote you until you do. ##Vote: exarezeeYou can't simply say you have scumreads and not explain them. "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:31 FirmTofu wrote:
##Unvote
I'm not sure that the case on paperscraps has much substance to it, but at least it's something. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.
Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.
Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town. Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:41 FirmTofu wrote:
I want to hear more from stutters and the people who haven't posted yet. For all we know, the entire mafia team could be in that group of people. This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now.
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On July 29 2013 19:00 Koshi wrote:Vivax what do you think of this ? hz reaction earlier towards oats is saying that he is scum for defending Paper.
Yeah, that's freaking weird.
I initially thought you were overreading that, and that he was saying you were readin PS town as argument against him.
But he's actually saying you want to use PS' lynch against him cause you believe he's town, which makes no sense.
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On July 29 2013 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Well Oats, I'm not a smurf but I will take that as a compliment ... I guess. Yes, I didn't contribute before the deadline because I was fucking tired and everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread. I just critisized Vivax because his unvote looked extremely scummy to me at that moment.
I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home.
People starting a counterwagon on someone other than your scumread is everything went according to plan ?
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Koshi, I need you to explain something, what happened in between your posts that made you remove JAT from your suspects? Just that post of his I included?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 28 2013 02:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So anyway about Vayne, he is playing this game totally different from his sole scumgame on site, serious play there, got into a egobitch fight with marv and yeah. None of that here. At all. Meta says he aint scum.
Of course, he might just be really good and faking the bullshit but I dont see why he needs to draw attention to himself when he can play perfectly competent town when he rolls scum. Again you defend Vayne for some meta bullshit. My current lynchpool 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 13. justanothertownie I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank clarity_nl Oatsmaster I already forgot why On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:
No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.
I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote +Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote +Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote +
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 28 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2013 17:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Malongo are you serious right now? Koshi, + Show Spoiler +do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him.... On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Let's talk people that look bad atm.
justanothertownie
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You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him. On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now. Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling. Who do you currently want to lynch? In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently. My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make. Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list. Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank
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On July 29 2013 19:15 justanothertownie wrote:
They did. But I didn't see them succeeding.
Which are the 4 people you would lynch next, gut-wise?
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I'm getting the feeling that we might be in a game with super active scum, for sure at least a part is.
Clarity, XRZ, hzflank, Rayn, JAT, Vayne are my new suspects with Papers flip in mind. Stutters gives me a fairly townie impression now, and Koshi has actually been very transparent, and doesn't use my voteswitch as autoscum argument like Rayn does.
This is kinda funny, still have to make somewhat conclusive cases on the dudes though.
On July 27 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:Seriously?
On July 28 2013 23:57 Clarity_nl wrote:kinda, lets wait to see what rayn and stutters have to say before discussing it
What I notice though is the way especially Clarity, XRZ and JAT make their cases.
They are all of the sort:
[list]
[*] Quote post
[*] This guy is doing x scummy shit
[*] Quote post
[*] Then he did x scummy shit
[*] Quote post
[*] rinse repeat
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It's the sort of post someone makes when he goes through someone's filter with the intent in mind to find as much scummy shit as he can, and to paint whatever he finds as scummy. This was also my issue with FLANK, the guy painted whatever he found about PS in the worst way possible, even things I considered to be townie, for example his change of mind, and his kinda positive reads on null people.
What I also noticed is that Flank agreed with me on JAT being scummy early in the game, but doesn't give a fuck about him for the rest of the game. He also said he was reluctant to pursue him cause he didn't trust Oats, which is kinda bullshit, I've almost never seen a townier Oats than in this game.
Here are examples for the Case-from-scum pattern I see:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote:
After reading Tofu's filter I am going to have to decline at this point. He actually looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread (or at least my read on him has changed after some rereads of his posts). To me it actually looks like Tofu is trying to open the game up for scum-hunters.
I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu. I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain? Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now. FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: + Show Spoiler +On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, I'm back on a computer. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible.
I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn! This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another. On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...
Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote:
Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if
1) Half the town is lurking
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2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches. Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing. Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:37 FirmTofu wrote:On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote:
@FirmTofu
I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far. If you're going to wait, then I'm going to have to vote you until you do. ##Vote: exarezeeYou can't simply say you have scumreads and not explain them. "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:31 FirmTofu wrote:
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I'm not sure that the case on paperscraps has much substance to it, but at least it's something. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.
Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.
Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town. Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:41 FirmTofu wrote:
I want to hear more from stutters and the people who haven't posted yet. For all we know, the entire mafia team could be in that group of people. This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now. On July 27 2013 13:23 exarezee wrote:I'm getting more and more distressed by paperscrap's posts. He starts off posting ok and it is just deteriorating. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:32 Paperscraps wrote:
Ok, so no one has died yet right? I was a little thrown off by the Night 0.0 and Night 0.1.
LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH. Pretty generic 1st post. I assumed when he said to lynch all lurkers it was a joke. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote:On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...
Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players. 2nd post. A pretty safe post leaving himself wiggle room. Says he doesn't mind voting a lurker because they are a libability later in the game. True, but it's more of a liability to lose the game before we get to late game. Backs it up that it's hard to get a read...reinforcing his idea that it's not a bad idea to lynch a lurker. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 10:38 Paperscraps wrote:On July 27 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
We should lynch the lurker with the least posts. Koshi is clearly not one of them. Clearly.
So Paperscraps, why is Day 1 hard to get solid reads as opposed to other days? As in any other game of limited information. Day 1 has the least amount of material to draw from and thus is harder to deduce a solid fos. As the game progresses and people are pushed off the boat, you can begin to seem "teams" form and motivations for lynches and kills. On July 27 2013 10:33 Stutters695 wrote:On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote:On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...
Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players. So basically you don't have a stance on it? On July 27 2013 09:32 Paperscraps wrote:
...LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH. ##Captain: Captain Jack SparrowAlso, anyone want to make out in a town car with me?  So he knows that we need interactions between the dead and alive to figure out this game. How does he still advocate lynching a lurker? It is basically a waste of a day to lynch someone with few to no interactions. Have the vigilante shoot them for crying out loud or force the scum to night kill them. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets all BW and murder this guy!
##Vote: exarezee Leaves for a bit then comes back with this. I've thrown him the softest of scum leans and he comes back with a 1 liner. Notice how none of his previous posts have been similar to this at all. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 12:43 Paperscraps wrote:Im just going to lurk for the rest of the day, since exarezee has deemed lurkers unlynchable. It is a full proof strategy guys. If you are mafia, just lurk from now on. You won't get lynched. This is just terrible on so many different levels. I'm not even sure how to interpret this. It makes you look scummy at worst or a useless townie at best. I have absolutely 0 idea why you would post this if you were a townsperson. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:snip For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote +Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote +Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote +
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps
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Hey flank, where did your fancy JAT scumread go.
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On July 29 2013 20:15 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 20:09 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 19:58 Vivax wrote:
Hey flank, where did your fancy JAT scumread go. Off the top of my head, I thought someone should day Vig him to make the day 1 lynch easier. As we approached the vote I thought that Paper and Koshi were both more likely to flip scum than JAT, so it would of been stupid for me to push for his lynch. I was already pushing hard enough for Paper's lynch.. At this point I think that Koshi is much more likely to be scum than JAT. There are also other people that I want to look into. In fact calling JAT scum during this night phase would be too easy for me. JAT looks scummy due to sheeping the lynch early and generally being inactive, but I cannot actually read more into that until I or someone else questions him more. So you thought me and paper were scum but you made a comment about me going to use paper his green flip to pressure you. lololol. There is a very big difference between thinking that someone is scum and knowing that someone is scum. Especially on day 1.
You said he was voting PS so he could push you in case he turned up town, which is nonsensical for someone who thought PS was scum.
You know my half-a-dozen scumreads, if you want to help me get a better read of you, could you give me your opinion on them?If they aren't your scumbuddies it should end up being unbiased and you have nothing to fear.
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I thought that Paper was the most likely to flip scum on day 1. I think that it is rare to actually lynch scum on day 1, so that means that I thought there was a 50% or so chance of Paper being scum. I thought that there was less chance of each other person being scum.
I paint whatever Paper does in a scummy light because I think he is scum. I am not going to phrase things like I think Paper is a shining beacon of town while I am pushing a case on him.
As I have already explained in this thread, my early vote on Paper was not meant to stick. I did not intend to tunnel him but I think that his posts were bad enough to warrant me pushing for his lynch.
In no instance you show ANY doubt about Paper, pulling a 50 % chance out of your bum looks terrible, especially in light of the fact you did never listen to any arguments I have shown you for PS being town, instead you tried to use them against him.
If you were really so convinced about Paper being scum, then that doesn't need a 50 % justification.
During the day, you often defended yourself against the accusation that you're tunneling him.
Yet you also said you would paint things scummy cause you thought he was scum.
In summary, you lack the sense of righteousness you should have if you were a townie.
You do cause you realize that the post to Koshi looks terrible, and you need to make something up to justify that you noticed that
Koshi was pushing you, and would have used PS flip against you.
That wouldn't have been your concern if you were town genuinely believing that PS was scum, you would have rather argued that Koshi was bussing his teammate now that he didn't manage to defend him.
Instead you argued that he would have used PS' flip against you.
Now you have to weaken your retrospective scumread on PS to make up for that mistake.
That's my take. Any particular point you think I'm wrong about? Do you realize why I'm suspicious of you?
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Will post some stuff about the other dudes later.
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Koshi, can I have your reads on the other guys I have mentioned please?
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What Flank did in that post wasn't exactly amazing, but so weren't FT's actions.
I think I like his last post, that said, I'll need more time to evaluate Flank's play, andI very probably won't lynch him tomorrow. I prefer focusing on other dudes for now.
That said, Koshi, you have lacked some assertivity in your last posts (some were provocative) and I would like to hear more from you. Who do we lynch if it isn't Flank?
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Rayn, I want you to tell me that thiscase is
1. Scummy, 2. Terrible.
XRZ is basically summarizing points he disagrees about with PS, and using that as reason to push him as scum, then uses any other stuff against him as well. It's not a clean "I think this dude is scum cause I think scum would do xyz and town abc", it's a bunch of posts along with commentary about anything negative they could contain.
If you look at the cases by clarity, JAT and XRZ I posted, you will notice they all have that pattern. The same pattern from clarity's case in the LXI game you also played in, the same case which got clarity lynched (although not just for the pattern, but for some other reasons)..
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