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Ok, first thing I have to do is take my scum accusation on Vivax back. I went through his filter and it looks really, really townie.
Among other, less important reasons because of those:
He defended Paper very early when there was no reason for scum to do so.
He attacked me with a stupid case but backed off a little when he noticed he overlooked something I said.
His logic for the case against xrz looks good. I don't know if I agree with the whole case though (have to look at xrz again before).
He generally makes sense.
The only things I don't understand are:
Why do you compare case patterns, Vivax? Is it because you think one player writes them for the whole scumteam? I think that would be too obvious and very stupid.
I still don't like your unvote. You claim to have not known the fact that Paper still would be lynched at that point and that you wanted to cause a no-lynch. I can't understand this. If you would have succeeded then we would be in the dark for a whole cycle where we can't really analyse based on any facts. I personally find that to be horrible. Besides you would be extremely likely to be mislynched the next day because of your unvote. It wastes a whole cycle...
The only kind of reasonable explanation (at least for me) for the unvote is that you are scum and you knew Paper would still be lynched, so you tried to get town cred/fuck with other peoples minds. I am not sure that this is the case because you are so townie after all and because I have to admit it would be really bold for scum to make this stunt so for now you are town to me, but it's still weird.
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On July 30 2013 03:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
You have some points JAT but why does someone defending a townie early make him town? Scum do it all the time
Maybe, but I don't think that's the case here. There was not much town cred to get because there wasn't a wagon on Paper at that time and on top of that he attacked hzflank for the case on Paper. It just feels very townie to me.
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How do you know nobody has looked? If you don't post your new information why should everyone else do so?
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IF there is good new information...
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You can do the same with a nightkilled townies reads...
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On July 30 2013 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That being said;
If there is a doctor, doc Vivax!
I second this.
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On July 30 2013 06:39 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 06:35 Vivax wrote:
Hzflank, if I had the ability to vig stutters right now, would you agree on it? Hmm, depends if I knew if there was actually a doc on you. I would prefer a Vig to save his shot until day 2 because I have an awesome conspiracy theory. So if you will 100% survive the night I would ask you to save the shot  If you had to fire now then I would not be against a shot on Stutters as he has a reasonable chance of being scum. I think that JAT has a higher chance of flipping scum, but Stutters is up there. If Stutters flipped red then I would want to lynch JAT next anyway though, so I would say just shoot JAT instead.
Mind explaining?
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On July 30 2013 07:06 hzflank wrote:I don't think that your take on Koshi and I comes from a town perspective. It does not appear to be a scum-scum relationship in the slightest and I think that you know something that I do not. Look at the very first conversation that I had with Koshi here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=34#661 That is not scum-scum. Even if you argue that the later day 1 conversation was, the night conversation was not. If you are going to make such a wild claim then either I need to understand how you arrived at that position or I think that you are scum.
It was a gut feeling (Vivax asked me to post it) because at that point my gut said both of you could be scum and I think you would take a fight with your scumbuddy without a problem. If you want a detailed opinion from me on that matter why the fuck don't you ask me earlier? It's like earlier in the game where people like you said I should be questioned and proceeded to not asking me relevant questions ever. I will give you an updated read on the subject when I'm done with Koshis filter. I already read yours and it isn't pretty.
On July 30 2013 07:06 hzflank wrote:
By the way, regarding Koshi and me: It is going to be a mess on day 2. Regardless of his alignment he is going to push hard at me and I am going to have to make a series of long and possibly boring posts and everyone is going to wish that we would both just stop posting. This is not a scum-scum thing.
Very true. It will be like most of your early posts in this thread.
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Im interested in hearing that too.
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First I'mtown then I'm scum now I'm town again?!
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Sorry, can't read. You are still scum on me.
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So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1.
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On July 29 2013 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Gut-wise? I would prefer looking at filters before I post reads again. I was totally wrong yesterday and I didn't have the time to take another close look at the game as of yet.
I know. I blame Vivax for making me post gut-reads.
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Sorry Vivax for posting my townread on you carelessly. But I guess scum wanted to shoot you before that already for the vigclaim and general towniness...
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Wtf hz. I had a lengthy post ready for you. Have to think about this nonsense claim now. I will post tomorrow it is getting to late and I don't want to be too hasty with this.
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On July 30 2013 09:22 FirmTofu wrote:
Wtf I did not expect Vivax to die. This is really unexpected.
Why? It was very obvious to me.
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On July 30 2013 09:14 hzflank wrote:
In my defense, Sent completely changed the role description for the Vig at some point after I signed up for the game. Sorry, I did not go back and read it again.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Ok. Still the most likely scumteam for me is now (if this check is for real):
hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats.
Details tomorrow.
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I would rather think Vivax tried to get mafia off his ass with his attack against clarity. Have to think about that though. Besides OMGUS much?
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EPT
