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On July 28 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Town dont care how they look so they play around right. Scum care how they look so they dont. And therefore because they dont play around, they tend to pick out joking posts as scummy, one part because without context, its scummy so any easy reason, and another part is that they just dont see the joke.
I do not agree with this at all. Playing around is not an alignment tell. It is just as easy to make jokes or think things are jokes as either alignment. It might be a personality tell, but that is all.
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On July 28 2013 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:38 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 28 2013 01:35 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 28 2013 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 28 2013 01:30 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 28 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Let's talk people that look bad atm.
justanothertownie
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come on koshi, I just posted a case lol. How is anyone supposed to know when you spam the next two pages with one liner questions that have nothing to do with your case and you don't follow up? Your case is also pretty poor :o But when you read justanothertownies filter, is he scummy? He's no shining beacon of green but I don't think he has a decent chance of flipping red, no. This post seems to indicate he's town: On July 27 2013 22:23 justanothertownie wrote:On July 27 2013 21:29 hzflank wrote:
One post doth not maketh a townie.
What do you think of Clarity's case on Tofu? Or the exchange between Clarity and myself? I don't like the case on Tofu. That doesn't mean he can't be scum but his Filter looks more like town to me. His vote on exarezee doesn't make that much sense to me but I don't think it is scum motivated. I guess he just tried to get exarezee to explain himself. But as you already pointed out: he should defend himself! Your argument with clarity is actually pretty stupid... I see a lot of nitpicking in it. For example I think the discussion whether 7 minutes are enough to read a page of filter ist pointless as it surely depends on the player. I also don't understand why you are so focused on clarity answering you and presenting his case in the same post. Arguments like this won't help town in any way. I am not entirely sure why clarity started this case on Tofu because I can't imagine he really thinks this guy is scum at the moment. How does that look town when you think the opposite? You say that you are scum? Two town players cant have different viewpoints? That post makes no sense from a scum viewpoint, especially the last line. What scum says "I don't think he believes in it himself" Scum that knows that FT is town?
You are clutching at straws, but if you are going to do that with this post then it is better to consider whether he is scum who knows that Clarity is town. I considered that for a while, but the result was null.
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On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote:
I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously.
The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise.
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On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Oats is really doing his best in this regard...
Too obvious. If scum wanted a messy thread then they would give town reasons to make it messy but they would not do it themselves. Also, Oats' recent posts have made it much easier to get reads on him than his early posts did.
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On July 28 2013 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
His whole filter is generally him trying not to step on anyones toes.
While you may have some points regarding my first post, the above comment is absolute rubbish. Not only have I been happy to step on toes but I have been very obvious about it.
Also, when you say my whole filter, did you miss the parts where I question people in an attempt to move things along?
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On July 28 2013 02:12 FirmTofu wrote:
As much as I dislike Clarity for misrepresenting my words, I am guilty of his behavior as town in past games. I am leaning town on Clarity right now for this reason.
I find it odd that hzflank soft-defended me by talking a lot about how Clarity included a quote from hzflank on his case against me. It feels like hzflank is trying to distance himself from the lynch if I were to get voted, thus firmly establishing himself as an opposing force who wanted to save the townie. The only way I see this happening is if hzflank knows I am town and is acting on that knowledge to make himself look more townie.
Who knows I am town? Scum.
And this is exactly why Clarity and I had that long exchange.
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On July 28 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 02:12 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
His whole filter is generally him trying not to step on anyones toes.
While you may have some points regarding my first post, the above comment is absolute rubbish. Not only have I been happy to step on toes but I have been very obvious about it. Also, when you say my whole filter, did you miss the parts where I question people in an attempt to move things along? wanna quote some post where you step on some dudes toes?
There was basically a whole page of me stepping on Clarity's toes.
Then there was the bit where I pushed Exar into telling us exactly who he thought was scum so that he could not hide behind wanting to lynch two people.
On July 27 2013 23:24 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:21 exarezee wrote:On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum? You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum. Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad. Which of them is most likely to be scum? It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town. But which of them do you think is most likely scum? If I were scum I would love to see a town post that he would like the vote to be between a specific two people. So to me either your post was more useful to scum than to town, or you are scum. I am leaning towards the former, so please answer the question.
I was happy to disagree with Vayne and push him to participate:
On July 28 2013 00:18 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
no way paper is mafia with how many people suspect him. Tofu is possible given his play in this game so far but gots to see more. Don't give a shit about day 1 usually anyway lalala How does multiple people suspecting someone make that person town?
On July 28 2013 00:32 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:31 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 28 2013 00:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, try a bit please.
what do you think of justanothertownie? pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him. Would you mind telling us who you think is scum? Not quite yet. There's no reason to tell, only reason to show in this game as town. No reason to let yourself be manipulated by scum. I only do lists when I think I am about to die at night. No one asked for a list. A name and a reason would be good enough.
I have been more than happy to disagree with you also (Oats):
On July 28 2013 01:16 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Town dont care how they look so they play around right. Scum care how they look so they dont. And therefore because they dont play around, they tend to pick out joking posts as scummy, one part because without context, its scummy so any easy reason, and another part is that they just dont see the joke.
I do not agree with this at all. Playing around is not an alignment tell. It is just as easy to make jokes or think things are jokes as either alignment. It might be a personality tell, but that is all.
Since I became active in the game, at exactly which point do you think I have been avoiding confrontation?
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On July 28 2013 03:50 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote:
Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore? He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now.
Have you read the thread thoroughly? CJS has had more than one good conversation and has been by far the most useful town player in this game. If CJS is scum then he deserves a medal for this day 1 play.
Also, has this exchange with Exar made him look at all less scummy to you?
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On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:
hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground.
Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far.
Oats' read on me was almost the exact opposite of your read on me. You cannot say that you liked the still liked the reasoning for Oats' read on me because he reasoning was mostly not reading my filter properly and a little philosophical differences.
Exactly which Oats reads and posts were great? What do you perceive Oats' 'comprehension of what is going on' to be?
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On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:
hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground.
On July 28 2013 15:39 Paperscraps wrote:
Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well.
Why? What was it about my filter that made you change your mind?
I can certainly see you changing your mind because you realised that you made a mistake when you wrote your list post.
What this looks like to me is: Bad scum is scared to post so he lurks for a long time and then posts a list which is all town reads and no scum reads. Bad scum later realises that there was a mistake in his stupid list so he tries to correct it by changing one of his reads without actually providing proper reasoning.
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Oats said that I was deliberately avoiding stepping on toes. You said that I was being abrasive. Those two things are opposites.
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Also, you did not answer any of my other questions.
On July 28 2013 18:03 hzflank wrote:
Exactly which Oats reads and posts were great? What do you perceive Oats' 'comprehension of what is going on' to be?
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You should already know which reads you agree with. You don't have to quote them if you do not want to. Just tell me of the top of your head, it's fine.
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So what is up with the Oats + Paper + Vayne circle jerk? These guys have all acted like the have strong town reads throughout the entire game and I would go as far as to say it looks like they may have been carefully defending each other throughout the entire game.
Can anyone other than Oats and Vayne give me a good reason to move my vote off of Paper?
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Totally. So I will tell everyone where I am at the moment:
I did not intend my vote to stick on Paper and thought that there was a very good chance I would move it once he started to post. But then his posts changed my mind. He is both playing like scum (lots of town reads, no scum reads, mimicking sentiment) and his posts were inconsistent regarding reads. His best answer was that he had not properly read the thread and as a responsible player I cannot just let that be a good defense unless it is obviously true.
I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum.
Now I am of the opinion that unless something changes then Paper has a better chance of flipping scum than anyone else. Therefore, I would personally like to lynch Paper today and have a hard look at associations after he flips.
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On July 28 2013 19:06 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, if anyone suspecting me could write a short summary for the reasons or point me to a post where they have written such, I'd be grateful. Rereading the game now.
Couldn't I get anyone warm for lynching a troll? Guess this forum will never learn.
Vayne has posted some content between his trolling. If you are going to push a lynch on him then I would suggest basing it on the content rather than the trolling. Lynching someone for trolling and ignoring the content that they have posted is just flipping a coin and I do not think that coin flipping is the best move at the moment.
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On July 28 2013 20:11 Vivax wrote:
I do not ignore his content.
I'm just aware that between doing nothing and posting what you call content, he spent his time posting a lot of bullshit, that's also content, and specifically, content lacking town-motivation.
If I post 10 one liners with stupid shit and one line of reads, do you ignore all the stupid shit and only evaluate the line of reads for your purposes or do you also take into consideration that I wasted time posting shit, in forming your read on me?
I take it all into account. But the thing is no one can really discuss his trolling with you as there is not much to say about it.
Regarding the content that he has posted:
There is a read change on Paper for a bad reason, but I could not use that as a reason to vote for Vayne unless I know Paper's alignment.
On July 27 2013 13:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
Yea it's classic scum play but I've never played with him before so not jumping to any conclusions. Scum are the first ones to make facetious comments like that last post you quoted. We'll have to keep an eye on him at the least.
On July 27 2013 13:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Low post count is a reason why someone is scummy.
Exarezee, why must you spoil the plan.
Explain the Paperscraps bit from a scum point of view rather than a dude who is joking around.
Cause thats what I see.
it's a subtle character attack that paperscraps is using there to discredit him. Pretty standard scum play. im like 99% sure exar is town just by the way the thread is receiving him.
On July 28 2013 00:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
no way paper is mafia with how many people suspect him. Tofu is possible given his play in this game so far but gots to see more. Don't give a shit about day 1 usually anyway lalala
Vayne thinks that JAT is too useless to lynch but would make a good Vig shot. Again there is no way I can justify lynching Vayne over that at this point.
On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, try a bit please.
what do you think of justanothertownie? pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him.
He tells Exar that he is tunnelling Paper too much, but again that is not useful on its own.
On July 28 2013 13:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
Your endless tunneling is giving me doubts exar. At this point you are basically Nick Swardson.
Basically, any case I could make for Vayne being scum is solidly based on association with Paper. As I already think that Paper is scum it would be bad play for me to want to see Vayne lynched before Paper.
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On July 28 2013 20:27 Vivax wrote:Good that you mention that stuff, didn't even read his filter since i wrote the above posts. Guess I'll get off Vayne if he keeps it up. Also good that you mention Paper. I want to discuss him some more with you since you snapped on him pretty early. Tell me if those parts of his list of reads seem scum motivated to you: Show nested quote +CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now.
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Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
These reads do not seem scum motivated to me (no hidden agenda that I can see).
I think that CJS is likely town so his read matches mine except for different reasons. CJS is actually not role-playing that much, but instead seems to be playing a good town game with a tiny bit of roleplay on top.
I am not sure about Koshi, he also seems to be playing a little odd, but I am not confident enough in his alignment to give him a town read.
Overall, those reads by Paper are fairly generic and similar to what I perceive to be general thread sentiment. Paper could of made those reads as either town or scum.
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On July 28 2013 20:30 Vivax wrote:
hz, what's your current read on justanothertownie?
That's a really good question. When Oats made his case against JAT it was actually a pretty good case and I was a little surprised that it did not gather more support or at least positive comments. JAT's filter starts bad and does not get a lot better.
I think the reason that I have been giving JAT the benefit of doubt is because for most of the game I really have not trusted Oats. I did consider moving my vote to JAT but I wanted Paper to post before I moved my vote.
Looking without any associations then JAT seems like scum to me.
In fact, the thing that confuses me most about this game so far is that more people did not vote for JAT and then Oats moved his vote off of JAT when he did. I am not going to be able to figure out why this happened until I see some flips, though.
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