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I actually really want to lynch JAT.
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On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote +TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote +
Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.
Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff).
Im quoting Oats here, from his case cause I think it's already an accurate argument.
justanothertownie thinks its not a joke. But he doesnt explain why scum would do it, summerizes Paperscraps actions and just says its scummy. Scum take jokes seriously cause they play the game seriously.
Similarly, this also applies to his last post:
On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote +Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote +Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote +
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps
He basically quotes the guys he disagrees about and uses that as argument that PS is a good lynch. Of these, he only shows different opinions on Vayne and koshi in the same post.
I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good?
Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers?
JAT seems to disagree with PS's read that Oats is town, yet I don't see a single instance in JAT's filter that suggests that he thinks Oats is scum. All Oats is guilty of is attacking JAT initially.
JAT's reasons look like a load of bollocks, and we should lynch him.
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On July 29 2013 05:22 Koshi wrote:
Vivax
You don't think JAT is new to the game?
Is he?
Even if he was, it still wouldn't explain why he lists Oats as read he disagrees with but never attacks him.
If he's town and deliberately not openly talking about the players he finds suspicious, but lists them as not-town as means to attack somebody else, then he must be not just super newb, but super newb not wanting to play or solve the game.
Koshi, you included him in your list and then retreated from it, mind telling me what you initially found scummy about his first two posts, and what changed your opinion later?
On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 04:19 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT, thoughts on justanothertownie? Give me some time yo. Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now.
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On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him.
Explain that bolded part to me. When you assume somebody is scum, shouldn't you be more acquainted with his reasons to push his suspects? You are supposed to find out if his cases are on townies, and pushed with scummy arguments.
That said, is it possible you didn't get an opinion on your scumreads' scumread while analyzing him?
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On July 29 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax what do you think about FT?
I really didn't like his questions to me, they looked like loaded questions of the "Why do you beat your wife" sort, and him saying he doesn't think I'm scum after finding me extremely suspicion was also boggling, to say the least.
Being presented with the scumslip thing and the way he pushed me I was left with a rather townish feeling, plus the fact that he wasn't staying in a comfy tunnel as XRZ was trying to suggest to me.
Your take on my arguments against JAT?
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Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself.
It's funny, Tofu, you actually bring some good arguments to the table (the "vote for me if you want" one), except for the reads. Do you automatically assume that wrong=scum?
What makes me curious is that you want someone who is scummy to redeem himself? Is he scum or is he not scum? If he's scummy and you think is scummy, why exactly do you want him to redeem himself?
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On July 29 2013 05:41 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote:On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. Explain that bolded part to me. When you assume somebody is scum, shouldn't you be more acquainted with his reasons to push his suspects? You are supposed to find out if his cases are on townies, and pushed with scummy arguments. That said, is it possible you didn't get an opinion on your scumreads' scumread while analyzing him? I got a little lost there, I read it as: you want me to elaborate more on Paper right?
Yes. You think hz is scum, but your read on his scumread is null. That implies you didn't read your scumreads cases, which is pretty weird for you if you didn't. What exactly did you read of hz that makes you think he's scum if you don't agree or disagree with his case on PS?
If hz is scum as you say, his case on PS should show some fallacies or scummy traits somewhere, no?
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On July 29 2013 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax talk to me. What are your current thoughts?
I can tell what my last thoughts were: If PS, JAT and FT are all scum then this game was ezpz. I was also tempted to add malongo as fourth cause his null read on PS was really weird since FLANK was pushing the guy all the time.
Of the three though, I'm most confident into lynching JAT.
Will see if I can find some more arguments soon, after I've finished watching a movie.
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On July 29 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
There's been no one trying to lynch anyone other than FT Paper and JAT today, at least nothing else got traction.
I'll consolidate, obviously, and rayn has a point about Malongo as I read more of his other games, but this is bitter.
I'm not so sure about Vivax, I've had him as null all day and vayne's case is 90% meta, so let's give him another day.
I guess out of those three I would prefer Paper...? I mean his wagon started early and he has looked scummy (although more bad than scum), plus he probably has the most association attached to him which'll help day 2.
I felt like Koshi was getting scummier and scummier but the way he's just insistently and badly pushing for an hz lynch just makes no sense to me from a scum perspective.
Vayne's case is not just only meta, it's also saying things without proving them by quoting my posts.
Especially the trivial things part is interesting. Does he think any argument I brought up so far is trivial? I'd like to hear which one.
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Rayn, what do you make of PS pushing JAT.
I'm more sure of JAT being scum than PS, and that makes me pretty doubtful.
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Jesus fuck why can't we lynch JAT.
This is a bit from PS which I find pretty townie. HZ actually used this as point AGAINST him, which was one of the points I found myself disagreeing with.
The change of mind shit after rereading is something rather townie imho.
Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well.
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Rereading I actually find that part of my case on JAT was wrong. He said this to Oats, but I missed it.
You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case.
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On July 29 2013 07:46 Paperscraps wrote:It is a decent post, slightly biased through the lens of hzflank who already at that point scum reads me. You are seeing what you want to see in my posts. I could defend every point you made against me, but right now I don't think that would be beneficial since I am beginning to town read you again. We could go into the psychology of mafia and how people want to think their first choice is right, but really you should realize with all the flak I am getting from everyone right now, the chances of me flipping scum is very low. I am all alone here, this is day 1. Tofu made a pretty big shift in the recent pages, going from totally being against my lynch to voting me. I am not saying I don't have reasons to be voted with what everyone is throwing at me, but it doesn't seem like a natural shift at all. Where did his backbone go? Does he not scum read exarezee anymore? Is exarezee bussing me now? A closer look at Tofu right now would be great. @anyone How much time until the deadline?
I agree that Tofu's switch was everything except good looking.
He doesn't seem to fight much for his own reads.
Can you tell me what you thought were those amazing reads from Oats that made you townread him in your list post?
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On July 29 2013 07:55 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 07:51 Paperscraps wrote:On July 29 2013 07:48 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 07:46 Paperscraps wrote:It is a decent post, slightly biased through the lens of hzflank who already at that point scum reads me. You are seeing what you want to see in my posts. I could defend every point you made against me, but right now I don't think that would be beneficial since I am beginning to town read you again. We could go into the psychology of mafia and how people want to think their first choice is right, but really you should realize with all the flak I am getting from everyone right now, the chances of me flipping scum is very low. I am all alone here, this is day 1. Tofu made a pretty big shift in the recent pages, going from totally being against my lynch to voting me. I am not saying I don't have reasons to be voted with what everyone is throwing at me, but it doesn't seem like a natural shift at all. Where did his backbone go? Does he not scum read exarezee anymore? Is exarezee bussing me now? A closer look at Tofu right now would be great. @anyone How much time until the deadline? I'm BUSSING YOU? Say WHAT? I am putting myself in Tofu's shoes. What is he thinking to have voted me? His shift from being against my lynch to voting me was too sudden. It is scummy. He has been all about lynching you exarezee, then is now voting his scum's scum read. That doesn't strike you as odd play? I'm still confused as to who is bussing who. Bussing = mafia throwing another mafia under the bus right? Who do you think is doing this.
What he meant imo is that FT thinks you and Paper are both scum, and that PS says that Tofu is supposed to ask himself if it makes sense for you to bus Paperscraps.
A good point imo.
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Rayn, I went through your koshi stuff.
Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should.
It really seems like something weird to say to your scumread when it offers you to defend itself against some points you just asked to be paid attention to.
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Consolidating.
Man, this D1 was fucking tough. Too many people I'm not used playing with.
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On July 29 2013 08:19 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a 95% feeling this lynch is gonna be a mislynch. I'll be back in 15min. Now sauna. Wait, what happened in between the last two pages that shifted your read so dramatically? You were pursuing Paper and now suddenly you think Koshi is confirmed scum?
Do you think it's even worth considering that Rayn could be scum?
What happened to your XRZ scumread actually. PS asked a good question: Why do you think it's so likely that XRZ is bussing PS so early?Cause that's what your current reads foot on.
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For the record, I don't find Rayn's switch scummy at all.
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On July 29 2013 08:23 Koshi wrote:
Let me explain how rayns thinks:
Koshi tunnels hzflank.
I think that hz is town.
Koshi must be scum.
I will tunnel Koshi.
My play looks perfect town.
No.
Koshi has HZ scumread.
Koshi asks people to consider Malong's points against hz.
HZ asks Koshi if he wants to hear what he has to say.
Koshi says no.
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I'm actually with Rayn on this one.
I'm willing to do a switch to either FT->JAT->Koshi .
In sum, the shit FT does is becoming too much. His questions to me were scummy, his switch to PS was fucking weird, and I don't like at all how he is so willing to let loose of XRZ.
Koshi last cause he's a bro.
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