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On July 28 2013 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:I know right Vayne ^^. So FT. Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm null on JAT right now. He has me as a town read but a lot of his filter looks like he's trying to "fit in". Like he said himself, his filter isn't that big. I think if we get him to start positing more, it'll be easy to determine his alignment.
No, I would not lynch him today Oats. Not unless you make a good case against him. He says that JAT having a town read on him is a town tell. What the fuck. Then he goes on and says the scummy part of his filter. Apparently they cancel each other out. Also, he cares more about his appearance than lynching scum as can be seen by the fact that he asks me to make a case. He would sheep me but only if the case is good. Not that JAT is scum. Totally wrong mindset here. Lynch him.
No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.
I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there.
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Malongo is playing oddly different from his town games. Usually he lurks and is completely useless. I'm not sure what changed this time around.
Anyone have any questions for me to answer? I'm gonna try and dive some filters now.
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On July 28 2013 15:39 Paperscraps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey guys, I was busy with my other game, but I'm back now for a bit. I'll answer any questions if you have them. I've going to sleep soon though. Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well.
exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you.
If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly.
Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts.
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Vivax is bothering me a lot. I'll post why in a bit.
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On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible.
I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn!
This first post is supposed to be a bait according to Vivax(see his second post).
On July 27 2013 17:30 Vivax wrote:
Wtf guys.
Did nobody find my post scummy? Man I suck.
Fuck lurker lynches. Lynch scum.
##vote stutters
This is so off...isn't it? He just said "fuck lurker lynches", but then votes a lurker. What? Either way, this could just be a pressure vote, working as more bait.
Moving on...
On July 28 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:
I'd say the best nuggets Vayne provided so far were gifs, pics, trolly stuff and a post about his scum meta.
That said, I endorse his lynch for today, and stutters' lynch as second option actually cause I can't tell if he's really busy or scum, but I know Vayne wasn't busy and still posted trash.
I suggest you all realize that D1 has serious potential to end up in a crapshoot, and that RNGing a lynch makes it more likely to hit scum than finding scum according to mafia database statistics.
I'm an adamant supporter of using D1's as vig shots in lack of a better lynch, and I'll admit it: In this spammy, short post and trolly town, I'm kinda still lacking of reliable clues on who could be likely scum, hence I propose we get rid of Vayne for posting shit. Jack Sparrow at least is improving when asked to.
Bolded relevant. He's flip-flopping on his stance on lurkers again. Is Day 1 a crapshoot or not, Vivax? Should we be lynching scum or lurkers, Vivax? Can you please be more clear as to where you stand on this issue?
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On July 29 2013 02:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Don't assume I'm quitting. I'm not in a good state to play right now. I will be back after the deadline with a FULL explanation of why I'm acting this way. I'm sorry to everyone but I can't handle playing right now.
Sorry I lynched you in Bluelightz...
Hey guys, I'm just about caught up. I find it extremely suspicious that Vivax has not read/answered my questions about him. Vivax, any reason you've been avoiding me?
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On July 29 2013 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 02:35 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 02:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Don't assume I'm quitting. I'm not in a good state to play right now. I will be back after the deadline with a FULL explanation of why I'm acting this way. I'm sorry to everyone but I can't handle playing right now. Sorry I lynched you in Bluelightz...
Hey guys, I'm just about caught up. I find it extremely suspicious that Vivax has not read/answered my questions about him. Vivax, any reason you've been avoiding me? Yes, I'm human, I'm not at home, I can also be lazy, and I focused on my scumreads. Is anyone who didn't post anything about you scum now?
I didn't say you were scum, not sure how you jumped to that conclusion. Here is the quoted post.
On July 28 2013 15:56 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible.
I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn! This first post is supposed to be a bait according to Vivax(see his second post). Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 17:30 Vivax wrote:
Wtf guys.
Did nobody find my post scummy? Man I suck.
Fuck lurker lynches. Lynch scum.
##vote stutters This is so off...isn't it? He just said "fuck lurker lynches", but then votes a lurker. What? Either way, this could just be a pressure vote, working as more bait. Moving on... Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:
I'd say the best nuggets Vayne provided so far were gifs, pics, trolly stuff and a post about his scum meta.
That said, I endorse his lynch for today, and stutters' lynch as second option actually cause I can't tell if he's really busy or scum, but I know Vayne wasn't busy and still posted trash.
I suggest you all realize that D1 has serious potential to end up in a crapshoot, and that RNGing a lynch makes it more likely to hit scum than finding scum according to mafia database statistics.
I'm an adamant supporter of using D1's as vig shots in lack of a better lynch, and I'll admit it: In this spammy, short post and trolly town, I'm kinda still lacking of reliable clues on who could be likely scum, hence I propose we get rid of Vayne for posting shit. Jack Sparrow at least is improving when asked to. Bolded relevant. He's flip-flopping on his stance on lurkers again. Is Day 1 a crapshoot or not, Vivax? Should we be lynching scum or lurkers, Vivax? Can you please be more clear as to where you stand on this issue?
You have no excuse to avoid this now.
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On July 29 2013 02:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +This is so off...isn't it? He just said "fuck lurker lynches", but then votes a lurker. What? Either way, this could just be a pressure vote, working as more bait. This is getting into semantics on what constitutes a lurker, but I voted stutters cause he posted a loaded question that was in no way useful for finding scum, and then fucked off. Now he claimed being busy, but I voted him cause I found that part scummy, not cause of some category I put him into. Show nested quote +
Bolded relevant. He's flip-flopping on his stance on lurkers again. Is Day 1 a crapshoot or not, Vivax? Should we be lynching scum or lurkers, Vivax? Can you please be more clear as to where you stand on this issue?
I think we should lynch lurkers, not scum. Hope this illustrates the value of your question.
Okay, I'm just trying to break this down to try and understand your thought process.
Your first post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=4#79
Stance: Lynch lurkers
Second post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=9#171
Stance: Lynch scum
Third Post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=9#174
Stance: Lynch scum?
Stutters is "scum" not a "lurker" to you: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=177&topic_id=422720
Stance: Lynch scum
"Vayne would be a good lynch, maybe even better than Stutters": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=23#444
Stance: Lynch lurker/fluff poster?
"Now I want to lynch rayn too":http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=32#636
Stance: Lynch lurker
"PS might not actually be town?":http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=33#645
Stance: Lynch scum
And finally, your recent post responding to me is of 2 minds. You say you voted stutters because you found him scummy. Then you say you want to lynch lurkers today, not scum.
I'm sorry, I don't think I'm following at ALL.
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On July 29 2013 03:12 Vivax wrote:
Tofu, I have a question. Who do you think fits the profile of a lurker right now?
As of this moment,
rayn
Malongo
Koshi
vayne
JAT/stutters/Paperscraps are borderline.
If I wanted to lynch a lurker today, it'd be Koshi or rayn, possibly Malongo or vayne. Koshi has just been posting lists of other lurkers(note the irony) which is completely useless. rayn hasn't even posted jack shit.
Can you respond to my post now?
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On July 29 2013 03:17 exarezee wrote:
Let's assume you are town and have labeled someone else scum and do a filter of their posts. You find a post by theirs that you think is really bad and will lend support to your cause. Would you not be excited?
Fixed. Your logic works both ways.
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@exarezee
I want to know why you think Paperscraps and I being on the same scum team is so unlikely. You still haven't justified that logic. Why is it that you would drop your case on me if Paper flips scum?
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On July 29 2013 03:21 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 03:20 FirmTofu wrote:On July 29 2013 03:17 exarezee wrote:
Let's assume you are town and have labeled someone else scum and do a filter of their posts. You find a post by theirs that you think is really bad and will lend support to your cause. Would you not be excited? Fixed. Your logic works both ways. of course it works both ways. You just agreed with my point. We should not give you MORE town cred for what you did.
I do agree with it, lol. I don't think that behavior warranted town cred at all. However, I'll take what I can get. I'm town, after all.
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On July 29 2013 03:24 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 03:22 FirmTofu wrote:
@exarezee
I want to know why you think Paperscraps and I being on the same scum team is so unlikely. You still haven't justified that logic. Why is it that you would drop your case on me if Paper flips scum? why don't you filter through my posts? i've explained that at least 2-3 times.
I've read it. I don't understand it. Could you please explain it now? I'm sitting here, willing to listen.
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On July 29 2013 03:18 Vivax wrote:
Dunno, I got the feeling he's suspecting me as well, not that he's tunneling you and only you withou considering new evidence.
@Tofu
I don't get what's hard to follow. I say what I find scummy about whom, and I want to lynch people who exclusively post bullshit and sows with ducklings, and people who don't post jack, especially D1 should be used to do the latter.
I don't have an internal switch lurker lynch/scum lynch, I have a "get rid of liabilities and lynch scummy people" mindset, that's all. If I switch target frequently it's cause I adapt.
I'm going to leave you alone until the flip because I don't think you would be a good lynch today. I'll be watching you, though. Your behavior feels slimy to me.
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On July 29 2013 03:28 exarezee wrote:
You two have drawn too much attention to yourselves early in Day 1. It is pretty bold when there is no N0. It requires very careful coordination to both soft attack/accuse the same person who if he turns up town will put some pressure back on you eventually.
It's just not likely for scum to do this kind of thing. Let's suppose a scum starts the initial vote on someone. It's very rare that another scum will immediately jump onto that ship.
Fair enough. I still think you're scum. This reminds me of my newbie game with hzflank where I tunneled scum and no one believed me. We ended up lynching all the other scum first because everyone thought my scumread was too abrasive to be scum. History repeats itself.
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Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee.
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On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.
Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it.
Explain to me how he's town.
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On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?
On July 28 2013 00:12 exarezee wrote:
Let's look at their summarized sequence of interactions with me and assume they are both town. If you can explain to me their logic in this bizarre sequence, i will acquiesce.
Tofu attacks me about the lurker talk.
I give a scum lean on papers.
Tofu votes me because I did not provide a reason for my scum lean on papers.
Papers comes back to thread and drops a vote on me. No reason is given.
I provide my reason on papers.
Tofu unvotes me and casts suspicion on papers now.
Papers unvotes me.
Papers plays off his posts as jokes.
On July 28 2013 00:26 exarezee wrote:
So the next question to me is: Well exarezee: What did they do that don't make sense to you?
I don't understand why tofu was debating lurkers with me.
I don't understand why tofu put a placeholder vote on me.
I don't understand why papers dropped in and put a vote on me.
I don't understand why tofu unvoted me and soft accused papers when i soft accused papers earlier.
I don't understand why papers unvoted me.
What I find really odd is that you stopped attacking me after I made my case on you. Am I correct in assuming that my case on you made me more town to you?
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EBWOP: That last post was a response to exarezee's request.
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On July 29 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also FT, why is your stance on JAT so wishy-washy?
Because I don't really have a read on JAT. I'm not sure what to think of him at all. I could look over him again if you want. ATM he's basically null to me.
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