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I already see my mistake typing that we should go after hzflank over anybody else. Obviously I am ok with going after Stutters/FT/JAT if that makes you people give me some more cred after this day.
I can only keep repeating that I am not scum.
I would suggest to not go after FT today, he was just like me in a million association cases by hzflank. If you don't want to go hzflank, go stutters or JAT.
This is being my last line of defense. So rayn/cora can't say I didn't try anything to prevent my lynch as town.
I know I played bad, but you should have lynched me over XRZ day 3 if you thought that. Or lynched me Day 2. Why wasn't I even talked about suddenly in day 2? Just being kept alive by scum/randomness to keep me around for moments like this.
Lesson: Kill bad town on the day they are bad. Don't take them with you for a rainy day.
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On August 02 2013 05:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
nah exarzee went full retard there. Hz was trying to protect him from dying tonight but he's too dumb to realize it, just like his dumb last second claim
hz thought XRZ was the cop. Not Rayn.
This is one of the last posts by VA. I was looking for something else but couldn't find it.
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Rayn, I am also really really really hoping that you have a greencheck on Cora.
Cora is 100% town because of that.
But convincing him that I am not scum is going to be haaaaaardddddddd.
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On August 03 2013 06:37 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 08:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Alright, it's close enough to the deadline. I'll post some reads:
First of all, Rayn is scum because he resisted a Malongo lynch for so so so so long until it was obvious that his lynch target was not going to die. His cop claim is really sketch, especially with a Vayne check. Why would a cop check Vayne, and why would he claim cop just to get Vayne to vote for him? (He still hasn't answered this, he called out Vayne for bad town play yet he did not need to claim just to get Vayne to vote for FT. It doesn't make sense). He's just shitting up the thread with random-ass nonsense about how Oats is scum based solely on meta and how I'm scum by association with Oats. The logic is simply not there and it's obvious to me that he is just making cases to look like he is scumhunting.
Secondly, I want to look into Stutters some more. I'm still not convinced that he is town. His play until D2 was really fishy, and he dodged the setup speculation question that I gave him. He still worries me.
In the category of town reads, I'm only pretty secure on giving town reads to Oats (because he's not caring about the lynch or anything at all, what's new?), Clarity (because he has played a very focused game and is actively trying to solve it), and XRC (for being cop and getting Malongo lynched). The rest I'm still feeling null on, and if I don't die, I will work on splitting them up into town and scum. Cora's last post before the day post. Rayn is fake-cop scum. Clarity is town (scum have roleblocker). XRZ is cop. hzflank is null (make fake claim vet?). I don't even need to tell you what I think about this.
YOU WERE THINKING THE SAME THING HZ. SO FUNNY.
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On August 01 2013 09:25 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:24 Koshi wrote:
Wait, where am I now on the scale of town 1 --------- 10 scum Well you are a heck of a long way behind Rayn, and Still a very long way behind Stutters. After that I do not know. You are not confirmed town, though.
On August 02 2013 04:23 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 04:15 exarezee wrote:
you all look fucking scummy to me: clarity, hzflank, oats, koshi, tofu.
only good town reads atm for me are: rayn, captain jack, vayne.
slight town lean on JAT Then you have no idea how to find scum. How the hell do you get strong town reads on those three people? Vayne and GJS were right to vote for Mal early, but you need to look at their reasoning. heck, Vayne was not even voting for Mal because he thought that Mal was scum. As for you having a strong town read on Rayn...why are you so quick to believe that there are two cops in this game? Sure it is possible but it is not likely (there is no framer or miller). CJS has barely been active and has spent the entire on N2 throwing useless shit at Rayn. Rayn has done a bunch of scummy stuff this game and all people are talking about is meta and things that do not even prove Rayn is scum. You think Rayn is town and Clarity is scum? So you think that town has 2 cops and scum do not have a roleblocker? wtf.
On August 02 2013 22:43 hzflank wrote:
Also, if FT is scum the green check on Cora makes sense. FT (and Koshi and XRZ) were too willing to switch vote from FT to Cora. If FT scum then Koshi is probably scum too, but can get to that later.
I need to put a lot more thought into XRZ before I give a read on him.
Look how hz thinks during the night. This combined with my earlier post that hz tried to "save" XRZ during the night because XRZ is the cop.
1) hz believes rayn is scum and that XRZ is the real cop. I am not even close to rayn being scum.
2) hz criticizes his townread XRZ for thinking rayn is town.
3) hz believes the rayn check and says I am scum based on association with FT.
There is much more things like this in hz his filter (remember my first case, his illogical thinking back then). hz is the leader of the scums.
Please remember that somebody like Paper got lynched, this was great work by the scumteam. Biggest pushers were hz, JAT. Stutters casually added his vote adding he had no problems going somebody else. Malongo bussing his teammate with me is interesting but was it to discredit me? I don't have prove for that.
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On August 03 2013 05:04 hzflank wrote:
If Exar is not scum:
Oats
Clarity
CJS
Rayn
Stutters
hzflank
Koshi
Tofu
JAT
Exar
I am surprised that Koshi, Tofu and JAT do not think that Exar is likely scum.
This is a very early association case. But do you people see?
So when XRZ is not scum the people that don't think he is scum are scum. HOW THE FUCK? This is another shitlist by hzflank. I fucking fell for all this shit.
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On July 30 2013 09:02 hzflank wrote:
If there is a Vig will you please just shoot me right now
I know that some of you will think that this is a terrible play. Considering the setup a day two mislych is likely to be really bad for town. If the NK has gone through then we need 7 to lynch. Three people have already said that want to lynch me today and at least two others think that I am scum.
People will probably think that I should just man up and play standard. However, I was the person who pushed hardest for the lynch on town on day one. There is going to be an attempt to lynch me today, and in order to thwart it I need to be a driving force in lynching someone else. If I do that and accidentally target town then I am going to have a really hard time defending myself on day 3 and scum will likely win. So sorry for being a pussy but I am making this play.
I am claiming Veteran. If we have a Vig and he can shoot me now then we will be confirmed town to each other. We will be confirmed same-alignment to the rest of the town and they should think that we are both likely town, especially if there is no second Vet or Vig.
Sorry if this is a terrible play, but I think that it has a reasonable chance of making it more likely for town to win the game. I could not wait until later in the day as I cannot risk the only Vig using his shot on someone else (if we even have a Vig).
If we don't have a Vig I realise that my Vet claim is not great. But to be honest, there would have to be a drastic change in the game for me to be a night kill target any time soon. I realise that I have put myself in a bad position for a Vet role, but if Paper flipped red then I thought I would be a good NK target. Also, you now know why my tone has been more aggressive than usual this game.
If it's worth anything my silly super soft-doctor claim during the night was an attempt to draw the night kill. I doubt that it will have worked.
If there is no Vig then take this as you will. It would probably be null to me but that's for you to decide.
On July 30 2013 10:43 hzflank wrote:From my PoV this is also solid town: Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 09:05 Stutters695 wrote:
No no no Hz. Sent said in the thread vets die to the vig Scum would of laughed their asses off if a Vig had killed me.
The only treath to his fake claim. Good thing that a "townie" fixed that for him. Ohhh, you will see this play in the scum QT after this game.
Fucking afk Stutters 5 minutes after hz his fakeclaim
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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This is it for now. If Cora/Rayn are thinking that it is not sufficient then there is not more for me to do. I can find more shit on hz if you want probably. But is it going to help?
I would LOVE to lynch hz now because I am 100% certain about him. But I know you guys are like 99% certain that I am scum and that my team are the other baddies/afkers so ...
But come on give me the benefit of the doubt. Rayn/Cora please. Do you think I would play this way in a scumteam that is Malongo/Koshi/FT/Stutters?
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On August 06 2013 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait, explain why hzflank would fakeclaim vet in the first place as scum?
Look, there were multiple people thinking he was scum, he knew that all those people were town so he panicked a bit during the night. Look at how it worked out. Perfect?
Is it normal that town has a vet compared to a roleblocker?
Hz knew already that they had a roleblocker. So he can think that there are 2 roles he should be blocking, so that a veteran is unlikely. Let's say that scum only has RB + 3 goons. hz also knew that they had only 1 kp. I am thinking that with scum extra information he knew he could claim vet. So the only problem might have been a vigi but Stutters made sure that the vigi wouldn't shoot him.
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D:
But scum has been hunting after that fact. That there are 2 roles. So it does make sense that scum knows that hz is not a blue role?
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The vayne kill was a perfect example of scum thinking that XRZ is cop, rayn nothing and hz nothing.
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On August 06 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote:
The vayne kill was a perfect example of scum thinking that XRZ is cop, rayn nothing and hz nothing. hz nothing meaning hz fakeclaimed vet or is scum? I DONT GET IT. Arguably, vayne was the sanest useful town member at that point. STOP WIFOMING THAT NIGHT KILL. It didnt work yesterday and it wont work today man.
To clarify myself.
If hz is scum, he thinks that there are still 2 blue roles out there. He thought (as I proved before, that rayn was fake) so he RB on XRZ and kills vayne.
Or he kills vayne because vayne is a strong player and he wanted him death, and he roleblocks XRZ because he thinks rayn is a fake call.
But let's drop the wifoming around that then... I never took the Vayne nightkill into consideration for believing hz is scum.
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I don't know then. For me he took a chance because he saw many towns were pressuring him.
Why would he claim as town really? Because he would have to defend himself? Look how active this guy is. If he knows he is town let the scummies attack him, he knows he can counter and point out the mistakes + find scum.
Or claim it when he actually is going to get lynched? Pff. I don't like the claim as town.
Also look at how he played Day 1 and then how he played Day 2. He clearly was shaken by the red check he got during Day 1/Night 1. His day 2 posting was pretty laid back and he asked questions to everybody, something he clearly didn't feel to do when he was almost entirely on Paper day 1. While hz claimed that he was only 50% certain about Paper (which was a lie to get away from my case and the illogical step he made there.). Hz his day 2 was asking a lot of questions to everybody and even during the lynch he was asking shitty questions.
Day 3 was making association cases.
Day 4 is funny to read. Some things are quite hilarious if know hz is scum. Like pushing away question about XRZ lynch because we will talk about it endgame. Or his searching for scum after my lynch. trololol.
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On August 06 2013 23:56 hzflank wrote:Koshi stop messing up the thread. I realise that you are desperate at this point but you already claimed scum. Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town,
I meant if I was in your town position. lol. Ah well.
Cora and rayn. We will see.
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It should be more like:
If there was somebody like me, I don't know if I would defend that guy as a town player, I would blame him for scum as well.
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But maybe you should defend the points I made against you instead of removing my credebility?
You know, because when I flip scum people will be looking for other scummies. The game won't be over like you are insinuating here by not defending yourself.
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Are you dense? This game is over when I flip town?
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On August 07 2013 00:08 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 00:04 Koshi wrote:
But maybe you should defend the points I made against you instead of removing my credebility?
You know, because when I flip scum people will be looking for other scummies. The game won't be over like you are insinuating here by not defending yourself. You just defended for me. If you are town and I am scum then I would of just kept quiet today and let your lynch go through. Instead I have been active and trying to solve the game.
You haven't fucking tried to save me at all today. XRZ on the other hand you reread a million filters.
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Ahh w.e. I shall wait on Cora and Rayn. If they condemn me it is over anyway.
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On August 07 2013 00:19 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 00:16 Koshi wrote:
Are you dense? This game is over when I flip town? Yes, it is MYLO so if you flip town then the game ends. So lets say that you are town and I am scum, why would of made the thread more active today? I would just of kept quiet and let your lynch go through. What I am instead doing is preparing for when you flip scum. Just stop Koshi. All you are doing is running interference to stop me scum-hunting your teammates.
This is also such a scumtell. "why would I do x as scum, as scum I would do y". You only say that shit when you are in that mindset.
The times I did shit as SK and already planned answers like that.
"Why would I just say that Korynne was scum as SK, I would just have shot her"
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