EPTAnother reason xrz claim screwed us :D
Although honestly, by the end of d3 we should have realized it went too smoothly. Everyone was lurking while rayn was spamming and since 6 hours into the day we basically had a majority on xrz.
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Another reason xrz claim screwed us :D Although honestly, by the end of d3 we should have realized it went too smoothly. Everyone was lurking while rayn was spamming and since 6 hours into the day we basically had a majority on xrz. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote: You shouldn't have to get a majority as town, pretty much defeats the purpose of large majority vs small informed minority. Whats the point of having more people if you somehow have to be informed as well? I maintain that majority lynch is an appalling mechanic and I was legitimately confused as to why that was a thing. I've played a lot of mafia games and never seen this before. It's never as simple as "all town have to be on scum for scum to get lynched", since scum will betray its team. But yes, majority is kind of icky (it's also pretty common, don't know how you've never seen it before) | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:41 hzflank wrote: Well if Koshi had gotten off of my back I might of been able to see clearer  Also, I honestly thought Cora was town. I thought that if we had a doctor they claimed a couple of hours before the end of D3 so that we do not lynch Exar. Don't quit mafia hz, you have a mind for it, strong critical and analytic thinking. Yeah, you were wrong about a lot but you got people talking about the right things and if you hone those skills you'll do better every game. You're kind of screwed if you roll scum though. I don't see you emulating this. You'll have to fake being ill or something, lol | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:46 hzflank wrote: The big difference is when I played scum I did pushed a D1 wagon hard but then stopped short at the end so the guy did not get lynched. In this game as town I kept pushing so when he flipped green people thought I was more scum based on the flip. Nah I didn't. As you said, scum stop pushing when the townie they're targeting might get lynched (usually). If I remember it was some stuff from n1 and our very early interaction after my FT case in which you genuinely felt scared. I didn't want to lynch you day 2 though, I wanted to lynch stutters. Can't remember at what point that changed. Think it had to do with all the claims/fakeclaims etc. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:49 s0Lstice wrote: yo i heard you guys like lying as town and making pre-flip connections Pretty much | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:52 s0Lstice wrote: how many games is this for you clarity? like... 5th? I think I played a two newbie minis a normal mini and a heavily themed (chrono trigger) That was all like in 2012 though. | ||
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Am interested to hear your thoughts corazon, and would like to know if your "ragequit" was staged or not. It didn't feel like it so if it was you had me fooled. hz, don't quit unless you really didn't enjoy the game itself, regardless of the outcome | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:39 hzflank wrote: To be fair, how much did association cases affect it? Exar was lynched for his fake-claim. You can call that a bad lynch but I never will. There is no good pro-town reason for making that fake-claim. I made a bit of an association case against Koshi but that is not why he was lynched. My case on Oats did not rely on association. My case on Tofu did not rely on association. The biggest association that I actually made that really hurt is was that Tofu and Stutters are not both scum. It made day 3 pretty unreadable combined with rayn spamming it up. I think you're just gonna need a notepad to scribble this stuff down instead of putting it in the thread. Then after xrz flips you can explain what associations you thought of and why in 1 condensed post. I was actually not too bothered at first at your association posts but they just kept coming. | ||
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On August 07 2013 19:10 Aquanim wrote: I think the original post where Oats referred to it is here but I don't know what posts of FirmTofu he's referring to. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=20#398 and the ones following. Tricked me anyway, although I didn't use it throughout the game to defend him or anything. But it was enough for me to not pursue him day 1. On August 07 2013 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno if you have played in a game where there is a majority lynch, but you really need to push your cases or consolidate with proper reasoning if you are not. 3 wagons in 10v4 at the end of the day is a disaster and will never get mafia lynched. Unless the wagons are FT/Cora and Malongo. LOL I hear you though | ||
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On August 08 2013 00:47 Stutters695 wrote: Yeah, there were a couple instances of "town slips" that I just went WTF, but wasn't going to question it. I would have never called someone town just for my reaction to Vayne claiming he had a red on Mal. If I'm scum with him and with how inactive/scummy he was the only acceptable action is to roll with it. I agree, and I gave your reaction to the claim no weight because of it. With FT however, it seemed genuine, and unless scum actively thinks something like this up and tries to make it seem genuine, scum would never do it naturally. So when it looks natural it looks like town. I hope that explanation makes sense. Like I said, that doesn't mean "ok well he's confirmed now ignore him for the rest of the game" but it made me not want to lynch him day 1. | ||
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On August 08 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote: What it means is that Firm understands playing scum  I agree! Should I put no weight behind something like that at all though? | ||
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On August 08 2013 02:18 hzflank wrote: Marv, want to arbitrate out argument over the fake-claim? Start of D2: Vayne claims red check on Malongo. Everyone questions Vayne, except Rayn who trusts Vayne right away. 1 hour before D2 lynch: Rayn claims cop with green check on Vayne. 40 minutes before D2 deadline, Exar claims cop with red check on Malongo. Malongo is lynched and flips red. N2 Vayne is killed and Exar is roleblocked. Rayn gets a cop check off. D3 a couple of hours in: Exar says he was fake claiming cop. Exar gets lynched D3. Would you of lynched Exar? Its worth pointing out exar's fake cop claim was done while there were two wagons on FT and Cora who (although at the time we didn't know) were both scum | ||
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