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exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 09:37 GMT
#184
It's difficult to ascertain tone and sarcasm and some of these less subtle jokes on the internet. I even indicated I thought paperscraps was joking early on. But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore. Paperscrap's posts were really poor imo for a townie, but I can accept the possibility that he was "not being serious".
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 09:49 GMT
#185
On July 27 2013 17:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 17:33 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 17:30 Vivax wrote:
Wtf guys.
Did nobody find my post scummy? Man I suck.
Fuck lurker lynches. Lynch scum.


##vote stutters


I found your first post scummy before I read all of the following posts. They were so much worse than yours that they made your first post look like a scum trap.


It was kinda designed to lure some response from scum thinking they got an easy target.
But I need to work on appearing scummy, either that, or scum this game is a team of cravens (thx GoT).


You really believe your post had a chance to lure scum? I honestly thought u were just clueless villager, and would wait till you were awake to hopefully address that.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 09:54 GMT
#187
Yea, so apparently everybody who was promoting this lunacy of lynch lurkers were all joking or setting a pretty miserable tarp. Which is why we never needed to go on this path of discussion to begin with.

I like a wagon on paperscraps.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 09:55 GMT
#188
On July 27 2013 18:53 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 11:26 exarezee wrote:
We're obviously not going to lynch a lurker Day 1. To do so would be a terrible play on the collective town's part. If we assume that it's a bad play to lynch a lurker, why are we discussing it? Do you want me to elaborate on why lynching a lurker is bad?

I said I have a slight scum read based on gut instinct and feel. I bunch this together into tonal reads. But like I said, it's very slight as I have not played with the players before. There is no need for me to start throwing evidence on people at the beginning of Day 1 (to be exact there is little evidence). My posts have been much better than some of the fluff already being made. I mean, I can go into more detail why I think koshi and paperscraps have posted more scumlike than others who have posted...but that post can wait.


Most people have now posted and the current discussion is at risk of stagnating. You have already talked about Paper, so unless you have anything to add there would you now be willing to tell us why you found Koshi more scum like than others?


I really didn't like his fluff. That's about it.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 09:58 GMT
#189
I guess I should elaborate. I don't find fluff at all useful for the collective town. It makes the thread bigger, and it just makes us sift through more posts for pertinent information. Posting some fluff along with some discussion aka captain jack is tolerable at least. Posting some fluff for the sake of posting and then disappearing is not. I'd rather he didn't post at all, or just make a "i'm going to bed see you guys tomorrow" post instead.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 12:59 GMT
#220
Can you post some stuff of relevance oatsmaster? All of your posts have been fluff so far. I'm going to re-read the thread.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 13:02 GMT
#221
On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now.


Ok, this post is really bothering me now. Wants to get down to business...but also is bogging the game down with the lurker discussion. Like really pushing the discussion from the get-go.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 13:16 GMT
#223
On July 27 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dunno about FT, that 'mistake' above seems really newbie scum mistake to make.

Clarity, what do you propose I talk about?


i would like to know your scum and town reads as you have talked to several people directly so far.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 13:25 GMT
#225
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.

I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:21 GMT
#240
On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.

I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.


How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum?

You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum.

Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad.

Which of them is most likely to be scum?


It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:33 GMT
#243
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:34 GMT
#244
@Captain Jack

Are you drunk?
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:37 GMT
#248
On July 27 2013 23:27 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:21 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.

I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.


How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum?

You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum.

Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad.

Which of them is most likely to be scum?


It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town.

My question to you is, why are you trying to highlight posts that make you look town! It doesn't help us find scum if you take a post and run around screaming "Guys! I'm town! This is why!".

No. That will earn you a one way ticket into the ocean. Go find us scum, not sit around and proclaim your innocence. It helps no one.

The Kraken is hungry, and I don't think it wants to eat me again. But perhaps it would find you tasty...


I'm not trying to highlight posts that me look town. What are you talking about? Pretty sure I haven't sat around and proclaimed my innocence either. Please show me what you are talking about.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:39 GMT
#249
On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.

Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu?

You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then?


Are you trolling me? I never said that I think they are both scum. If it was voting deadline right now, I'd vote paper first, and tofu 2nd. I don't think paperscraps is as scumy as FirmTofu. WTF? have you been reading my posts or just making things up in your head.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:42 GMT
#251
Yeah, and it clearly says for if i turn up town. Obviously you can disregard what I say if i turn up scum. Where am I trying to proclaim innocence.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:43 GMT
#254
On July 27 2013 23:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:39 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.

Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu?

You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then?


Are you trolling me? I never said that I think they are both scum. If it was voting deadline right now, I'd vote paper first, and tofu 2nd. I don't think paperscraps is as scumy as FirmTofu. WTF? have you been reading my posts or just making things up in your head.

You said that you think at least one of them as scum. So that would mean that you are trying to figure out who is scummier?

I bolded two sentences in your post which contradict each other. You would rather vote paperscraps first, but you think FirmTofu is scummier. Am I missing something?


That statement that you bolded is WHAT YOU WROTE. It's what I'm giving a WTF to.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:50 GMT
#257
On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.

Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu?

You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then?


"But you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu."

Captain Jack. YOU said this! I don't know where you came up with this idea. I never once stated that I don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu.

On July 27 2013 23:39 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.

Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu?

You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then?


Are you trolling me? I never said that I think they are both scum. If it was voting deadline right now, I'd vote paper first, and tofu 2nd. I don't think paperscraps is as scumy as FirmTofu. WTF? have you been reading my posts or just making things up in your head.


"I don't think paperscraps is as scumy as FirmTofu. WTF?" This is addressing what YOU said. All I did was change the pronoun from when you were addressing me to me referring to myself.

I can't even believe I'm having to post this. This is like arguing 1+1=2.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 14:53 GMT
#260
On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.


You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 15:00 GMT
#261
I understand it's probably going to look pretty bad for me and potentially cost the town the game if both paper and tofu turn up town...but it's just crying that one of those two attempted a really poor attack at me in the hopes of garnering a following.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 15:12 GMT
#265
Let's look at their summarized sequence of interactions with me and assume they are both town. If you can explain to me their logic in this bizarre sequence, i will acquiesce.

Tofu attacks me about the lurker talk.
I give a scum lean on papers.
Tofu votes me because I did not provide a reason for my scum lean on papers.
Papers comes back to thread and drops a vote on me. No reason is given.
I provide my reason on papers.
Tofu unvotes me and casts suspicion on papers now.
Papers unvotes me.
Papers plays off his posts as jokes.
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