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On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die.
Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you.
I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility.
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Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks?
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On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility.
I agree.
However, if XRZ knew he was not cop then why did he not call me town? he said Rayn was town and I was possible scum. This makes so sense for either alignment.
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On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility.
Because it´s the only scenario where mafia can assume vayne is a power role. How many times i have to say that? There is no way mafia assumes there are 4 power roles. And because i look worse than XRZ, there is no real justification in killing me and roleblocking him. It has to go the other way around.
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On August 03 2013 01:05 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. I agree. However, if XRZ knew he was not cop then why did he not call me town? he said Rayn was town and I was possible scum. This makes so sense for either alignment.
It makes sense for scum because scum are not logical.
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On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks?
Especially with no possibility of framer or miller. If you happened to get a red check then scum had no out. And just because you said that you would check Oats does not mean that you really would.
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On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks?
so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)?
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On August 03 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. Because it´s the only scenario where mafia can assume vayne is a power role. How many times i have to say that? There is no way mafia assumes there are 4 power roles. And because i look worse than XRZ, there is no real justification in killing me and roleblocking him. It has to go the other way around.
I also still believe there is no roleblocker btw. Just because i am 100% sure XRZ is scum.
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On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)?
BECAUSE YOU CAN´T JUSTIFY YOU LIVING AND ME DYING!!!
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On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)?
And this leads us to:
Either XRZ is scum or scum do not have a roleblocker. But XRZ claimed that he was roleblocked.
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On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks?
I've answered this a thousand times. They might have thought vayne was cop and you were town.
On August 03 2013 01:05 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. I agree. However, if XRZ knew he was not cop then why did he not call me town? he said Rayn was town and I was possible scum. This makes so sense for either alignment.
Does xrz being a vt make it more likely that he calls you town, as opposed to when he's cop?
Like, you're right it makes no sense, but it doesn't make him scum.
There is some stuff that makes him scum, and there is some stuff that makes him town.
But rayn saying it's over and done with and he's figured it out is detrimental to town.
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ok guys.
Im lynching XRZ cause he claimed cop 40 minutes before lynch with a RED CHECK and apparently he is good at the game of mafia.
Nope.
just nope.
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"Yo, mafia killed the cop who was trying to push people away from Malongo lynch D2 and let the cop who got Malongo lynched live".
MAKES SENSE!
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On August 03 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? BECAUSE YOU CAN´T JUSTIFY YOU LIVING AND ME DYING!!!
Yes he can, he just claims to be roleblocked and kills you.
On August 03 2013 01:09 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? And this leads us to: Either XRZ is scum or scum do not have a roleblocker. But XRZ claimed that he was roleblocked.
Walk me through how you got to this conclusion please. Like, why for example can't xrz be scum and FT be a roleblocker.
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On August 03 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. Because it´s the only scenario where mafia can assume vayne is a power role. How many times i have to say that? There is no way mafia assumes there are 4 power roles. And because i look worse than XRZ, there is no real justification in killing me and roleblocking him. It has to go the other way around.
This makes sense kinda, but I'm not willing to say that if xrz is scum, scum's only choice is to not kill you.
We'll gain more information about this next nightcycle though.
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On August 03 2013 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? BECAUSE YOU CAN´T JUSTIFY YOU LIVING AND ME DYING!!! Yes he can, he just claims to be roleblocked and kills you. Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:09 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? And this leads us to: Either XRZ is scum or scum do not have a roleblocker. But XRZ claimed that he was roleblocked. Walk me through how you got to this conclusion please. Like, why for example can't xrz be scum and FT be a roleblocker.
Okay they could, but only if they thought that Rayn was lying about his cop claim. The only good reason for killing Vayne and RBing Exar is if scum had Vayne as a doctor and Exar as a cop. That means scum would have to think that Rayn's cop claim was fake.
That would be a reasonable assumption if Rayn were scum, but we now know that Rayn is not scum because Rayn is cop. Again, the night actions work well for scum if XRZ does not un-claim cop and Rayn gets a green check.
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This is why exarezee is mafia:
exarezee claims a cop 40 minutes before a deadline to ensure a lynch on Malongo. The guy has never played with anyone of us, and definitely has no balls to fakeclaim a cop to ensure a lynch on Malongo. Another possibility is that, given N2 vayne kill mafia believes vayne is a cop, which they can´t believe if exarezee is town. exarezee buys town credit
N2 mafia kills vayne. It makes no sense unless mafia thinks vayne is a power role, which they can´t think unless they know one of the cop claims is fake. My claim is definitely not fake, and mafia can´t think XRZ´s claim is fake because he got mafia lynched. There is no way mafia assumes vayne is a power role unless XRZ is mafia. There is no way vayne is killed unless XRZ is mafia.
After N2 exarezee retracts from his claim and claims roleblocked. This is to justify him living over me later on. He can´t possibly justify himself living if i die otherwise than being green instead of blue.
I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think.
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Unless scum made a big mistake in their blue hunting, they should have knows that Rayn was either cop or scum. Scum know that Rayn is not scum therefore scum must know that Rayn was cop.
If scum know that Rayn is cop then they cannot possibly think that Vayne is blue, unless they manage to guess that XRZ is VT. Scum had no reason to guess that XRZ is VT unless XRZ is scum.
##Vote: Exarezee
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On August 03 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think.
I will concede a bit, the points you and hz combined bring up make sense.
rayn, really, tone it down though. It's hard to take you seriously when you refuse to discuss something and just say the same exact thing 20 times over two pages.
I however do not agree that if xrz flips a red non roleblocker that I am scum, obviously.
I think what does happen though, if xrz flips red, is that one of FT or Cora have to be scum. FT being much more likely.
##Vote Exarezee
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Here's to hoping he flips scum roleblocker to basically guarantee a win.
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EPT
