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On August 01 2013 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:03 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest! Before I start Vayne, lets make it clear that I do not fully trust you as I do Clarity. I have no idea whether you trust me. If you think that Rayn is scum and directed the NK (if he were scum then he would be the one making those decisions) then the simple answer is that he thought the most likely Doctor to save Vivax was Clarity, so he roleblocked Clarity. If Rayn is scum then when he directed the doctor the only good reason to do so was in an attempt to figure out who the doc was so that they could roleblock or shoot them. How would that work? I don't get it.
I am not sure. When I played scum sometimes I was talk about blue roles and look for how people responded. I always took notice to everything said about roles in an attempt to figure out the blues. Once I got a shortlist of possible blues, I went well if this guy is that role then he will probably target player X, etc.
It's all assumptions but I think it is better to attempt to blue hunt (as scum) and to just rng your roleblock.
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On August 01 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:04 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic? So you problem is that i think the other team is more likely to be scum than your team? Do you think that you are more scummy than Rayn then? Also, my vote is subject to change. If you have to lynch me to see what the scum team is, then so be it. I was saying that you are on my "team" right now, so if you were to think the scum team was Cora/me/Koshi, then you would have to add yourself to that list by your own logic.
No because in my mind I am town.
I don;t mean to coach you FT, but sometimes you really need to try to pretend that you are someone else and look at the game from their point of view.
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On August 01 2013 05:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:07 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game. See, now that I have attempted to proxy-Vig you by directing the next NK at you, you are now being useful! This is my third game, I have played 1 before as town. We came back to win from a 4-3 LYLO and I was in the position where I had to make the final decision. We had a player a bit like Malongo in the game and he was town. By the time the LYLO came I managed to get him on side, he sheeped my vote and we won the game. If Malongo is town then do not give up on him yet. The thing is, rayn is now actively directing lynches away from both malongo and JAT, two people that have a pretty high chance to flip scum, which is why I don't know why people are just giving malongo a free pass because of some martyr post. That's one less vote we have now. Id rather lose to good scum play then dumb martyring anyway, so if it gets to endgame and malongo is alive and scum I would be pretty annoyed with whoever is town left.
Fair enough. But if Rayn is scum do you honestly think the chance of Stutters being town is high?
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On August 01 2013 05:17 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:15 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 05:07 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game. See, now that I have attempted to proxy-Vig you by directing the next NK at you, you are now being useful! This is my third game, I have played 1 before as town. We came back to win from a 4-3 LYLO and I was in the position where I had to make the final decision. We had a player a bit like Malongo in the game and he was town. By the time the LYLO came I managed to get him on side, he sheeped my vote and we won the game. If Malongo is town then do not give up on him yet. The thing is, rayn is now actively directing lynches away from both malongo and JAT, two people that have a pretty high chance to flip scum, which is why I don't know why people are just giving malongo a free pass because of some martyr post. That's one less vote we have now. Id rather lose to good scum play then dumb martyring anyway, so if it gets to endgame and malongo is alive and scum I would be pretty annoyed with whoever is town left. Fair enough. But if Rayn is scum do you honestly think the chance of Stutters being town is high? It's not alignment indicative. If rayn actually is scum he does this shit all the time and associates himself heavily with town players since he knows his time as scum is usually shortlived since his play is pretty obvious and he dies early a lot. If rayn actually does flip scum I would not say stutters is necessarily scum, especially given the meta case I presented. It's much more likely that rayn is pointing fingers at some one on his team but not actually voting for them.
But by that reasoning if Rayn is scum then JAt or Mal are just as likely to be town as anyone.
Also, I soft defended JAT on day 1 and I have hard defended Mal all game.
Lastly, tbh I would rather lose to a martyring Mal than to a trolling and lying Vayne! 
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One more thing Vayne: Do you think that Koshi is town?
If so, Koshi was so scared of my potential scum play that it seriously affected the game. I think that you may be a bit scared of Rayn's potential scum play, so do not let it affect your game.
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On August 01 2013 05:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
if malongo is town the game is ruined anyway so might as well get it out of the way.
It would be just like NWM where we got fucked over by gumshoe, and so I didn't really care that we lost since we had trolls anyway. That's how I feel about this game.
Well we can hope that Sentinel PMs him and get him back into the game or replaces him.
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On August 01 2013 05:34 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Vayne, you realize what a hypocrit you are right? No I don't. If you think I'm actively trying to lose the game then you are a complete moron. You can try and say I'm "trolling" or whatever but you just look like even more of a dumbass everytime you say it
No he means that if your only reason for thinking Rayn is scum is his defense of the wrong people, then you should think everyone is scum who defends wrongly. Defending the wrong people does not make Rayne scum.
Or if you only think that Rayn is scum due to meta then you are being a hypocrit like Koshi only thought that I was scum due to meta.
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Sorry Vayne, I did not mean to offend so I wont continue that.
On another note:
Look how hard Stutters is pushing Tofu / proxy defending Mal.
What do you make of that? I actually do not think that Stutters and Mal are both scum. He would not defend him like that if they were as it is he is purposefully being obvious about it.
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Would it be unethical for a mod to pm Malongo and try to get him back into the game?
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On August 01 2013 05:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:43 hzflank wrote:
Sorry Vayne, I did not mean to offend so I wont continue that.
On another note:
Look how hard Stutters is pushing Tofu / proxy defending Mal.
What do you make of that? I actually do not think that Stutters and Mal are both scum. He would not defend him like that if they were as it is he is purposefully being obvious about it. Does it make sense to you that tofu is scum and malongo is town? Why try to move a lynch away from someone that won't give any useful association away (I think anyway, everyone has shit on him at some point)
It's possible. Only if Rayn is town ofcourse. I do not believe that Rayn and FT are both scum, mostly due to the D1 voting. If FT is scum then I could totally see at least 2 of Cora, Koshi and Oats being scum.
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On August 01 2013 05:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Also, if Malongo thought it was a pm game isn't it strange he messaged noone? Maybe he didn't because he is scum and did not want to pm townies while he still had kind of a pm game via the scum qt.
That is a good point, except this is Malongo we are talking about. He is not a very talkative person.
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On August 01 2013 05:57 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Also, if Malongo thought it was a pm game isn't it strange he messaged noone? Maybe he didn't because he is scum and did not want to pm townies while he still had kind of a pm game via the scum qt.
That is a good point, except this is Malongo we are talking about. He is not a very talkative person.
This is how talkative Malongo is in private (speed date from I Swear 2):
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/jWWEuZVaFbUFU
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Cora that was another scummy dig. That's not how you scum-hunt and that's not how you convince town that someone is scum.
I really think it likely that Cora/FT/Oats are of one alignment and Rayn/Stutters of the other. I am not sure which wway around it is though.
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On August 01 2013 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 06:13 hzflank wrote:
Cora that was another scummy dig. That's not how you scum-hunt and that's not how you convince town that someone is scum.
I really think it likely that Cora/FT/Oats are of one alignment and Rayn/Stutters of the other. I am not sure which wway around it is though. You are very right here. Hopefully you figure out the right path when those idiots lynch Malongo and he is town because i have pretty much said everything i have to say and i will soon not give shit about this game any more because of dumb town.
Well there is no point in lynching Malongo then because it will not tell us which path is correct. At least if we lynch one of the people that I mentioned we get some great associations. FT is not my lynch of choice, though.
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Lynching Mal only helps us to win the game if he flips red.
If we lynch Stutters and he flips red it is great, but if he flips green then we can have a good idea who most of the scum team is. Probably FT/Cora/Oats/Koshi. We can just work out which of them is the most likely though and start from there.
We have the least to lose from lynching Stutters or Rayn, and I think that Stutters still has a very reasonable chance of flipping red. Stutters has to be the best lynch target based om that, no?
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On August 01 2013 06:25 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm not so sure. Why is he a better target than Tofu? If Tofu flips red great if he doesn't we lynch Stutters? (theoretically)
Because if Tofu flips green then we have two strong scum suspects (Rayn and Stutters), and a couple of weaker ones (Exar and JAT).
If Stutters flips green then we have better/stronger scum suspects (FT Cora, Oats) and only one weak one (Koshi).
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Vayne and Clarity:
Do you see how lynching Malongo is bad for town at this point? if he flips green we are screwed. Lynch Stutter or Cora with me?
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On August 01 2013 06:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
I have like this list of associations, like, giant list.
Anyone ever do those puzzles as a kid, seating arrangements, x doesn't like y etc.
I feel like I'm missing one piece.
hz why do you not like a tofu lynch?
I would totally lynch FT before Mal. I don't like the FT lynch because Rayn has tunneled him all game. To be honest, Lynching FT/Oats/Cora is similar to me though as they are probably all of the same alignment.
I just think that Stutters is the better choice. Seriously though, one of Stutters and Cora should be scum here.
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Lam is a bad lynch candidate. Cora should not be pushing this hard on a bad lynch candidate, especially since everything in Cora's case has already been discussed and we found plausible town reasoning for it.
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On August 01 2013 06:42 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 06:36 hzflank wrote:
Vayne and Clarity:
Do you see how lynching Malongo is bad for town at this point? if he flips green we are screwed. Lynch Stutter or Cora with me? I won't feel bad at all if malongo flips town because ill just chalk it up to another townie throwing a game around here, which is apparently becoming the norm. If I lynch some one legitimately trying and they turn up green then I feel like shit. so win/win for me here, not changing.
If you are town you should be trying to win the fucking game. Lynching Mal is not the best chance we have at winning the game. Lynching Mal has a very good chance of losing us this game.
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