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Everybody will probably want to know what I think about hzflank
hzflank is still scum for me. After his excellent posting today I cannot shake the feeling he is scum. If you would compare is posting today with that of yesterday there is also a difference. Today he is way more open with his reads on multiple people. Yesterday there was a lot more secrecy I would say.
The veteran claim is a pretty good calculated risk. After the night where a lot of people asked for vig shots there was no response, even if there would be a vig there is a chance that the vig does not shoot because he doesn't feel like it is worth the shot (given how hz made that vet claim) on top of that people would probably have pointed out that the rules were different than in the op.
Now the risk lied in my only in another vet coming out and claim that he was vet. But if there is only 1 kp each night the chances on a vet are low? Also with a roleblocker on scum their is a bigger chance on a doc/cop combo? All this is not just mathematical and don't proof shit.
I don't know. I still think hz is scum but I can promise you I will not make this thread in a clusterfuck anymore and will not tunnel hz at all.
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howly fuck I missed every their/there and other basic stuff. Ah well..
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On July 31 2013 07:59 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 07:53 Koshi wrote:
Everybody will probably want to know what I think about hzflank
hzflank is still scum for me. After his excellent posting today I cannot shake the feeling he is scum. If you would compare is posting today with that of yesterday there is also a difference. Today he is way more open with his reads on multiple people. Yesterday there was a lot more secrecy I would say.
The veteran claim is a pretty good calculated risk. After the night where a lot of people asked for vig shots there was no response, even if there would be a vig there is a chance that the vig does not shoot because he doesn't feel like it is worth the shot (given how hz made that vet claim) on top of that people would probably have pointed out that the rules were different than in the op.
Now the risk lied in my only in another vet coming out and claim that he was vet. But if there is only 1 kp each night the chances on a vet are low? Also with a roleblocker on scum their is a bigger chance on a doc/cop combo? All this is not just mathematical and don't proof shit.
I don't know. I still think hz is scum but I can promise you I will not make this thread in a clusterfuck anymore and will not tunnel hz at all. Why would his "excellent posting" make you think he's scum?
It doesn't, it makes me feel he is town and I am being horrible. The only problem with it is that he was not posting like this yesterday. But today his posting was pro town all the way.
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So, last scumread. This one is going to make a lot of people mad (Stutters for sure) which I should not be doing, remember I am now totally open to being wrong and will discuss reads, but as a reborn good townie I will put this here.
Stutters.
You don't post a lot and the content you posted this game was not good. You started with a case on Vivax that was ballsy but on the other hand not really because Vivax wasn't posting yet, so it was a case on a lurker.
After this your posting is just jumping from FT to Paper to FT to Paper while you had town reads on FT.
On July 29 2013 04:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Anyway, on to why I'm down with the paper lynch.
His post on lynching lurkers was weird. Not committal but that's w/e. Opening d1 is really awkward for both alignments.
What gets me about him is two-fold. First despite his clear protesting about not lynching lurkers and a clear understanding of a pro-town environment he lurks and provides no justification for his play that clearly doesn't match his expected play of a townie.
His reads are also very loose and for the most part do nothing to actually catch scum. It's also a little weird that despite all the controversy around CJS and Firm he doesn't modify his reads from null on them but picks all of his targets from the people he hadn't previously commented on.
On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote:
And on that note, going to check out FT a bit closer.
On July 29 2013 04:53 Stutters695 wrote:
Also Tofu read page 5 and 6 of his filter. That isn't scum responses at all.
On July 29 2013 06:16 Stutters695 wrote:
Continuing with Rayn:
Paperscraps: see my read I posted, I think he's scum, not null.
Malango: no idea, as I explained. Leave him for the vigis imo.
Koshi: I could easily see him being scum, especially after NWM. Mostly a meta read since he always is confusing as fuck and kinda useless. I would lynch him if Paper doesn't get traction but I'm way more confident about him.
FT: I haven't looked at him too much. I'll have to get back to you on that. I had him kinda null but your post makes sense.
JAT is another one I haven't really dove. He could be scum but he's not huge on my radar. He could easily be a misunderstood town. I think we'll see with more posts from him.
On July 29 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote:
We can continue this at night if you want to Rayn, that took me longer than I wanted to type up.
Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch.
On July 29 2013 08:42 Stutters695 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: firmtofu
On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch?
On July 29 2013 08:57 Stutters695 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Paperscraps
Still open to switching if 8 people are here.
On July 30 2013 05:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Cool. I want to bounce some thoughts related to FT off you? What are your thoughts on him? I'm like 90% sure he's scum from some stuff he posted around/after the lynch.
And then you make a case on FT at the start of page 3.
It comes down on Stutters not creating too much content, don't get me wrong, it is better than the 10 pages of content I have been creating but it did make me think Stutters is the 4th scum.
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On July 31 2013 08:25 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 08:04 Koshi wrote:On July 31 2013 07:59 FirmTofu wrote:On July 31 2013 07:53 Koshi wrote:
Everybody will probably want to know what I think about hzflank
hzflank is still scum for me. After his excellent posting today I cannot shake the feeling he is scum. If you would compare is posting today with that of yesterday there is also a difference. Today he is way more open with his reads on multiple people. Yesterday there was a lot more secrecy I would say.
The veteran claim is a pretty good calculated risk. After the night where a lot of people asked for vig shots there was no response, even if there would be a vig there is a chance that the vig does not shoot because he doesn't feel like it is worth the shot (given how hz made that vet claim) on top of that people would probably have pointed out that the rules were different than in the op.
Now the risk lied in my only in another vet coming out and claim that he was vet. But if there is only 1 kp each night the chances on a vet are low? Also with a roleblocker on scum their is a bigger chance on a doc/cop combo? All this is not just mathematical and don't proof shit.
I don't know. I still think hz is scum but I can promise you I will not make this thread in a clusterfuck anymore and will not tunnel hz at all. Why would his "excellent posting" make you think he's scum? It doesn't, it makes me feel he is town and I am being horrible. The only problem with it is that he was not posting like this yesterday. But today his posting was pro town all the way. I don't know man. You can't say he is posting excellently and still says he's scum. He's scummy for improving his posting? What the fuck are you saying?
Yes, that's it. He improved his posting a shitton but blame it on my tunneling before, or my stubbornness, I still have the feeling hz is scum. I will not be lynching hz today (not that I have that power but w.e), nor shall I put pressure on him today. I am just putting a case here and I feel like I need to comment on hz. Telling that he is now town for me because his posting today was town would not be how I feel.
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Quick questions for me left? I will be around tomorrow obviously. But it is getting late.
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Oh probably why I was shitposting.
Don't know really. A part is me testing the waters how far I can get away with it. Some of you might remember that I wasn't doing this a bit in I swear 2 as well in the start but I picked it up in the end due to good town play pushing me. I did it at the start of day 1 in this game and sadly got too emotional trying to prove hz was scum which made no sense, which a really bad thing when you plan to troll before / after being serious.
This morning was me not reading the game, being blind on JAT, and than thinking I could get away with the trolling. When it went sour I just kept going for too long. Meh. Terrible.
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that I was doing this a bit in I swear 2 as well in the start
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On July 31 2013 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you die?
On D2 you have:
1) Yelled how flank is scum but you don´t want to lynch him because you are bad and bla bla etc etc..
2) Told people to vig you, and how you are bad
3) made some random cases on JAT/XRZ/Stutters.
You don´t have a clear direction in your play. You are trying everything and try to see if something sticks.
You are scum. Get lynched.
I probably will get lynched. But I ll try to not trow the game completely before that.
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Good case and I agree with it. I was thinking that all the rayn yelling during was standard rayn but maybe there is something more behind it this time.
On July 31 2013 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, why did you think the check was fake?
Hmm, I started posting without reading. Then I read the part about the red check and posted, then I read about it being fake and posted. Dnu, felt like Malongo couldn't be scum because he was on hz as well. Your question is hard to answer because you could see it as I being drunk yesterday and today you ask me why I did x while being drunk. The easy answer is "because I was drunk".
It's not the best answer but I simply was not thinking yesterday while posting.
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On July 31 2013 16:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
So do you feel the same way about Malongo now?
I don't think there is much to go on about with Malango. I still think he has a really good chance to flip town.
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For some reason Malongo was just like me stuck on hz for the better of Day 1. His case was mostly based on some inconsistencies in hz his play and the fact that he thought paper was town. I do not see scum reasons for pushing hz like this together with me. There was no need for him to put his neck out there with 3 possible town wagons in the running ( I see FT, Paper and hz as very possible town now). So I would call Malongo his day 1 pretty town.
For yesterday:
The reaction towards the claim looked like this:
Vayne you are lieing 100% because there is no way you could have had a red claim, I don't see a way to prove vayne is lieing so please let a vigi shoot me now so we can trade 1 v 1.
The whole PM misunderstanding is not a way a scum player would go to to explain his actions. I truly believe he was thinking that there were PMs being used.
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So if he would get vigi shot, Vayne had to bring up his lying source or VA was the liar himself. Malongo could live with the 1v1 trade.
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On July 31 2013 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
But why would you not read the OP.
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU BUYING THIS EXPLANATION??
koshi totes scum.
You are saying that both me and Malongo are scum? And we were both making cases on hz while there was a perfect good Paper wagon for us to be on?
We would be playing pretty bad as scum.
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Why are so many of you of the opinion that Malongo, FT and me are scum...
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On July 31 2013 17:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
btw this game is getting dumb, I raged yesterday and although I'm not so sure Koshi is scum I still want to lynch him.
Yeah.
Although if there miraculously is a vigi out there SHOOT KOSHI NOW KTHX
There wont be a vigi. I guess there is a big chance of Cop/Veteran.
So you think JAT is town?
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Yes, we are bad. But if you are town it is your job to find the scummies not the baddies.
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On July 31 2013 17:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 17:40 Koshi wrote:
Why are so many of you of the opinion that Malongo, FT and me are scum... ask yourself
It's based on a shitton of associations. Look at XRZ his post about it.
On July 31 2013 04:28 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Koshi, FT and Malongo are scum. I am starting to lean on scum on Cora.
What do you guys think? my scum team is koshi, ft,malongo, clarity.
On July 31 2013 04:30 exarezee wrote:
if koshi flips scum, i'm autovoting mal the next day. if mal flips scum, i'm autovoting tofu. then i have a dilemma.
if koshi flips town, i probably just concede the game and blame it on koshi.
This is just fucking bad townplay and too many of you are thinking like it. Snap out of it!
I will be telling you people for another 16 hours, I am town. So when I flip, partially blame yourself.
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I already did? I think JAT and XRZ have a very good chance to flip scum.
JAT would be a really good lynch for today.
As 3rd and 4th I could see Stutters and Rayn now.
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