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On July 25 2013 17:40 Gotard wrote: /out /obs jk /in | ||
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On July 26 2013 08:08 Xzavier wrote: I need to teach myself half a semester of calc in 6 days :/ ill /in if ut doesnt start by then Half a semester for me is like 4 hours of learning. | ||
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reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts. Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right? DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town. Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good. reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense. Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town. Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to. Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote: So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum. IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people? | ||
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On August 01 2013 00:58 Holyflare wrote: I agree with your Gotard read, he straight out voted for infii mid discussion about other peoples suspicious activities after infii posted some reasonable claims. He is either trying to draw the conversation away from other people who are suspicious (ie. scum move) or he is playing very bad town. Gotard, I'd like to hear your defence for this action by the way, and I also want to know your suspicions on everyone else to this point. Your posts have been slightly lacking in the evidence basis and your straight up call out on infii raises you to the top of my suspicions list right now. Look at his 1st post. This is a useless list. Almost everyone is neutral. His argumentation is super weak. Zero quotes. Nothing. If you think someone is scummy put some effort into it. Posting like that is an easy way to fake some contribution which is scumy. On August 01 2013 02:15 infii wrote: Then why don't you just lynch everyone e.g. in alphabetical order? Every lynch will give you crucial information, right? We are awaiting your defense btw. Because it doesn't make much sense to lynch people randomly... Do you really expect that you will be 100% sure that someone is mafia before lynching that person? | ||
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On August 01 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote: Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right? Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides. Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most. "There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town" There is no way you can agree with that sentence. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:56 infii wrote: In which way did I say nothing? My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M. The no-analysis thing was meant as a side note to clarify my thoughts on it... "My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M" On August 01 2013 05:56 infii wrote: That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town. Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy. No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree. If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:29 reps)squishy wrote: I don't know what made me a bad townie people. I read guides watched the mafia meta (like Alakaslam wanted me to do) and people that bandwagon tend to be mafia to I voted Usami. The favorite to get lynched right now is me. I did not know being a newbie came off as scum which was my biggest blunder. My newbie claims were truthful and my responses have not been the best with all the pressure of being center of the spotlight in my first mafia game. By night time if I am not lynched I will have a far greater chance to improve and help the town out. There's is still a lot of time left until deadline. You can't panic and posts like "oh", "Happy?" or hue hue picture doesn't help and are not pro town in any way because all they do is taking away all of the attention and you lose your chance to create good content. Your defense so far is "hello i'm noob! Hue hue! happy? no? eeh!? I read some guides don't lynch me!". If you are pressured you need to prove your innocence not by crying for help but by being useful for town. Read guides, read your filter. Do you think you are pro town? I don't think so. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:06 DeusXmachina wrote: We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis. It sounds like to hazard to me. You can never be sure if someone doesn't have free time, doesn't feel like reading thread/filters or anything else but if you will find something interesting, who knows? | ||
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On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote: Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil. When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step. Look at that post: On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote: I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy? On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people? | ||
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On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary. Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting. On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M. Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness. On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: Umasi: He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day. You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well. Alakaslam: He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town. Why defending reps isn't scummy when "his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town". How can we support each other if we don't know who is town? We need to pressure and find scum not say "Hello my friends I love you all and I shall support you even when you look scummy as fuck!". | ||
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Why reps flipping town indicates that Umasi is mafia. | ||
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On August 02 2013 02:40 StiMaDDict wrote: @Gotard: you stated that your vote on infi was a pressure vote. Is your vote staying on infi because you find him suspicious after his response/defense? Yeah I'm staying with my vote. I hate when someone make excuses like this: On August 02 2013 00:24 infii wrote: Do I really have to explain every single thing in full detail? When participating in discussions I'd expect from the participants at least to be able to think on their own. This is what scum want to do: Interpret post in a way that will make town scummy and purposely hide certain context of post and exaggerate stuff than might be scummy. Writing one-line reasoning helps to achieve that goal. You need to share your thoughts you can't assume that someone else thinks in the same way or is clever enough to catch certain scummy behavior. PS.: I am not pro reps, it's just that I am more anti sc_a.M/Stimaddict. Why do you think lynching sc_a.M/Stimaddict? I can't see good pro town reasoning behind his posts. -In his 1st post he says that Umasi is his 1st scumread. -I pressure him -He quotes Umasi's posts that were made after his accusation. ????? He still fails to deliver reasoning behind his very 1st post.. | ||
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Why did he wait so long to go on me when he could do that way later and instead he decided to lurk hard? It would be way more beneficial for town to accuse me before day ended because It would give us another lynch candidate and there would much more discussion going and voting patter would be more interesting to look at. All he did day one was lurking and sheeping Reps. I think he's trying to cover his sheeping and look more pro town. On August 02 2013 13:55 Alakaslam wrote: Gotard seems to have to read a post twice to fully get it accurately. Yeah, Engish isn't my native language and I make a lot of various mistakes  | ||
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RDO's spike in activity he could do that way earlier but instead he decided to lurk hard English too hard T_T | ||
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On August 02 2013 22:03 Holyflare wrote: Gotard what is your opinion of Umasi? I don't really know what to think about him for now. He doesn't seem pro town. More like happy spamming. I need to dive his filter to say something more. I should be able to post about him later today. (I don't have much time to post right now) | ||
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On August 02 2013 22:30 Holyflare wrote: I would also like your opinion on deus while you are at it too I like his logic. He looks like a better version of me  Look at those posts. + Show Spoiler + You can clearly see that he's hunting. He shares his reasoning behind every accusation. I really like that he doesn't tunnel himself on one person. Still didn't have time to look closely at Umasi. I hope I will be able to do than tomorrow. | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:31 Umasi wrote: is anyone around to talk to? :< NO, THE INTERNATIONAL! | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:05 infii wrote: At this point I looked weak/neutral because I didn't want to determine myself on something as it was still early on day1. So I was a possibly easy-to-lynch target from scum perspective. How you were easy-to-lynch target from scum perspective? You were "posting reads" and trying to look like a town. Reps was easy lynch because he didn't post anything that might look pro town. Scam is an easy lynch now. On August 03 2013 07:05 infii wrote: I defended myself like Gotard wanted - not enough. I wrote a wall of text going in-depth on my arguments in full detail - still not enough. You've never defended yourself. Never told us why nightcat was your 2nd scumread and when you explained your initial read on Umasi you've used his post after your read has been already posted. Where is logic in here? On August 03 2013 09:32 Alakaslam wrote: Also Gotard Umasi both hiding facts! Can be unintentional but ignoring convenient stuff. Is pushing agenda and confusing. But I am confusing. What "facts" are we hiding? You are confusing because you post some weird shit sometimes and you won't even bother explain it. Umasi: Most of what Gotard has posted about infii has had merit, which is why I voted him. He's been noncommittal, has posted excuses for not posting (it's too hard to do(fuck try anyway dammit)) tbth, I don't know what to think of gotard, since he's always kinda scummy to me, but never REALLY scummy. I still think that Gotard was pushing infii with legitimate points infii was a better target because he spent more time defending himself, the points brought up against him were strong and I agreed with them (go read gotards filter) (this also happens to be why holyflare lumped us together) Me and gotard being similarly suspicious of infii isn't weird, people who think that infii was town are weird, because he was scummy (not anymore) So he's changing his vote risking no-lynch because someone who is scummy brought good points. OK! He engages infii in useless discussion about no lynching or not. He's saying he's scummy because infii has different opinions, not because infii has scum motivations. Useless discussion? I wanted to get reasoning behind his thoughts. "discussion about no lynching or not" I was saying that lynching townie isn't useless for town because it gives information. I wasn't talking about no lynching. The rest of his filter (he doesn't post more till after lynch) is just null to me. He changed his vote mainly because my posts and then he decided that those posts were scummy. ##vote: Umasi | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:07 Alakaslam wrote: Oh yeah- if you thought reps was scummy why did you vote Indio? Because Infii was scummy in a lot less obvious way, he tried to hide. What Reps did happened in every single game I played and it always has been a town lynch. | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:53 Ange777 wrote: VOTE COUNT: Gotard (4): Umasi (3): RDaneelOlivaw, Gotard, sc_a.M (0): DeusXmachina (0): RDaneelOlivaw (1): Gotard No lynch (1): sc_a.M Deadline is in ~ 1 hour. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch. Currently no one is set to be lynched! Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here. This is wrong maybe because i didn't unvote Umasi? | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:00 Zyrre wrote: I think you should consider going back to usami gotard. Remember there might be one of these among the scum: Human Error (Mafia Framer): Each night, you can frame a target to invert the result of his alignment for the purpose of alignment checks. Do you think they would use it on RDO? I think Umasi was better target for inverting if he's scum. When I did this check I wanted to choose between Umasi, Alakaslam (confusing ppl), infii (my suspect no. 1) and RDO. I decided to use it on RDO because he's spike in activity was super scummy and he didn't do much day 1. He basically sheeped Reps. | ||
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RDO is scum. No lynch is fucking terrible. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote: Last ditch effort. Can't count on Gotard to vote himself. This is all he has got left to try and prove his innocence. Stim and RDO we still need you. OMG if I am wrong on this I will be in a world of shit. Gotard is scum. Vote Gotard. I did it because it's scummy and want to secure my lynch. VOTE ME! | ||
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