Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - Page 20

On August 09 2013 13:38 Umasi wrote:
tbth that really helped. I'll reserve judgement for now =/
##UNVOTE

Stim, what are you thinking?
Deus, why have you said you would read filters so often and then straight up not?

On August 03 2013 10:15 DeusXmachina wrote:


Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move.
Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man.

On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote:
Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote

On August 05 2013 02:42 DeusXmachina wrote:
Good Quote Here
He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him.

I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right?

On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote:
Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings.

On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote:


Over half of that post was taking about how we can move forward. As we get closer to lynching time we can learn something from peoples votes. That was the point I was making. OF COURSE it was written on the contingency that reps flips town. Did you want me to add a part about if reps flips scum? Okay here it is: If reps flips scum we can look at who was hesitant to vote against him (is that even a good read? scum might have just sacked him as a lost cause). I was trying to discuss what could happen in the near future, because lets be honest, however unlikely, reps can still flip town, right? I didn't think I needed to address what would happen if reps flipped scum, thought that was pretty obvious. Furthermore, a lot of my post was under the assumption that reps gets lynched, as in I am hoping reps get lynched because this is what we can learn from the lynching. How does that come across as unsure whether to proceed with lynching reps?

Umasi I asked you earlier why you thought I was scum, which is perfectly reasonable because I am one of the most pro town people here, and your answer was poor. I was simply addressing that. That's hardly inserting myself into the issue. Didn't I preface that paragraph with, "Umasi this is directed at you"? I am suspicious of you because you have this notion that I am scummy.

I am trying not to focus 100 percent of my attention on reps, because there is a lot that can be learned from other people in this game at the moment.




I agree with Gotard on several points here. Pressuring someone is a great way to get information. Also, I think you have a good read on infii. Posting just to say he will not contribute that much day one because there is not enough information is total BS, seems pretty scummy. Also infii does come across as pretty neutral. I don't get why you would want to stay neutral if you're townie. It is almost like being a townie but trying to hide. Townies should be fearless. Going to keep an eye on infii.

Finally, some quick thoughts on reps. Sadly I think he is making a very poor case of why we should keep him around. Are we supposed to hope that he is going to get better as the game progresses? Like holy said, lets lynch him already. He is not an asset. If we are going to lynch anyone day one lets make it scummy scummy reps.

On August 09 2013 13:51 Umasi wrote:
yeah, if he comes in and posts thoughts on filters, I'll be happy!
And if not, well darn!

you've mentioned frequently that you thought you were going to die, and you haven't been posting them REGARDLESS (and I am a fan of them) but it's not the biggest deal.

On August 09 2013 20:38 DeusXmachina wrote:
I also wanted to point out that slam has been absent from a lot of the lynches. Namely RDO, Zyrre, and Gotard. Oh wait, that is all but one. Generally scum distance themselves from the lynches. Also, notice how his behavior has changed once we started being suspicious of him. He has had more analysis posts in the last 24 hours than his prior 300 posts. Why all of a sudden the change? His big analysis posts were entirely absent from the beginning of this game, and what he is doing now can hardly be called solid analysis.

On August 09 2013 20:50 DeusXmachina wrote:


I want to break this post down point by point. It is one of slams more recent and longer posts.
1. First quote. He follows it up with a question. This contributes nothing. If he was town wouldnt he want to back this up with solid reasoning. For example, "Deus is scummy because he is defending Umasi".no, when town my goal is TRUTH. That would not be a true accusation. You guys can see how this is totally irrelevant now right? question not answered but rather attacked. How townie.

2.Second quote. After the quote he contributes literally nothing. He says some bullshit about stumbling around like drunks and the vets probably pulling their hair out. Why would he even quote me if he is just going to spout some fluff afterwards? He has been doing this all game.

makes same point Umasi did later. We all have been asstalking.

3. Third quote. "But augh, this is so town!" Are you kidding me? You are trying to make a case against me dude!what mindset convinced you that I don't care who we lynch at MYLO?. Why would you bring up a quote just to say. Augghhh this is so town. Why wont you take a strong stance on anyone Slam? because I'm not scum. If I were what am I afraid of now? I just need to frame well, and am all knowing. Wait, that is the stance you have taken

4. Forth quote. Tops it all off with something that hardly makes sense. WOULD PEOPLE GIVE ME A BREAK ABOUT NOT MAKING SENSE. I SERIOUSLY CAN'T BE THAT CONFUSING- I BET IT'S JUST HIP NOW, SLAM DON'T MAKE SENSE BRO JUST 'MIT IT. I mean wow, I'm basically postin the same way I talk and not many people have troue understanding that! I mean sometimes of course, but this is like all the time!

Svengali is a character in a book who hypnotizes an opera singer to make her able to sing but charges her extorbitantly and has her doing his services when not hypnotized. So people use Svengali to speak of the manipulator character. Ex: Karl Rove was literally called this with regard to George W. Bush.

On August 09 2013 17:26 DeusXmachina wrote:
....................................................................................Alakaslam...................................................................................

Over the next day and a half I plan to work on convincing the rest of you guys that Slam is scum. In order to do this I will elaborate on the points I discuss tonight as well as offer more examples of what I am talking about. This serves as a introduction to what we should all explore in the next couple days. Lets begin.

Allignment: Scum

Overview:

1. Weak contributor and does not offer new ideas
2. Blends in with town
3. Does not take strong stances and is indecisive
4. Voting patterns

These actions are all scummy. As you may have noticed I am arguing the opposite points as I brought up on Umasi. I aim to prove that Slam is the last scum. If you would like me to elaborate on any of these points or offer more examples let me know. For the record I read all of slam's filter.

1. Contributions? Hardly
Slam has been playing a game of deception. It is almost astonishing to think about, but he IS the last Scum. Well why is it astonishing you ask? Simple. His massive amounts of posts have fooled everyone. He made it seem like he was contributing all the while in that 20 page filter of his was absolutely nothing of value. I implore you to look at how often he simply quotes something, offers nothing of value after the quote, and moves on. This is his first noteworthy post. Guys this is on filter page 13 and he started the game on 3. He went 10 fucking pages without contributing a damn. He slid through the ENTIRE reps lynch without offering anything. He frequently says things like "DEFEND YOURSELF". What does that offer? So often he quotes and says something stupid afterwards. What does THAT offer? Absolutely nothing. (Sidenote: there is so many examples of this stuff that I am not going to put them here. Please read his filter to see what I am talking about. Like I said I will happily generate specifics to make my point. This is just the beginning.) He votes Gotard but give almost no reason why. He does not make a strong stance against Gotard to explain his vote. Not only that but he is extremely indecisive over his Gotard vote (more on that later). Finally he does not contribute to the Zyrre discussion, and he does not contribute to the RDO discussion. In his 20 page filter he maybe has less 2 or 3 valuable posts.

2. Blends in with the town?
How obvious is this now that we are all thinking about it. The only thing that sets Slam apart is his wacky posts. But slam has gone completely uncontested, unnoticed. He has masterfully faked contribution. He has overloaded us with posts. He has bandwagoned on all of his votes and decisions. All for what? To appear town. It is clear to me now that Slam has been merely blending in. I think the reason so many of us overlooked it was because of his wacky posts. Slam never stickes himself out there. Has he ever been the first to take a stance against someone? NO. Has he ever been the first one to contribute new ideas? NO. Has he ever stuck his neck out there, had some really controversial opinions? NO NO and NO. He has been blending in this entire game.

3. Indecisive must be his middle name
Slam is very indecisive. IF you don't see this as a scummy thing go read part of the General Guide to Mafia. The best example of this is his vote against Gotard. He votes Gotard, unvotes, votes Umasi, unvotes, and finally votes Gotard again. Same thing with reps. Votes me, unvotes me, votes reps, unvotes reps, votes scam unvotes scam, votes reps. Look how indecisive this guy is being! It is absolutely ludacris. It goes to show that he is not taking strong stances against anyone. Slam has not taken a strong stance on anyone (p.s I know these transitions are painful, but who gives a fuck. I am not writing an essay here). Seriously! Go find me one example of a strong stance? He has none. He didn't have a good case against me (lol at the kenpachi rule), he didn't have a strong case against reps, he didn't have a strong case against Gotard, or Scam, or RDO, or Zyrre, or ... You get the point. NOBODY! He doesn't take a strong stance against ANYONE. More examples of this to come. A great example of his indecision is when he talks about reps in some of his posts.

4. Voting patters
I have already talked about this prior to this paragraph but let me summarize why his voting patterns are weird. He switches his vote a lot. He is one of the last ones to vote reps. He tags along with almost all of his other votes. Votes Gotard again after unvoting him. Votes RDO and Zyrre after others voted against them. His voting patterns exemplify his indecision.

I think there is a lot more that can be said about Slam. HE IS THE FINAL SCUM. If you don't believe me now I will spend the next day and half trying to convince you. I only wish I would have realized this earlier. Like I said, I can give a lot of examples when we get deeper into this discussion.

On August 10 2013 02:57 DeusXmachina wrote:


What happened to going down fighting? What happened to not going down like RDO? Fight damnit! If you are town prove it.

On August 10 2013 03:12 DeusXmachina wrote:
EBWOP I should have said takes a stance against Umasi not takes a strong stance

On August 10 2013 05:28 DeusXmachina wrote:


This is a strong stance

and this is not

Stop cherry-picking mistakes.