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On July 31 2013 12:08 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 11:55 Holyflare wrote:My thoughts on reps are still undertemined, the posts Deus is referring to are generally all pre-game. IF anything reps has progressed the discussion of the town through this post: On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote:
So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here? That was actually a somewhat productive post. It got people talking, a pro-town move if any. He has mentioned being new once in this day so to call that into the open so soon is beyond me, I would have personally waited for another one or asked some leading questions. Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
I am not defending him, if anything his reply to Deus' post made me more suspicious of him. What I AM trying to avoid is a first few hour bandwagon that would deviate from discussions that we could potentially be having to determine who else is town.
Contradiction? Only discussion that Reps's post brought up was this. Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
I am fully in agreement for lynching the quiet people and the non-contributive people as they don't reveal anything about themselves and could either be a bad town (which will screw us over in the late game) or scum. However, we should obviously have more discussion so that we get to know people more beforehand. Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 08:22 Umasi wrote:
well~assuming an apathetic poster is equally likely to be town or mafia
and we lynch all lurkers (IE people who don't care)
we gone be booooooned Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 08:22 Umasi wrote:
so basically, there's no correct way to deal with lurkers imo, you just have to pray they aren't in your game. Nothing particular useful, in my humble opinion. You stated your opinion and Umasi kind of dismissed it in joking manner. If you think this particular topic was a good starting point for a discussion which is evidence from the fact that you answered it and brought it in your 'defense' of Reps, why did you not keep this on the table and press others to voice their opinion on lurkers?
I have seen reps post only a few times and so my overall suspicion of him is still undertermined, if you can make a call off of 2 posts then go ahead. His reply to Deus increased my suspicion but that only makes me wonder if he is truly just a newbie bad town or a scum, not for certain, hence undertermined.
His post asking about peoples views on lurkers is more productive in terms of getting the ball rolling than Deus' posts that Umasi has highlighted previously. However, I do not feel that talking about people's opinions on lurker votes was a good topic to get the ball rolling and so did not follow up on it.
Let me just reiterate this for you, I am not on the defence of anyone here, I am pointing out the facts of what is occurring.
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I even express my disdain of scum in my first post.
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Yeah just use the edit button and that thing.
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On July 31 2013 12:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:08 StiMaDDict wrote:On July 31 2013 11:55 Holyflare wrote:My thoughts on reps are still undertemined, the posts Deus is referring to are generally all pre-game. IF anything reps has progressed the discussion of the town through this post: On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote:
So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here? That was actually a somewhat productive post. It got people talking, a pro-town move if any. He has mentioned being new once in this day so to call that into the open so soon is beyond me, I would have personally waited for another one or asked some leading questions. On July 31 2013 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
I am not defending him, if anything his reply to Deus' post made me more suspicious of him. What I AM trying to avoid is a first few hour bandwagon that would deviate from discussions that we could potentially be having to determine who else is town.
Contradiction? Only discussion that Reps's post brought up was this. On July 31 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
I am fully in agreement for lynching the quiet people and the non-contributive people as they don't reveal anything about themselves and could either be a bad town (which will screw us over in the late game) or scum. However, we should obviously have more discussion so that we get to know people more beforehand. On July 31 2013 08:22 Umasi wrote:
well~assuming an apathetic poster is equally likely to be town or mafia
and we lynch all lurkers (IE people who don't care)
we gone be booooooned On July 31 2013 08:22 Umasi wrote:
so basically, there's no correct way to deal with lurkers imo, you just have to pray they aren't in your game. Nothing particular useful, in my humble opinion. You stated your opinion and Umasi kind of dismissed it in joking manner. If you think this particular topic was a good starting point for a discussion which is evidence from the fact that you answered it and brought it in your 'defense' of Reps, why did you not keep this on the table and press others to voice their opinion on lurkers? I have seen reps post only a few times and so my overall suspicion of him is still undertermined, if you can make a call off of 2 posts then go ahead. His reply to Deus increased my suspicion but that only makes me wonder if he is truly just a newbie bad town or a scum, not for certain, hence undertermined. His post asking about peoples views on lurkers is more productive in terms of getting the ball rolling than Deus' posts that Umasi has highlighted previously. However, I do not feel that talking about people's opinions on lurker votes was a good topic to get the ball rolling and so did not follow up on it. Let me just reiterate this for you, I am not on the defence of anyone here, I am pointing out the facts of what is occurring.
Fair enough
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I would happily explain my first posts. I wanted to express my dislike for scum, however in this game they are called problems (bugs, out-of-date software, etc). I also asked people to respond by having them share their dislike. At most it is just a poor attempt to get some discussion going, and maybe a little dramatic.
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Backtrack harder, Deus.
Scum can happily put themselves in the center of attention, Hzflank in the previous game is a good example. He was a very vocal scum who made a case on a townie day one, and the only thing that thwarted him was an accidentally godlike serial killer shot (hi nightcat)
filtering Holy for a sec to respond to stim, atm he's null, will see if anything sways me.
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On July 31 2013 12:15 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 31 2013 12:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
Reps is in no serious danger. If he is town he should be able to defend himself. The discussion is opening up. We can look at several important factors:
1. Is anyone trying to defend reps?
2. Who is not posting their opinion?
3. What does reps have to say in his defense?
4. I am sure you guys have more to add.
Hopefully we can expose more than just reps intentions.
While I know what your intentions 'are', you have gone about it in the wrong way. You falsely accused someone of repetition when it has happened once, that is not a way to determine peoples alliances unless you mistakingly thought his post-game posts were in the day. It is also 4-5am in Europe so half the people won't reply for another few hours. I will also be off to bed shortly so if anyone has anything to ask me before I go, say it now please. It seems as if you know Reps' alliance, hmm.. Also if you read Deus' accusation, he did differentiate Reps' pre-game post and in-game post.
Falsely accusing someone of repetion does not equal falsely accused of being scum. While he did say that he mentioned being a noob in pre-game that has no relevance to here as he did not receive his role then. Saying that he is a noob within the game can be taken both ways (as a scum move or newbie move) and so when Deus' did his bold accusation it shocked me how he could be so forward so soon.
However, the more I see reps posts the more I become confused.
On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else.
This gives me the impression that he wants to be on the good side of the town and not potentially lynch off one of the townies. Just a read though.
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(It makes him look more scummy)
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On July 31 2013 12:31 DeusXmachina wrote:
I would happily explain my first posts. I wanted to express my dislike for scum, however in this game they are called problems (bugs, out-of-date software, etc). I also asked people to respond by having them share their dislike. At most it is just a poor attempt to get some discussion going, and maybe a little dramatic.
Fair enough. Would you kindly share your intention behind these line, please? It just bugs me more than anything.
Especially the small, easy to overlook ones like a misplaced semicolon. Who else will chime in? Doesn't out-of-date software just make you want to send a nasty email articulating your frustration to the parties responsible?
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Why does it bug you, StiM?
I'm not sold either way on Holy, leaning town, I guess. Him being the first person to try to jump into dialogue with me was nice~because why would scum bother talking because no one else had at that point and they'd rather see discussion fall flat~
And although the things he's said specifically I can't read either way, like, whatever. He's posted a lot. I don't mind his passive defending of anyone either, I do that too.
So in the end, slightly townie.
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Sorry I bugged you StiM. Honestly, there was no intention. It was just fluff. I was just trying to get into the role. Lesson learned, don't post meaningless fluff.
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On July 31 2013 12:51 DeusXmachina wrote:
Sorry I bugged you StiM. Honestly, there was no intention. It was just fluff. I was just trying to get into the role. Lesson learned, don't post meaningless fluff.
Meaningless fluff is awesome! But I guess that is not something to do.
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@Umasi: totally unrelated but go read XLIV's last post XD
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haha you were wrong on basically every point huh~
StiM, initially, why did that post bug you?
Like, did you dislike it because it was fluff or was there something else?
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I couldn't tell if it was fluff or had some deep meaning like,
"especially the small, easy to overlook ones" (is he talking about lurker or noob town looking scum, maybe?)
"who else will chime in" (mafia trying to mingle among town?)
"Doesn't out-of-date software just make you want to send a nasty email articulating your frustration" (scum that create chaos and frustration?)
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haha, probably doesn't have that deep of a meaning.
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What are everyones thoughts on Deus?
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I am ok with what deus is doing so far. Althrough there are exception , puptting them self in the center of attention is still not the best scum play on day 1.
On July 31 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:
Backtrack harder, Deus.
Scum can happily put themselves in the center of attention, Hzflank in the previous game is a good example. He was a very vocal scum who made a case on a townie day one, and the only thing that thwarted him was an accidentally godlike serial killer shot (hi nightcat)
filtering Holy for a sec to respond to stim, atm he's null, will see if anything sways me.
I think you are over thinking it alittle Umasi , i dont feel like hzflank was the center of attention, he was taking a secondary role imo , thats why he was so hard to read. You need to put more faith on your own reads, i know you feel like you have been wrong more often then not but that doesnt change the fact that i think alot of your imput was valid, dont lurk because you were wrong.
P.S. stop poking at me about that shot.
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On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote:
I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.
On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.
+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD.
I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
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My response to skeptics.
He said he is a newbie multiple times!
Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake.
My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not.
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