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So let me get this straigth ShiaoPi. This is your thought process:
I am scum because i did discuss your claim and wanted to know your reasons for claiming VT. You say i should have focused on other things like QT-talk, which i did. At the same time you accuse FirmTofu of being wishy-washy about the QT-thingy (asking useless questions). By that logic i should come up as townie to you, because i did what you by your own words expect from a townie. You say Z-Boson did a townie thing by saying your claim is not alignment indicative. Guess what. I said that too, i said your reasons for the claim might be alignment indicative. Z-Boson however implies he is supicious of you in the very same post, when activity is really not a thing that's alignment indicative, at least in the first 12 hours of the game. You take that as a face value, actually you YOURSELF call your actions (or rather lack of them - activity) scummy, but when i state my reasons for my actions you are not willing to even try to understand them.
By using that logic i could say you are scum because you fucked up at the start. You can't explain that, it is set in the stone. But i am not, so can you now clarify your thought process to me.
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I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand?
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On July 24 2013 21:17 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand? Tell me, what else does that mean: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am here.
ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt?
Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information. "what the hell" implies that you think of this claim as negatively
This is an implication to you that i want a reason for your claim.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. saying that the claim is either stupid or scum, is indirectly calling me scummy. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. This post implies that I am not town to you.
This is pressuring you to answer.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Sylencia? Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? This is where you backpedal
See, i explain it here. In the set of quotes there is also the post you call Z-Boson town for. I don't understand how you get a town read on him for this as explained. I am not backpedalling, i am explaining what i am doing.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT.
##Vote: ShiaoPi and finally this does say pretty surely that you think of me as scum. Did I miss anything?
Yes, that's where i really thought you were scum. However now i am not so sure about it any more as i can see what you mean. However you are wrong if you are town. You started discussion with VT claim. I found that odd and wanted your reasons for the claim. If you think i am scum because of that then there is not much i can answer to you regarding that other than you are wrong. I, like you wanted to start the discussion on something other than setup. Last game (Bluelightz game) i tried playing more passively than usual and see what the D1 was like. Fucking awful.
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On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:56 Malongo wrote:On July 24 2013 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Malongo:
The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. So, let me guess, he is assuming that every mafia is paired to a townie, yet he is assuming the pairing is random? That is something only mafia knows. How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired?
Actually this is a good point. Also i don't understand why Lazer said what he did (assuming scum are paired with town - then saying it's likely random).
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On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted?
FirmTofu or Sylencia.
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I did say why i do suspect FirmTofu. Because of what Lazer said. Tofu followed my "suspicion" on ShiaoPi when earlier he didn't impress any suspicion on him. Also Sylencia is not doing shit. Only talking about setup, wanting to follow the guidelines the thread has set and then failing to do so. There is nothing but fluff / stating the obvious in his posts.
Also lol Koshi. None of your points hold water.
1) I have already explained this. If you are gonna call me out on this you need to call me a liar, because i did not suspect ShiaoPi because of what you are saying.
2) Wrong. I have explained before, and now why i think FirmTofu is scummy to me.
3) Of course i found it strange. That's why i posted the fucking log. There is his explanation that does not add up to me. But the thing that he retracted from the shot makes me think he is town atm. If you are gonna use the shot why not just say nothing and go with it?
4) So because you don't find Sylencia scummy i am scum. Right. Do you think Sylencia is town? Why?
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lol Dandel. Are you actually town this time or fooling me again?
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On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please!
What differentiaties Stutters from Sylencia?
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Because to me Stutters looks way better than Sylencia.
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Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching?
Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one.
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So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters?
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On July 25 2013 05:51 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching?
Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one. Explain. Was it a good or bad idea? Why or why not? Im at work so very little posts.
I don't think it's a good idea. People who are gonna get vig-lynched are obviously gonna shoot their mason partner if they fear they are close to getting shot and that's not alignment indicative at all.
I especially did not like your post where you say "if you are town and getting vig-lynched you need to accept your death". That's ridiculous. If i was gonna get vig-lynched i was 100% gonna shoot my mason partner because i know i am town and i can't be 100% certain of them being town, so at least there is a possibility of shooting scum.
On July 25 2013 05:52 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters? What points?
What?
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Rainbows who is your top scumread atm?
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So what happened to your scumread on me?
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Rainbows what do you think of Koshi?
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Rainbows:
When i asked for your scumreads why did you feel the need to say "i don't think i want to lynch Stutters"?
Lazer:
I already asked this, but. How is Stutters ignoring any form of scumhunting but Sylencia is not?
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FT why di you not say this in the first place?
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Another thing i don't like:
On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
This has been on the table many times and this is completely false. Why are you not reading the thread? I don't know what other people are accusing you of but i am not accusing you of thinking ShiaoPi's claim was whatever. I am accusing you of the way you did approach the whole situation (calling the claim fishy only after you saw someone you thought thought ShiaoPi was scummy).
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##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad.
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Also we need more content here. The only person who looks town to me atm is Lazer. Everyone else is either useless or scummy or both. Please post more. Especially i would like Artanis & Dandel to actually give us some analysis instead of jerking off with each other...
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