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Koshi, you really should be voting Artanis right now. I have no idea why you aren't.
As for where I stand...
I hate meta with a passion, but I feel like I have to use it at this point.
Rayn is basically confirmed scum to me if I acknowledge meta. A town rayn posts a LOT MORE than this during day 1. He is usually accusing everything and everyone, trying to find scum.
In this game, all he's doing is defending himself and half-jumping on the wagon on me. I really dislike his play and I am inclined to think he's scum.
I absolutely hate that my argument is mostly meta so if anyone can come up with a case on him that isn't meta-reliant, I would love to hear it.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
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ShiaoPi, I think you are town, but hopelessly misguided. Please look at my filter from an objective perspective and consider whether I am truly more scummy than rayn.
Rayn has done a terrible job of defending himself from your accusations. I am actively scumhunting. I don't understand why you think I am more scummy than him.
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On July 26 2013 02:20 Rainbows wrote:
I played scum with Rayn before and hes super active. I dont think hes our bestblynch choice today.
Really? Can you link me the game please? I've only played with town rayn and he's always active.
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On July 26 2013 02:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
@FT whats your read on koshi and malungo?
Koshi is very scummy for sheeping me. However, I cannot fathom why he would label me as a town read if he was scum. I know I am town. Unless he thinks my scumhunting skills are terrible, why would he sheep me as scum?
Null on Koshi.
Malongo is null leaning scum to me. He's in the realm of Artanis/Dandel of uselessness, so I wouldn't mind lynching him today. I don't think there is a lot in his filter to go off of.
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On July 26 2013 02:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
@ft: if rayn is removed from the game. who do you want to lynch?
Probably Artanis/Malongo/Sylencia.
I want to hear more from Z-Boson and Stutters who haven't contributed much yet. I'm null on Lazermonkey and Koshi. Everyone else I'm leaning town.
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On July 26 2013 02:32 Stutters695 wrote:
If you want to vig him I'm totally behind it.
I would actually advocate this at this point.
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On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows?
I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make.
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On July 26 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. What is this? Assuming you are town why is it not beneficial for scum to create another town wagon? You need to elaborate on this.
That is a fair point, but I think scum would be more likely to jump on an existing wagon on a townie than form one themselves. Scum doesn't want to be associated with starting the wagon. It draws unnecessary attention to themselves after the flip.
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On July 26 2013 02:49 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now.
@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. what abiut the entire policy thing he brought up?
IDK. My read on Rainbows is not very strong so I don't want to lead you astray if I'm wrong. I personally don't think the policy thing is very alignment indicative. If you want to bring up something in particular, go ahead.
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I really really really want to lynch rayn. He comes out as scum with Artanis' lynch considering that he defended him so heavily.
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Still catching up on the thread, so give me some time to read.
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Hey guys, I just won the game for town. Here are my chats with Z-Boson.
Z-BosoN
07-26-2013
03:51 PM ET (US)
Fuck it
This game is lost to us anyways
scum team is me and rayn.
If you really are traitor, do just that. Prob bus rayn is good, since you are already pushing him.
If you are bluffing, well, gj, at least this game ends faster 
#yolo
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03:42 PM ET (US)
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Okay, I'm starting to get a feeling that you are scum. I'm going to take a leap of faith because this is my only chance to win.
I am the traitor. If I name 2 people in your scumteam, I can join it. Right now, I'm fairly confident that it's you and stutters. I'm more confident in you than stutters.
If you are scum, tell me. I can join your team tonight.
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Are you scum? Be honest. If so, this game is about to get very interesting.
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P.S. I lied about being traitor.
Scumteam is Z-Boson and rayn.
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GG Z-Boson and rayn. I'm feeling a little guilty about making that play BUT this is good to put on my list of, "Why it is sometimes good to lie as town".
Saved for posterity.
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On July 27 2013 05:16 Koshi wrote:
SHIEEEET CAN I QUOTE YOUR OPENING POST FROM SICILIAN?
Yes please.
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I don't like it when other people lie, but when I do it it's perfectly okay.
FT Logic™
Ultimately, it comes down to discretion. I usually don't lie unless I think I can use it as a calculated risk. I knew I had an out with my play in this game. If Z-Boson posted my conversation in the thread and told everyone to lynch me, I could just say that I was trying to see if Z-Boson was scum or not.
I think I could have sufficiently defended myself and it would have gotten us a town read on Z-Boson, which I think would be worth it in the long run if Z-Boson was actually town.
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I'm just curious...
Is this the shortest game on TL ever in terms of Cycles played?
I'm thinking it's somewhere up there.
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On July 27 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have no idea wha's going on. Good shot Sylencia!
I promise to be more help tomorrow. I have had shit days at work (~18-20hours/day).
Sylencia & ShiaoPi are town, i have no idea about anyone else.
lol.
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Okay, rayn is not conceding. Game is not over.
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That means we don't mass claim, kids.
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EPT
