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JJD: me no likely TG shot or jrkirby shot. Cora looks like a maybe decent shot.
Geript: see JJD agrees that he's the best shot
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This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.
I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon.
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+ Show Spoiler +I am not posting this to avoid getting shot. I played poorly day 1 and two, and kinda deserve to get shot. But if I get shot, I want to leave the town in the best possible position I can after I'm dead, else I'll think it's my fault we lost.
I think both of us are town. When I judge who I think is scum, I don't look at the content of their posts as much as the dead giveaways: things like defending someone, who and when votes happened, claims, deaths, associations. While tangeng's posts day 1 might not have the greatest content, I don't see scum motivation there.
In firmtofu's posts, I do see scum motivation. He defended TAA much longer than he should've, and went all out on the defence too. Just recently, he quoted TAA to defend himself: + Show Spoiler +On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote:Why you shouldn't shoot me:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone Bolded relevant.
Who you should shoot:Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGengTier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDgcDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow. JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum. I think everyone else is town.
Even going so far as to bold a line that says "Happy wifom everyone." That, I must say, is bold.+ Show Spoiler +
He wants me (who I know am town) and TG (who I think is town) shot, as well as JJD who I also have a town read on.
Since I expect to die tonight, let me post my reads and what I expect/hope to happen.
I think that getmoript and I will get shot tonight. Scum shoot getmoript, onegu shoots me. Cora hopefully has some info for town. I hope that Firmtofu gets lynched. Then next night, onegu or cora gets shot. I'd prefer to have cora get shot, because I'd rather have a confirmed town than a dubious, weak, power role alive, but I expect onegu to get shot. If onegu is shot, I think the third scum is either cora or oatsmaster. If cora has any info from his nightly investigations, take that into account. You should be able to mislynch one and get the other the next night though.
My worst case scenario: I get shot (I'll flip town), and then TG gets lynched and flips town. Second worst is TG gets shot, flips town, and I get lynched. If TG gets shot and flips scum, then I'll have to rethink my reads on JJD and firmtofu. Best case: firmtofu gets shot and flips scum. Actually, new worst case scenario: firmtofu gets shot and flips town. That would really screw us up. At least if he's vigid, if scum shoot him, it just makes things clearer and we still have cop.
My plead: If I get shot and flip town, pleasepleaseplease don't lynch TG right next. If I flip scum, sure, but I'm not gonna flip scum.
So, reads:
getmoript: He's town. but he's gonna get shot tonight anyway, so doesn't matter too much. Although if he doesn't get shot, be fairly suspicious.
Me, TG, JJD, firmtofu: I already wrote about us.
Fivetouch: if he's scum... well played, well played. I think he's town.
Austin: He certainly reads town. I have not too much suspicion here, but if he starts acting funky, don't hesitate to consider him.
Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely).
Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all.
So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive.
On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful.
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On July 26 2013 02:57 FirmTofu wrote:
This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.
I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon.
You're basically confirmed town? how?
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On July 26 2013 02:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote:Why you shouldn't shoot me:On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone Bolded relevant.
Who you should shoot:Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGengTier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDgcDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow. JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum. I think everyone else is town. Whoever wanted to shoot THIS guy needs....to be shot? I don't get it. His suggested shots are bad IMO. And I think he threw my name in there because I'm the hot topic at the moment. I think TG is a terrible shot now that we know scum had a RBer. And Jkirby doesn't seem like a great shot to me either TBH. @ least not compared to cDg who is who would probably be my guess for last scum. The only thing that makes me hesitant about cDg is how he's practically daring Onegu to shoot him. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
First of all, people are calling for my lynch or vigi shot. Don't waste your breath. It's not going to happen. There are people who have played way scummier than me and you all know that. Are you really going to lynch me and turn a blind eye to TG, jrkirby, and Oats? You guys know that it's bad town play to do that. Don't waste anything on me. That just seems so ballsy for scum to say. Gonna look @ cDg some more.
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On July 26 2013 03:01 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 26 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote:Why you shouldn't shoot me:On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone Bolded relevant.
Who you should shoot:Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGengTier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDgcDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow. JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum. I think everyone else is town. Whoever wanted to shoot THIS guy needs....to be shot? I don't get it. His suggested shots are bad IMO. And I think he threw my name in there because I'm the hot topic at the moment. I think TG is a terrible shot now that we know scum had a RBer. And Jkirby doesn't seem like a great shot to me either TBH. @ least not compared to cDg who is who would probably be my guess for last scum. The only thing that makes me hesitant about cDg is how he's practically daring Onegu to shoot him. On July 25 2013 22:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
First of all, people are calling for my lynch or vigi shot. Don't waste your breath. It's not going to happen. There are people who have played way scummier than me and you all know that. Are you really going to lynch me and turn a blind eye to TG, jrkirby, and Oats? You guys know that it's bad town play to do that. Don't waste anything on me. That just seems so ballsy for scum to say. Gonna look @ cDg some more. wat On July 26 2013 02:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote:Why you shouldn't shoot me:On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone Bolded relevant.
Who you should shoot:Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGengTier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDgcDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow. JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum. I think everyone else is town. Whoever wanted to shoot THIS guy needs....to be shot? I don't get it. His suggested shots are bad IMO. And I think he threw my name in there because I'm the hot topic at the moment. I think TG is a terrible shot now that we know scum had a RBer. And Jkirby doesn't seem like a great shot to me either TBH. @ least not compared to cDg who is who would probably be my guess for last scum. The only thing that makes me hesitant about cDg is how he's practically daring Onegu to shoot him. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
First of all, people are calling for my lynch or vigi shot. Don't waste your breath. It's not going to happen. There are people who have played way scummier than me and you all know that. Are you really going to lynch me and turn a blind eye to TG, jrkirby, and Oats? You guys know that it's bad town play to do that. Don't waste anything on me. That just seems so ballsy for scum to say. Gonna look @ cDg some more.
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Well, kirby made an excellent case for himself being scum. Any takers?
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I think I'm gonna have to go over my reads tomorrow. Haven't got the energy this evening though.
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On July 26 2013 03:00 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:57 FirmTofu wrote:
This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.
I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon. You're basically confirmed town? how?
Look through TAA's filter. He has wanted me dead the entire game.
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kirby's post looks pretty ok to me
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Don't shoot kirby tonight. Guy's town.
Marv and/or VE (I forget which of you were pushing this) I disagree with you about TG/Tofu. I don't necessarily think either are town and think either would be a good shot tonight. Take Oats off the list, fine.
Shot should be one of Cora/TG/Tofu. No one else. I like austin's idea where we shoot into where we're likely to get the most information.
-Wave
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On July 26 2013 03:38 getmoript wrote:
Don't shoot kirby tonight. Guy's town.
Marv and/or VE (I forget which of you were pushing this) I disagree with you about TG/Tofu. I don't necessarily think either are town and think either would be a good shot tonight. Take Oats off the list, fine.
Shot should be one of Cora/TG/Tofu. No one else. I like austin's idea where we shoot into where we're likely to get the most information.
-Wave
Why is jrkirby town? That does not make any sense to me. You said earlier that he's simply lynchbait, but I disagree with that.
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@VE
I think I have from Marv
On July 25 2013 22:08 FiveTouch wrote:
If you shoot Firm, I'm pushing for your lynch.
Clearly he would not like jrkirby pushing for Tofu lynch. Are you disagreeing?
At this point, I'll repeat from an earlier post:
I would like austinmcc or you talk about scum-town scenario between me an jrkirby. Especially create a case for town me and scum jrkirby even if you are suspecting scum me and town jrkirby. If you can rule out town-town that would be good enough for me. If you can create this case, I'll be the target.
@Wave & Geript
You can too can set up a case for the kind of information you think you are going to get from the flips.
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On July 26 2013 03:06 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:00 jrkirby wrote:On July 26 2013 02:57 FirmTofu wrote:
This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.
I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon. You're basically confirmed town? how? Look through TAA's filter. He has wanted me dead the entire game.
That in no way exonerates you. Especially because you haven't even come close to being lynched.
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@jrkirby
Tell me your reads about me on Day 1 and Day 2. What is convincing you that I am town?
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I think you're town because of the votes. I think you're town because of the roleblocker. I think you're town because I'm looking at your actions and why, not at the wording you use. I think you're town because I know I'm town and I think onegu is town.
Day one, it's very hard to read people well. I wouldn't have been convinced you were town until I saw the way the votes turned out.
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I'd also like to bring up the fact that rayn thought firmtofu was scum day 1. I didn't see it then, and it might just be a coincidence, but it's nice to honor dead town by looking at their scumreads.
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On July 26 2013 03:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Well, kirby made an excellent case for himself being scum. Any takers?
I didn't make a case on myself being town. I but honestly I wouldn't much prefer TG getting shot over myself.
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EBWOP: I didn't make a case on myself being scum. Although you'll probably only know I'm town if I flip.
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I'm gonna take another look at JJD/Oats at some point, I'm really not sure where I stand right now. Gonna wait for VE to come reassure me in the obsQT. Not sure I'll get it done before Onegu has to shoot though :/
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