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On July 26 2013 22:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 21:49 FiveTouch wrote:On July 26 2013 21:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah IDK what to think about this. Why would a scum cora give different results for his checks? I can't see any scum motivation behind this if it was a lie. The main (only?) scum motivation is if it was an enormous fuck up. Claimed rolecop -> isn't rolecop -> has to change story because he can't tell anyone else's role. That's kinda stretching the boundaries of believability I guess. But his check was on TG who's already claimed VT. Unless they're worried about future checks I guess. But that wouldn't really make sense either since as rolecop we're all gonna be suspicious anyway just because he'd be alive.
This is a good point, and lends credibility to him being town I guess. He really needs to find out the proper results of his Day 1 check though.
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Sanities mean nothing is confirmed, unfortunately
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On July 26 2013 22:40 TanGeng wrote:Was going to run through the flip scenarios for both Corazon and I but those role PMs don't seem to give enough information. Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 15:01 phagga wrote:getmoript the Detective has been killed!+ Show Spoiler +Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Welcome, Oatsmaster to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you will hopefully save Blueville from destruction. You, as an ordinary citizen of Blueville can help save Blueville from the wrath of evil Redvillians.
Look at the defective/fake results. Is it always defective or just some of the time?
It's almost certainly just a fancy way of saying "you are not guaranteed to be sane".
So it'll be sane/insane, maybe naive/paranoid as well.
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On July 26 2013 22:50 TanGeng wrote:Damn, I could still be GF. 
You could be GF, we don't know whether his result on himself returned red or green, if it returned green (and he's town) he could still be naive rather than sane.
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I think we need to drop this before it gets naughty. Corazon's told us how it is, and it won't get us anywhere to niggle at him about it, because nothing's gonna change.
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Something like that Jarjar. I'll be a little annoyed at the hosts but that's for another time. Closed setup != keeping someone in the dark about their own role.
VE's not appeared yet, but my reason for Corazon being town is basically this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356¤tpage=52#1040
Basically *as soon* as getmoript claimed, Corazon was sceptical of it. Like, within a minute. Normally mafia will actually have to think about doing something like fakeclaiming or counterclaiming, yet Corazon was immediately on top of the claim. Normally that's only possible if you are what you say you are.
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sorry I'm bad, for filter
On July 27 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
2 mafia out of this rag-tag bunch.
Corazon - ridiculous claim + further explanations, host stuff, immediate counterclaim to getmo without thought
kirby - I liked his long post yesterday, but I dislike everything else.
FT - pretty obvious
Firm - arg!
Tangeng - recent posts looking much better
Jarjar - has stuff pulling both ways. weird roleblocker stuff that VE brought up. getmo stuff. Seems to care? So conflicted i can't even attach green and red to him
Onegu - confirmed vigi, not confirmed town. Still seems really dumb claim to make as mafia so we'll bet on town
austin - argument with me looks genuine, townpoints. But at the same time is constantly shovelling suspicion on me when it should be really obvious we're town by now. Also TAA defence day 1. Seems unwilling to reevaluate TG read despite the fact TG has produced a lot of content.
This is a personal list, not a list for our slot, which I'm sure will be forthcoming in due time.
~marv
On July 27 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
I know this is terribly unhelpful, but I've no idea right now. I need to bounce off VE, he's been pushing you at me for quite a long time but I think we need to look elsewhere for now.
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On July 27 2013 00:39 Onegu wrote:
There is just so much filler in jrkirbys posts, day one into day two he just tunnels oats, which is fine as I was scum on oats when I came in day 2, but he is really slow to switch onto TAA. N2 he has his best post in my opinion, which is why I didnt shoot him. He only has 4 pages of filter where him being here since day 1 is really bad.
Jarjar's only on 4 pages too?
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austin does all kinds of crazy crap as either alignment.
You should ask him about his claim in Aperture 2 mini. It was pretty nuts (he was mafia).
~marv
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Firm, which would you lynch first and why?
~marv
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Have you ever seen a mafia counterclaim impulsively within a minute, Firm?
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On July 27 2013 13:14 Onegu wrote:
Has VE posted anything recently?
No, I don't think so, which is exceedingly irritating because I'm relying on him picking up the slack for me this weekend - I'm out of action basically until after the lynch today and he's not been very present in our QT.
I basically have 30-40 minutes right now to try to give direction to the thread which is not very optimal. I'm hoping VE comes back and owns some face this evening. Gonna read what I've missed.
oh, hi Vivax.
~marv
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Ok, last night I proposed a kirby/Firm possibility to VE (kinda just before he disappeared) and VE commented that there were some things he didn't like in Firm's filter, and some things he did. He disappeared before he would specify to me. I think I maybe could come round to Firm being town? For the dumb thing earlier, for what Onegu (I think?) pointed out about his abrasive sarcasm (something I'm really prone to doing myself when I'm town and I think something is totally retarded) and also for the way he backed off JJD, when JJD is quite an "easy" target to go for - by that I mean no-one's really thinking JJD is strongly town, so there's no reason to back off JJD.
I'm sticking with Cora town, don't think scum basically counterclaim within a minute of seeing a claim. I'm a pretty reactive, strong-willed mafia player and I have a lot more experience than Cora, and I don't think I'd manage to do it so quickly. It just requires a hell of a lot of thought to weigh up the pros and cons that I don't think happens in a minute.
Going to say TG town for now, the day 1 vote I think means so little (discussed with austin/me/getmo at some point) just because of the deadline + afk players. I know VE believes this too, maybe he can clarify later.
Also going to stick with Onegu town, dumb claim was dumb but it's simply so much dumber as mafia
Bringing me down to JJD/kirby/austin (vivax). Kinda flipflopping on JJD but I think I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now - this especially may be subject to VE change which leaves me with kirby/austin. If I were going to be here I might explore and push this austin thing more, but I don't have that luxury. Which leaves me with kirby; as I pointed out before, the only thing I like in kirby's filter is his long post (coincidentally when he was looking like he would get shot - could be coincidence, could not. meh). The rest is pretty dodgy, blind tunnel on Oats, calling out Oats for activity (? compare his own), being pretty behind the curve with the claim stuff, blablabla.
Gonna put my vote there, also gonna cross my fingers that VE comes and carries today for me in my absence.
##Vote: jrkirby
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Just one more note on Cora, and this is to Firm especially. Presumably Corazon would be claiming to save his scumbuddy, TAA. There's a couple things to note about that.
1) he's going head to head with getmoript, someone already viewed as significantly more townie than Corazon. Already the chances of winning that battle are pretty small
2) EVEN if he did win that battle, getmoript gets lynched and flips detective. But then that gives away *both* TAA and Corazon.
The net of it being that even in the *best case* scenario for Corazon, he's trading 1 townie for 2 mafia. Seems terribly unlikely, no?
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On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal.
I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript.
Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town
Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town
This should answer a few questions for you.
Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
Because I got a town check on him.
If you have any additional questions, please ask.
I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely.
So annoying doing this via phone at a party. I believe this claim because we are also a detective, we have red checks on getmo and Cora.
If I were to speculate, I'd say we had 4 cops with a different sanity each. The combination of our and firm's checks means Cora is probably town though
Marv
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Nope, or I wouldn't be posting at all. Only doing so because it was critical
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On July 28 2013 04:22 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:21 FiveTouch wrote:
Nope, or I wouldn't be posting at all. Only doing so because it was critical What do you think of a fake claim by Tofu here?
Highly unlikely. I think we have 4 cops. If anyone wants fun, try to split the 4 sanities between the claims
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Imo we lynch outside the claims because I believe them all. We probably die tonight but the other two cops should be able to confirm their sanities.
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Try reading, posting on phone is he'll and I already said
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