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Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 21:05 GMT
#537
Aaaaaaaand?
who gives a shit if it's a newbie game?
That's an excuse, not a reason.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 21:07 GMT
#538
RATHER:
Pointing out that it's a newbie game is an excuse, not a reason.
The fact that you react to it compared to saying "whoops" or something similar is scummy to me t.t
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 21:09 GMT
#540
@XZAVIER
Spoil me, who's your largest scum read? Have you mentioned it and I totally missed it?
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 21:21 GMT
#542
I think that the cases against Kirby are
First of all: Convincing, he's #2 for me after Super, (as always I could be convinced either way)
Second: I think that the interactions with StiM are not condemning until we know StiM is town, since that's purely an association thing, and we have nothing to associate yet, don't be hasty there. I think what he was saying could be construed in two ways:
Way one: He knows StiM is town because he is scum and is appealing to him in a blatant and unwise manner,
or way two: He doesn't want StiM ragequitting so he's trying to make it seem like someone is on his side.
Everything else about him is pretty convincing though.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 21:27 GMT
#545
I was going to respond, but fuck it! kirby, defend yourself plx
and by that I mean bring up better lynch targets than Super, Gotard, and you
or bring evidence against one of the other two!
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 22:36 GMT
#558
On July 14 2013 07:30 Nightcat99 wrote:
Just want to give an update on my situation, I am quiet busy today but i will catch up on everything before the first day ends. Since I will be home on Sunday about 2 pm est as long as the plane doesn't screw me over again.

I would like to vote after I reread everything again that,s nt on my tiny phone screen but as far as stim's situation , I feel that he's either a bad mafia or a angry townie , so either way not worth a vote now because now everyone will put an watchful eye on him.


We've moved on from StiM, but okay, we can wait!
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 22:39 GMT
#559
On July 14 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote:
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's SuperScum.

Super introduces himself as a player who understands that people cannot always respond to posts quickly and as a player who thinks that applying pressure on other players is a good thing. His later posts do not exhibit these traits at all.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 09:53 Superfluous wrote:
I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people.


Before even starting to scum-hunt, Super is concerned with self-preservation. He is not even interested in getting good conversation flowing to produce information. Self-preservation comes first.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote:
On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote:
Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads?


At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e.


One of the first things that Super says comes to his mind is that Cloud has not posted yet. Why is this the next thing that Super thinks of, after self-preservation? He later gives a reason but I cannot understand how he arrived at that train of thought.

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On July 13 2013 10:05 Superfluous wrote:
Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though.


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On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote:
Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out.


Next Super says that he has not yet scum-hunted, but so far I was his biggest scum read. That would be fine if his reads were fluid after he actually did some scum-hunting. As we will see later though, his read on me persists until I really hammer home the point that there is no good town motivation for his read on me.

Also, why is he so worried that posting this early read might push him to being lynched? I think that it is because he already knows that he cannot actually justify his read on me.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote:
In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet.

Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of.


Next, Super calls me a lurker but says that the other Europeans should be excused for not posting much. I had already made several posts at this point and am a European myself.

He says that he wants to see more from me, but does not give any indication of what he wants to see. When I later make posts directed towards him he completely ignores then as though they are invisible. If he had a scum read on me and wanted to see more, why does he not reply to my posts?

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 23:56 Superfluous wrote:
I'd still like to here some more from Hzflank, cloud 9, night cat and other lurkers I've forgotten. Koshi and Gotard have euro time zones so it makes sense that they weren't active early on, and right now they are trying to contribute something so they're town reads for me.


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On July 14 2013 00:38 hzflank wrote:
From what I can tell, your thought process was: Super thinks that Umasi is town and hzflank thinks Umasi was scummy, therefore Super thinks that hzflank is scummy. Now Super needs to add reasons for why he thinks hzflank is scummy because Super's read should not be based on that weak day 1 association.

You may notice that since the conversation really started to flow in the way that we want it to, I have not made many posts but every single post I have made is dedicated to finding scum. Yet, of all the people you could find scummy for posting distractions you chose me.

Please tell me where I am wrong? To be specific, I do not believe your reasons for having me as your biggest scum read and I want to understand how I actually came to be your biggest scum read.


Next Super says that he still thinks I am scum. His reasons are that I have not posted anything which contributed to finding scum. I may be biased on this point, but I do not see how a town Super could say that I had not been contributing. Note that I stopped playing at around 2 AM my time last night, but Super seems to think that it was scummy of me to stop posting. Why would a town player think that?

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote:
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards.


Now, Super is still more concerned with self-preservation that with finding scum. He also gently suggests that we should consider a no lynch. If a town player was under pressure at this point they would push a scum-read as hard as they could, but they would not try for a no lynch. Super switches his primary scum read from me to Xzavier, without ever saying why I suddenly became less scummy or Xzavier became more scummy (as Xzavier has not posted in a long time). This is still self-preservation without pushing a scum target with any significant force.

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On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote:
Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.


To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting

That is how scum plays and that is not how town plays.

##Vote: Superfluous


This this all of this.


@ RAINBOWS
You played in a game where Kirby got mislynched, what do you think of this?
Do you think he's scummy or not?
Are you still going to stick with Gotard when there are more compelling cases out there to be on? (At least, ones that I think are more compelling)
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 22:51 GMT
#563
that's not me letting him off the hook, that's me saying "superfluous or jrkirby"
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 23:06 GMT
#567
pffff
Koshi, I have no idea what to think of you
but you make me laugh sometimes

yeah, it's not necessarily an "or" as in which one is scum, the other is town
more like, who are we lynching? btw, I plan to be on Superfluous unless the day would end in a no lynch, in which case I'd switch to a target that would return a lynch. (or something else changes my opinion of Superfluous/whoever the fuck)
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 13 2013 23:40 GMT
#576
On July 14 2013 08:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 08:22 Gotard wrote:
Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now.

Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel.

Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it.

##vote: jrkirby.


Do you think Superfluous is Town?


And if so, why?
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 04:24 GMT
#578
ugh. No clue how to get conversation going.
You should be in a situation where you can post now xzav, what are your thoughts?
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 04:33 GMT
#581
On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote:
Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.

That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote.


Response to this?
Specifically the first sentence.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 04:37 GMT
#582
haha~I'm holding off on switching till Kirby comes back to talk since all of this has surfaced and he hasn't been around.
I see both of them as likely to flip scum.
I can't explain why, specifically, Super is more scummy to me. Things have felt off about him from the very first post, and although he has had moments of brief like "hm maybe he's not THAT bad",,,so does kirby, as has been pointed out.
Scum are GOING to have times where they can post things that are not scummy, that's a goal of theirs.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 04:48 GMT
#585
he's just giving bland, generic commentary in the second one, look at it.
He just says like "huh maybe watch out for kirby kinda, let's talk to him, but give him a super open ended question"
"kirby what is the goal with your posts so far"
jeeeeeeeeez
give scum an easier out, please.
super
SUPER wishy washy if you as me. He just says null shit.
not null as in "null read" but null as in worthless.

The first impression strikes me as slightly townie, but seriously, that's like one + among a field of -
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 04:49 GMT
#586
I'll go look through Kirby, I remember there was something
and if I was mistaken, well darn
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 04:52 GMT
#587
Actually fuck it, it's not my job to find townie shit about kirby to talk about
someone else do it.
kirby or someone who has a townread on him, because I certainly don't
t.t

basically people getting +1s in a field of -1s isn't uncommon, because townies have -1s in fields of +1s
(-1s and +1s are flowers btw)
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 05:04 GMT
#589
uuuuuh
cloud
give independent reads.
nothing much more to say, I guess. this entrance is unimpressive and scummy (to me, and apparently I find everyone's entrance to be scummy)
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 05:10 GMT
#591
okay, if that's your motivation, woooo!
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 18:45 GMT
#652
On July 15 2013 02:25 jrkirby wrote:
Xzavier also looks scummy to me. While he hasn't voted yet, he did say:
Show nested quote +
But right now super & jkirby both blink bright red on my scumdar.

Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason.

Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is?


Still catching up on the thread this morning~~
but what if I told you that xzavier thinks you two are scummiest
because you two
are fucking scummiest

I don't like how he's been working as often as blazinghand eats dinner, but some things honestly can't be helped.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 19:02 GMT
#658
hm~still not positive who I want dead more t.t
(caught up now)
Jrkirby, what do you think about the case on Superfluous? You've hardly mentioned him ever.
Superfluous, same to you, what do you think about the case on Jrkirby?
Please don't say something noncommittal like "oh third party probably herpaderp" We don't even know if there is a third party, I don't accept that as a read at this stage in the game
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
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