EBWOP: The reason it sticks out to me is because Chrom used the same argument during the Day 1 lynch, and it managed to get the votes to swing to his target.

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On July 15 2013 07:55 Chromatically wrote:
Wow, look at all the scum resistance to this Super lynch.

Mafia may have observed that phenomenon and lightly tried to test those waters themselves (at sufficiently disparate intervals).

Hurricane Sponge

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July 18 2013 23:58 GMT

#2055

So, we're about half an hour from the Night 2 end.

My reads based on the Gotard flip:

Xzavier's filter looks worst with the Gotard flip. He supports a Super lynch over a Gotard flip because: "atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare." Not the most compelling argument ever, but I guess it's plausible as town. However, everyone else went hard after Gotard at some point, and after reading all the filters, Xzav's stuck out to me. Reading through it, both of his arguments were 'Yeah, gotard looks scummy, but here's a reason why he shouldn't be lynched: _________ '

Superfluous also seems scummy to me, which seems like a strange bedfellow for Xzavier. It's easy to pick on his post activity, but he also brings very little unique analysis to the table in his posts. There's still significant unnaccounted-for content in his filter (for example: I want him to respond to my question about what he was referencing during the Roleblock-ing conversation).

Continuing the theme, my third scummiest read is Umasi (somewhat by PoE, but his Day 2 / Night 2 doesn't help). He also catches some heat from Superfluous, but his filter when you control-f 'Gotard' doesn't look great. A lot of soft defense followed by softer FoS. He also flatly resisted moving onto Gotard Day 1 (like Xzavier did) when I floated the idea of ambushing Gotard or Koshi when we had the votes to make it happen.

Now, some of these reads seem incompatible with each other. It seems to pivot on Superfluous; both Xzavier and Umasi have targeted him with strong cases. But these three are what's left when I knock out the three guys I feel are 99.9% - 100.0% town, one who is probably Town (outside chance he's SK) but certainly not Mafia, and the other two who are fairly solidly Town by virtue of good activity levels and scumhunt-rich filters.

I don't see the value in specifically revealing my town reads right now, but if you've been following the game, the map I outlined may make sense to you. YMMV. Let me know if you absolutely have to know if someone is in some tier or something. I don't see the harm or benefits in revealing this information unsolicited, however.

One exception, because I feel it may surprise people who read my case on allah-kah-Slam:

I do not suspect Alakaslam is scum. And neither should any of you, if'n -yous- were paying attention tonight.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 20:37 GMT

#2216

Yay, we win!

Well played

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 20:39 GMT

#2219

Nope. I checked Gotard.

Alakaslam claimed JK during the night. I don't know how I'm the only one who saw it.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 20:40 GMT

#2221

Nightcat was actually the guy in my read pyramid who I said was Probably Town / Maybe SK / No way in hell Mafia.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 20:42 GMT

#2222

I'm surprised no one picked up on it. I posted a huge case on Alakaslam, he didn't defend it very well, and then I suddenly change my read on him from Scum #1 to Pure Town. The clues were there.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 20:46 GMT

#2225

Nightcat, you were my #1 scum read at the end of Night 1. Like I said in obs chat, this game setup screams of 'Fuck With The Cop' (Godfather, Framer, Unknown Miller). The mafia could make it so only 1 of their 3 guys returns red, so I tried to make cop checks based on my reads. I wanted to check the second-scummiest guy each night (Gotard night 1, Xzavier night 2) and take the results with a grain of salt.

Sure enough, when Gotard checked back 'Innocent', I figured he was Framed defensively (or the Godfather), and that helped exonerate Nightcat (my #1 read). I was going to push for a Gotard lynch either way on Day 2, but if I'd gotten a Red check back, I would have been much less active to force others to develop the wagons.

Second game ever, first as a PR (much less a cop) so tagging mafia in both of my checks makes me happy.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 21:18 GMT

#2234

They were setting up an amazing play, actually. They wanted to Roleblock the veteran and kill him in the same night, so the town would think that there was an SK running around (thinking two shots on the vet instead of a RB and a NK).

For obvious reasons, that plan didn't pan out quite as they anticipated.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 22:13 GMT

#2249

On July 22 2013 06:37 Chromatically wrote:
Sponge, were you ever actually suspicious of Alaka or was all of that a play?

I legit thought 'slam was scum until he soft-claimed JK. That case on him was solid. I went back and re-read his filter to see if it could come from a JK, and it made sense, so I backed off.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 22:15 GMT

#2250

In other words, it was not the Aqua fake pressure play I used in XLIII to stay alive. Onegu's ridiculous read on me was enough for that (although I guess it didn't end up making much of a difference in the end. I was still the second guy NK'd)

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 22:23 GMT

#2252

I dunno, maybe I'm just in synch with 'slam for whatever reason (I do have the benefit of having played in his last newbie game, and followed his Nuke Mafia game for the first 50 pages). The 'Mets' picture was the first really obvious one, but the Eagles song (and his pounding home of the 'massive building' point) had me worried that scum would shoot him that night. The danger of breadcrumbing is if scum pick it up, you're an easy target for the NK.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 22:32 GMT

#2260

On July 22 2013 07:30 Nightcat99 wrote:
Man, i shalnt have skipped slam's filter cause it was giving me a headache......

Second night kill on him instead of hzflank , would have been so good for me.

Mafia or SK definitely win if that goes down.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 22:38 GMT

#2261

(For what it's worth, I think Chrom was very townie this game. That dude hunted like a mothertrucker.)

Hurricane Sponge

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July 21 2013 22:56 GMT

#2268

On July 22 2013 07:52 Superfluous wrote:

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Yeah, if you look through my filter knowing who's who you could interpret my posts as fake soft-claiming cop. I do this a decent amount because it can make mafia waste a kill on me instead of going after real cop. Didn't work out too much this game because I had so much pressure on me early.

Also, my first two and top scumreads were hzflank and xzavier. Too pro.

If I had interpreted your soft-claim, I would have hard claimed and pushed for your lynch. Which would have ended up with both of us dead.

Hurricane Sponge

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July 22 2013 19:59 GMT

#2277

On July 23 2013 04:34 jrkirby wrote:
Were there any blues except cop and JK?

Also, everyone who I personally accused of being scum was scum: both hzflank and gotard. Major points for me?

Umasi sounded like he got vet in post-game:

On July 22 2013 05:45 Umasi wrote:
dw Nightcat
just be like me
roll vet
never be threatening, always wrong, kinda scummy but pretty townie>never get shot

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