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So who do we policy lynch D1 this game? | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: French gives me headache and reminds me of my french teacher in sixth grade...Je ne vais pas vraiment être autour jusqu'à tard ce soir, donc pas. ##Vote: WaveofShadow | ||
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On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote: http://translate.google.com/I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd. WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages. | ||
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First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers. And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town. | ||
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On June 30 2013 07:19 Vivax wrote: Somewhat. I got interested when Ray said that Marv wouldn't fake claim miller in the first 5 minutes of the game, and wanted to compare this claim to the other. I think it was Just another mini normal mafia or Normal mini mafia II, he got replaced by yamato. Is this a relevant question in your opinion? | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Stutters695 Also, stutters, what country do you live in? | ||
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Marv pls | ||
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On June 30 2013 08:06 Vivax wrote: Thanks!http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344 It was IV not II -.- So the game was a C9++ setup meaning that miller is quite likely actually and 2 millers are very unlikely making it a quite YOLO move as scum because of the risk of getting soft counter claimed. In that way, its kinda similar to this game because of the very clear risk of counter claims. I guess that means Marv does have the balls required to pull off such move as scum. | ||
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On June 30 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I disagree with your suggestion. Of course he has. It does not change the fact that marv is a bright guy and fakeclaiming miller in this game is stupid. I suggest we drop the miller claim analysis until/unless another millerclaim pops up. Start hunting scum instead. Stutters, explain your thought process behind your "do you know something i don't" comment. Vivax, why a sudden change of mind, that is really not a change of mind? What exactly is your stance on stutters/wos? WoS, why do you not post something useful instead of this nonsense? Thoughts on stutters/vivax? One could argue that Marv claiming in that other game is stupid also. He basically had a 40% chance (IIRC) to get soft counter claimed. However, when the RNG is on your side the play suddenly looks genius. The borderline between a stupid and a genius play can sometimes be very small. | ||
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While I agree talking about his claim isn't very productive untill more players have showed up, I'd rather talk about Marv than nothing. | ||
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On June 30 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: First off, Marv did not claim his role name. Secondly, yes, of course there is a risk involved with claiming fake claiming miller and even if you don't claim the same same as someone else, there is a very high chance for it to be a scum among the two players claiming. But that is beside the point. Marv was willing to take a risk in the other game. Why is it completely and utterly impossible from your point of you for him to be scum in this game? Because the only real argument you've made this far is that it is risky. The fact that there is a rolename for each possible miller. If you fakeclaim, you take a 50% chance of 1-1 trade as mafia, which is not good 5min into D1. On June 30 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:There is lot to talk about. Stutters and WoS are scummy. Do you agree? We talk about marv more when he posts more. Like I already said, I think your points against stutters are good. The fact that he is very fast to doubt Marv's claim yet does not take a clear stance, the fact that he said that his french is rusty instead of just translating the sentence and the fact that he asks why his own posts are bad and then goes on to afk is rubbing me in a bad way.WoS isn't contributing in anyway, which is bad. His posting is careless though and its bad no matter what alignment he is basically. Mildly suspicious. | ||
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On June 30 2013 10:10 Lazermonkey wrote: First off, Marv did not claim his role name. Secondly, yes, of course there is a risk involved with claiming fake claiming miller and even if you don't claim the same same as someone else, there is a very high chance for it to be a scum among the two players claiming. But that is beside the point. Marv was willing to take a risk in the other game. Why is it completely and utterly impossible from your point of you for him to be scum in this game? Because the only real argument you've made this far is that it is risky. On June 30 2013 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Convincing argument!It doesn't make sense and marv is good as scum. Srsly, if you think he/me is scum tell us why, if you do not, question elsewhere. Marv is probably town yes, however he is not the modconfirmed 100% mega town guy you seem to think. | ||
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Didn't know there was a voting thread -.- I guess you learn something new everyday! Is Vayne a lynch bait or something? Makes a post about why I am scummy for several bad reasons. Then what? nothing... He makes 4 addiotional posts but doesn't follow up at all. Thhese posts are just general BS about why we shouldn't policy lynch him and that gumshoe is town because On June 30 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now Pretty suspicious of him calling me out for not wanting to scum hunt, yet he doesn't follow up his own suspicions a singel bit. Why doesn't he try to convince others that I am suspicious rather than defend himself when he is in no danger of dying? | ||
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On June 30 2013 19:12 Vivax wrote: Good point.GUYS GUYS. Alright, first of all, I'm still at page 9 while writing this. But I thought about all of this miller thing. First : It's good that we have that claim. Parity cop can simply check marv and prime his check for the following nights. Second: WHY did marv not claim miller along with a name? That is actually pretty scummy. Millers have names in this game, and two possibly different ones. For a scum fakeclaiming it makes sense to withhold your name cause you don't know if there's another miller. If you fakeclaim with name, you are at risk of getting counterclaimed for having the same name. And overall: Why doesn't marv post his full miller PM at once? He should still do that and if he can't we lynch him. If he does we have to consider that it can come from the host. But if iGrok doesn't give one to him he can't and we lynch him. Ezpz. | ||
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On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia? Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself: Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so? If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv. | ||
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Also, I don't understand why me trying to recognize him as a lynch bait makes me look suspcious in your eyes. If he is a lynch bait, everyone will know that sooner or later. Thing is, scum can just ignore the fact he is a lynch bait and just push him because he looks scummy. Applying your logic in the case of a Vayne lynch, I would bad because I questioned if he was a lynch bait whereas scum looks better because they didn't. | ||
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On June 30 2013 20:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't get how the sentences are contradicting each other : /. And its not really that much of WIFOM. If I am scum, couldn't I just say "hey, these posts by Vayne probably means he is scum" and then just push for his lynch, not giving a fuck? Instead I said "hey, these posts by Vayne are suspcious, but if he usually plays like this then its not that big of a scum tell". The first two sentences in your second paragraph are contradictory. The rest of it is WIFOM. My point was that whether he is lynchbait or not, I won't be using that to determine whether or not he is worthy of being lynched and I don't feel that attempting to determine as such one way or the other is a particularly towny thing to do. And no, I'm obviously not giving him auto-town status just because he is a lynch bait, that would be retarded Lol. But there is a reason lynch baits are lynch baits. They get lynched. On June 30 2013 20:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Okay, this is what I wanted from you!Now as far as his post: This is completely antithetic to what Vayne's play has consisted of so far on TL. I can't make heads or tails from it because this is more character/post analysis than he normally does D1 and as well he promises to contribute more. If you want to treat this simply as is, ignore his meta and say it's scummy because of no followup then that's your prerogative but I'd like to see more from him before making a call. If I were to ignore his meta and look strictly at this post I probably wouldn't like it either, especially the '6th post' comment which I'd like him to expand upon eventually. For what it's worth, the towniest he has ever played thus far in my opinion was his scum game. As a side note, my 6th post is this On June 30 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote: Maybe I'm a bit biased in this issue (^^)but I fail to see how this makes me scum.Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller? | ||
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More stuff: He is active He hunts scum He calls me town ^^ A player that interests me at the moment is Oats. For those of you who are very lazy, let me summarize his filter. Rayn is scum Rayn is scum Rayn is scum Stutters is null Rayn is scum Rayn is scum Rayn is scum Lazermonkey scum cuz ??? Rayn is scum Vivax town cuz we tunnel the same person Rayn is scum (I'm not even kidding Lol, his tunnel really is this bad) He is avoiding all other topics like a boss. While it isn't per say bad that you attack players you think is scum, this shouldn't come at the cost of commenting on everyone else. A really easy way to play scum is just to non stop attack someone, this way you appear to be contributing when you are in fact not. As for Oats, I'm still bit inconclusive atm but he is giving bad vibes and I'm leaning scum. There are more than one scum in this game Oats, feel like trying to find someone else? | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tunnel you mean?No Lazer, this is what Oats does as town. He's probably town. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote: LolWhat topics Lazer? I think you are scum because there is no doubt in your mind that marv is town. WAT WAT WAT WAT WAT Seriously? Are you kidding me? or what? Lol? I didn't say marv was confirmed town, did I? I was the guy who stayed up all night to argue with Rayn why Marv WASN'T confirmed mafia. You may discuss anything you like except for Rayn. The discussion isn't very productive atm I'd say. You have made you opinion very very very clear. So has Rayn. If you really think he is scum there really is no reason for you to keep on arguing with him, is it? you don't need to convince him of being scum himself... With that said, I'd love you to give your opinions on Vayle and Stutters! | ||
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On June 30 2013 22:56 Vivax wrote:I also mentioned that Lazer made the same mistake in not assuming the genuine perspective, here: Knowing that marv is town, he didn't assume that there could be no miller. On June 30 2013 23:13 Vivax wrote: Maybe I'm missunderstanding what your point is here but here is how I saw it. ? Lazer says marv is probably town cause there can only be 1 miller. And that while knowing that he fakeclaimed miller in another game. Initially impression is that Marv should be town because of reasons I stated. Of course there could be 0 millers but if marv is scum he doesn't know that. Thats the risky part of the claim (obviously). However, when I read the game it became clear that marv did a very similar thing in a similar game, making me less sure of the fact that he is town. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:15 Stutters695 wrote: If this is true you've done it in an interesting way I'd say. The discussion you have generated this far has been about you being scum.@WoS Je m'en fous This is how I always play. My day 1 reads are notoriously bad. I find generating discussion to be a much better use of my time. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:23 Oatsmaster wrote: /facepalmyou might wanna change that word. This post basically. You talk all about 2 millers would be OP and that 1 miller means that marv is town. What? Like you dont take into account the fakeclaiming marv at all in this paragraph. In essence, this paragraph is saying that there is probably only 1 miller for balance reasons. And that marv is town. what jump did you take to get there? First off, like I've said over 9000 times already, I'm nowhere as sure that Marv is town as I were when I wrote that post in the start of the game. This post was based on the assumption that: 1. Marv doesn't take crazy risks 2. There are probably not 2 millers in the game 3. There could very well be 1 miller in the game. With above facts, it would be very easy to draw the conclusion that marv is not scum beuse if he were, there is a high chance he could get counter claimed. When I then looked at the other game, I found out that marv did in fact claim miller as scum in a game where 2 millers were almost impossible but 1 was quite likely, just like this game. Thats why I changed my mind. But even ignoring that, its BS to say that someone is scum just because they are convinced that someone is town. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Yhea, filters really are hard to read, no?So lazer, stutters is scum? Why? | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:29 Stutters695 wrote: If this is true I will punch my head into something hard. Whats the deal with playing if your not playing? Read any game I've played. Usually people suspect me day 1 for the exact same reasons but not before someone else already has a train on them so it never goes anywhere. Usually I'd have maybe three posts by this time but I'm trying to improve my play. If that results in a d1 mislynch on me, so be it. It helps me learn for later. Give me reads. Give me something. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:32 Oatsmaster wrote: post it here. in your next post. There is lot to talk about. Stutters and WoS are scummy. Do you agree? We talk about marv more when he posts more. Like I already said, I think your points against stutters are good. The fact that he is very fast to doubt Marv's claim yet does not take a clear stance, the fact that he said that his french is rusty instead of just translating the sentence and the fact that he asks why his own posts are bad and then goes on to afk is rubbing me in a bad way. | ||
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Look HOW he defends stutters. Not by saying why he is town. He is doing it by a really funky chain saw defense but purely against the points that Rayn makes. On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far. I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him:And here's the post in question:I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town? On June 30 2013 13:10 JarJarDrinks wrote: How is the post scummy though? Yes, It's a pretty dumb statement because like you said: It makes no sense to think that scum would know how many millers are in the game. Which means there's no way the that it could implicate rayn as scum. So if any thought was given to that post, stutters would realize that. I think the fact that stutters clearly made the post without giving it much thought makes him more likely to be town. On June 30 2013 14:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: And look how he avoids to actually take a stance on either Stutters or Rayn. He just calls Rayn wierd and says his arguments are bad. But that doesn't make Stutters town in any way.Yeah this is what I was saying. If Stutters meant it as an accusation, it wasn't well thought out. I'd think that if scum was about to accuse someone of being scummy, they would first ask themselves "Is this at all believable?" Yhea, I can kill this guy. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay, fair enough. I'll give you that things have changed and that those things aren't exactly the best to base reads off anymore. Though I still think its fishy that he didn't translate those posts. And that he doesn't really put any effort into the game and later justify that by saying "that's how I always play". But Jarjar looks worse. Stutters can wait actually. how many fucking posts has stutters posted since then? At least double from when that was posted lazer. lets look at it. First point, isnt doubting marvs claiming meaning he thinks that marv might be scum? thats a stance. second point. thats a non-issue. third point: again, I dont see that being alignment indicative. Im sick and tired of people posting old posts about someone when things have changed. Gumshoe, if Rayn flips town, then I will be sorely disappointed. Ill probably move on to WoS I guess. I dunno, lotta time between now and lynch. Fuba is a lurker lynch, I dont think anything he posted is alignment indicative so far. I like that JJD thinks rayn is scum too, buddying works guys. Seriously, his suspicions on solstice is good I think, its a good point and some of what solstice posted there isnt awesome. Basically, he appears to be thinking like me and for today at least, I dont wanna lynch him. Dont know about GoT, dont care about GoT. So you think Stutters is scum mainly for activity issues. Come on. Thats not a good way to read someone. Think of a better reason or drop your read. ##Unvote ##Vote: JarJarDrinks | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Stutters has done less scummy things than Jarjar. Veyne I'm still having as a scum read. I could probably vote Vayne as well but there is no point in me voting him if there is noone else on. JJD looks worse because? What makes him different from stutters? Or Vayne? What is your take on Vayne yo? | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:16 gumshoe wrote: I'll sheep this guy I think. He seems resonable. A) buddying B) Not throwing around concrete threats but definitely alot of shiit. C) Severely flip floppy. D) doesn't contribute anything really. E) recycles others opinions. F) Attacks people who are actively contributing, thereby attacking discussion itself. All this in just three posts, it's remarkable really. How can you defend this guy just because he agrees with you? In fact if I was you(and was actually town) I would revaluate my opinion on Rayne just because THIS guy supports it. I'll look at Vayne next, but I'm pretty set on Jar Jar seeing as hes far far worst than Stutters whose principal offence in my eyes was just timing based / : | ||
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2. He basically said rayn is scum and stutters is town through his posts although he didnt use those words. Lol. He does not. He only attacks Rayns argument. That is NOT the same thing as saying he is scum and stutters is town. | ||
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4. He made a case on solstice that none of you bothered to say why its bad. On June 30 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: is not a case in a million years. Sorry.My top scum suspect right now is s0Lstice. His entire first post + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote: my inbox is evergreen lots of scummy shit happening right now, so let's get to work. this is the scummiest post in the thread so far: Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters. Early town read on Rayn for diving on this. His reaction exactly matched mine. I don't agree at all with your town read on Lazer though, Rayn. Look at how much time he has spent on Marv's miller claim. You know how to deal with a miller claim? You ignore it. All it means is don't DT check the person and that's it. Figure out their alignment just like you would anybody else. The fact that he goes on and on about it looks to me not like he is trying to get at Marv's alignment, but rather he is feeling comfortable talking about a very safe topic in preference to anything of consequence. When he made this quote: ...there was plenty to talk about. Doesn't sit right with me. More, his conclusion from the discussion should be the public assertion that Marv is not 100% confirmed town. He mentions this, but hesitates to draw a line between scummy or wrong for the people who are saying otherwise (Rayn). Smells fishy. Vivax- What are you doing here? Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here, and said activity would be light in the early going? Explain yourself. Explain this too while you're at it: Who gives a shit? Why are you so self-conscious? Anyway, little break now. More in just a bit. | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:22 Vivax wrote: I don't get this. So your issue is that I assumed that there had to be a miller? I didn't. If I had, why would I even have written that shit? If I knew there was 1 miller and 1 miller only then scum cannot fake claim. Or, they can but its at best a 1-1 trade. The reason I wrote that was because I wanted to showcase why the hypothetical, less risky marv, would not claim miller when he was scum because if there was a real miller in the game, he would look really really bad. Counter claim chance in the other game was 60 or 40 %, don't remember which one, I think that's fairly high and also applies to this game. What matters though is that you said marv would be likely town cause two millers are unlikely, dismissing the option that there could be no miller, like Rayn did. It's not bullshit to assume someone is scum cause they are convinced someone is town. If someone gives a town read without proper reasons then it's indicative that they knew their alignment beforehand. You and Rayn clearly didn't look at this matter from the perspective of someone who sees a miller claim and thinks "Oh ok he did it in some other game, I'll judge him by his play then". You say "Oh he claimed he must be town then" (You not as much as Rayn, but you said to Rayn that you agree on marv being probably town and then decided for it once you concluded that two millers are impossible). And when you got gunned for reasons you constructed pretty strange explanations for your reads. In case that anyone didn't read my case yet, I urge you to go through it and at least comment on it: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2013 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote: well yeah Im just saying that Rayn isnt scum for not knowing about previous game where marv fakeclaimed miller and replaced out. Rayn is scummy for his unnatural confidence into marv being town. Followed by him not adapting his opinion to the new information posted about marv and using whatever he can to justify his unjustified townread. What we have in Rayn is probably a scum seeing a townie claim and immediately taking sides for the townie. From a scum point of view, claiming townies seem to be in a strong position, especially when they know that their team will not counterclaim the townie. They will usually try to pick the right side rather than fighting the claim, scum loves to be on the right side. They feel it's going to earn them trust if they simply take the claim at face value and move on to other stuff, defending the townie against other people's doubts, expecting to look like they were right. A lot of Rayn's reasoning for marv being town stems from the fact that he assumes that there can't be two millers. That is fallacious, and a scumslip, Lazermonkey fell for the same mistake, as I will show you (also notice that Lazermonkey pointed out some of Rayn's mistakes but doesn't pursue him as scumread). 1. Rayn quickly thought post-claim that two millers weren't possible. On June 30 2013 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cool. If nobody counterclaims the next step is that the third party (if here) is going to protect you. On June 30 2013 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv, now that i can be sure that you are town and i do actually have to find scum instead of bullshitting around, let's work together and find all the mafia on D1. Deal? On June 30 2013 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I bet that was not 5 minutes into the game when one person has posted before you. That is really an unnecessary risk that i do not think you would take as scum in case the real miller is present. (stutters says there can be two millers) On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already. What's scummy about this:
Implication: → Rayn did not really expect a counterclaim, as seen in point 2, 3 and 4. Only a fraction of players posted at the time so it was not rational to dismiss a counterclaim that quickly. He explains his reasoning here: On June 30 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is how i see it: marv claimed before iGrok announced the cop is in fact a parity cop. In case the cop was normal and as there is no GF, it's fair that there is one miller. Two millers make the game insanely hard for a cop, and with two miller claims town might run in circles finding which of the millers is "mafia". As for parity cop, having two millers ease up the game much. If the parity cop is stupid enough to not check marv on N1, they still can check the other miller claim on N2 (as if marv is town he will die on N1) and use that to confirm his earlier and future checks. If there is no cop there is no point in having millers. One might be okay in the sense that it fucks with the town, but not too much. Two millers and no cop is basically impossible. marv would not claim miller in either scenario because there is no need to. So that's why i think marv is town and there is exactly 1 miller. I agree that Lazer is probably town. His opening post was careless and i don't think he would have done that as scum. His vote on WoS is good as WoS is probably scum. :D What do you think about Stutters? Mainly his posts about the miller thing. They are really really bad. Let's dissect this: 1. Rayn says only one miller is possible with standard cop (don't even know why he mentioned this as it's unrelated) 2. Rayn says two millers make the game too easy for parity cop coz he can prime his check on one N2 if the other dies N1 (lolz) 3. Rayn says only one miller is possible with no cop. Also no miller is possible. And he says: THAT'S WHY MARV IS TOWN (cause two millers are unlikely) This question arises: It sticks out that in all of this, Rayn never considers that town could have no miller. Why does Rayn not consider that town has no miller? Cause he first gave marv full credit (too quickly, knowing that the claim must be true) and now has to justify it. Cause he knew that marv's claim was true, and hence had trouble imagining things from a perspective where town could have no miller. Futhermore: On June 30 2013 09:41 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: To expand on that, what is it that makes you think that marv is to bright to fake claim miller in this game despite having done so in another game. The claim was risky in that game, just as the hypothetical fake claim would be in this game. Still you say there cannot be a possibilty that Marv is scum in this game. On June 30 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fact that there is a rolename for each possible miller. If you fakeclaim, you take a 50% chance of 1-1 trade as mafia, which is not good 5min into D1. There is lot to talk about. Stutters and WoS are scummy. Do you agree? We talk about marv more when he posts more. Rayn was well aware of the fact that millers have names. And yet he said that marv would not have claimed miller cause a guy with the same name would have gotten one of them lynched. BUT MARV NEVER CLAIMED HIS NAME, and Rayn never asked him for it. This shows that Rayn had the intention to defend marv, not that he was figuring out his alignment genuinely. For us, it means that today we should lynch Rayn imo. I also mentioned that Lazer made the same mistake in not assuming the genuine perspective, here: On June 30 2013 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote: Regarding the the possibilties of there being two millers in the setup. First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers. And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town. Knowing that marv is town, he didn't assume that there could be no miller. Actually, reading through your case now, I can see where you are comming from. But really, I had very similar thoughts to what Rayn had, at least in the beginning of the game, and I could very well see town writing those posts as well. What is your thoughts on Jarjar? I really don't see how you want to kill Rayn over him at this point... | ||
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On July 01 2013 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS, I'm kinda neutral on atm. I don't feel like killing him. Lazer, Vivax is probably scum and JarJar or WoS is his scumbuddy, JarJar more likely. There are three people who should know how i work and how i develop my reads. WoS, Oats and Vivax. Oats becomes and idiot who tunnels someone for the whole phase, and by his other posts he looks very town. WoS, i don't really know what he thinks of me and why. Vivax is just... well saying nothing but asking me about stuff i have explained or debunked already. Vivax has been giving me really bad vibes the last few pages. He really went overboard with the tunneling, though I don't think tunneling in it self is a scum tell. Also, Vivax is actually talking alot, compared to others in this game and I'm not too keen on killing one of the most active posters in the game D1. We really should kill Jarjar... | ||
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On July 01 2013 07:29 Vivax wrote: JESUZ. Okay, I'll try one more time to explain. If you still don't get it then I'll just drop the issue. Maybe I'm just being terribly unclear, but w/e. I don't think this is a very important point TBH and I'd rather focus on something more productive...Again... I don't know, am I reading something wrong here? I see you claiming that marv is probably town cause there can't be two millers. But you just stated that you didn't assume that there had to be a miller. On the contrary, your post in question is footed on the idea that there is a miller and that it's marv, and that he's town cause there can't be two millers. What I thought when I wrote that post: 1. There are probebly not two millers 2. There are either 1 or 0 millers 3. Assume Marv is not playing risky as scum (which I was wrong about, which is why I got abit unsure of my read on marv.) Now 4. Assume marv IS scum. 5. Assume marv is at least as smart as myself thus 6. Marv knows there is one or zero millers in the game. 7. Marv knows that if there are one miller in the game and he claims, he is fucked. 8. Marv decides not to claim. combine that with 9. marv claims miller. 10. We just went through why he isn't scum, so naturally we would think he is scum. | ||
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On July 01 2013 07:50 Vivax wrote: No. Almost anyone is better than Rayn at this point.Well what's sure is that your explanation is easier to buy than Rayn's. At least you checked if it was possible that marv would fakeclaim, and you put out your reasoning for assuming he's town. That's why we lynch Rayn today and not you. Don't you think it's a sweet idea? | ||
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For the love of god, don't kill Rayn. His posting has been extremly towie recently! | ||
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Rayn, Marv, Vivax and Oats are irrelevant for todays lynch. Even though I have some suspicions against Vivax he is not a realistic lynch at this point + these four guys are the ones who are going to get shot first if they are town. Solstice looks good after a quick look. Jarjar is close to confirmed atm. Gumshoe is looking decent this far. That leaves stutters, Vayne, fuba and WoS. First impression is that Vayne or fuba deserves my vote, but I'll be looking a bit closer into it now... | ||
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I remember the game started 47 hours from now, but OP says its in two hours... | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Ow, missed that. Still WoS claimed that you had played a style that didn't "fit" TL and that the most townie you you played was when you was scum, guess I misinterpreted that. what is "lynchbait" to you? I have already stated that I have never been lynched while playing on TL...and yes I am jumping around on you a lot ill openly admit that. But I think the scummy qualities you are emitting override the town qualities you are emitting, I changed my opinion when vivax directed me toward the noir mafia game. Lol, I bet you didn't even open noir mafia. If you read some of the end game comments you'll see what Vivax said isn't true at all. We won that because town was lazy fuck. I had like 6 pages filter and was considered active in a game that went to D3. I wasn't good at looking townie. And even if I was, this is still a stupid conclusion to draw. Yhea, this guy looks quite townie, but he can play townie as scum as well so I'll lynch him. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote: He claimed a townie. JJD has redeemed himself in the 2nd half of the day? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:23 Vivax wrote: Summarize the case on WoS.Lazer, u realize that the only guy who has a chance to be lynched besides you is probably WoS and maybe fuba given his strange in-post-switch? Given your spare comments about the two it would be nice if you could lead us towards a read on them, if you are town. Also, only 3 votes on me, we can still swap to anyone really. + I can just claim if shit hits the fan. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well, this looks like BS to me but I don't have time to argue right now. He has similar suspects to me, besides Stutters. He has good reasoning behind his posts. He is looking into places i think are right. @everyone, please give your opinion on Vayne... | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:26 Vivax wrote: I don't get it. Why would I be suspicious of him becuase of the policy shit?This is one of the reasons I didn't like WoS. He talks lengthy about stuff that isn't conclusive or relevant for finding scum. He talked with you about this btw. Given you have Vayne as scumread, and WoS called him a policy lynch after arguing with you that he can't be called lynchbait, why weren't you at least a little suspicious of WoS? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:30 Vivax wrote: That just seems retarded as either alignment...Maybe cause he writes a lengthy post for why Vayne isn't lynch bait, then concludes with saying that he doesn't have a read on him and is a policy lynch? You had a scumread on him, I would imagine that such a post would raise red flags for me if I had Vayne as scumread. It already did without me having Vayne as scumread. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:32 marvellosity wrote: Marvwhy are we not lynching Vayne? His filter is extraordinarily short (i know, i know). also just found this Vayne pretty much admits himself in past games that he likes to solve games by night interactions and kills, claims etc. Seems completely against his MO to advise against it this game. 12 Points ! | ||
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##Vote: Vayne YOLO, will swap to WoS if need be. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: You realize I was gone all day, right? What do you marv think about Lazer having Vayne as a scumread for all the game and not pushing him at any point until 30min before the lynch? That does not raise red flags at all? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:36 Stutters695 wrote: That is far from the only scummy thing he has done this game...I saw that too Marv. Why that's null for me is there is a huge difference between mass claiming that breaks the game before anyone has even been lynched and solving it via actions that are controllable. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:39 Vivax wrote: Read. Filter.Hey Lazer, what about Oats and me? Where did your reads of us go? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I admitt that I was lazy, I don't feel like spending 5h+ on this game every day, I'm sorry. Doesn't make me scum though.Yet you have posted a lot yesterday. Instead of pushing Vayne you hopped on JarJar "because nobody would lynch Vayne with you". Yes. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Fuba, why aren't you doing anything productive at all? The writing of the first line and the writing in the last substantial paragraph happened about four hours apart. There were quite a few pages between those, and you presented a perspective I hadn't considered. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:45 s0Lstice wrote: Ignore stutters please. This lynch is between me/fuba/WoS/Vayne.While I'm catching up..I see Marv is back. Marv, do me a favor and read through Stutters quick and tell me what you think. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:48 marvellosity wrote: Whats your take on fuba, doesn't comment on anything at all about the current lynch but just arguing about shit with stutters (who isn't a realistic lynch today) and defendinghimself.I think vayne is an extremely good lynch, i think wos is a decent backup lynch. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:50 Stutters695 wrote: His filter is like 1 centimeter long. Just read it.I'll check out Vayne Marv, care to point out what you see though? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: 40*so we have 10min, who do we lynch? Marv are you sure vayne is scum? | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:52 mkfuba07 wrote: GG scum. GG.rofl, it's because I think stutters is scum. My problem with the lynch is that I want to lynch rayn, which apparently isn't going to happen today, or stutters, who I'm surprised so many people have a town read on. It's not a "stupid fucking argument". Of course, if you didn't play in Roulette then you might not understand what I'm talking about, but there are contradictions between how he played then and how he's playing now that point towards him being scum. Unfortunately, as those contradictions center around his responses to me, others apparently don't find that compelling. So, I'm trying to look at the possible lynches, and figuring out who is most likely to flip scum. Problem is, most of the people we're discussing now are people I haven't taken a hard look at. So let me dive... | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yhea, but igrok just said...OP says: 48/24 Time cycle, deadline 00:00 CAT (+02:00), which is 8min from now.. | ||
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this fucking sucks I appologize for this alot but my OP really says the deadline is in 1 hour | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote: JarJar is very liekly not scum... noone counter claimed his role, which means that unless he was really really lucky, he cannot be scum.I've just been staring at that quote Vivax brought up. Does seem pretty contradictory. Maybe we should lynch him if he doesn't come back to explain himself shortly. | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:25 Vivax wrote: Wait, what quote?haha so many misunerstandings among the latest posts He means fuba's quote, not yours or mine probably | ||
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I will not get shot today, not in a million years, so the fact that I'm holding some reads isn't really going to affect the game too much. If anyone got some questions, feel free to ask! | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not really. Though I am not all so sure of the fact that he is town anymore. But for tomorrow I don't think he is the correct choice. I'd rather kill fuba first. However, a fuba/Marv scum team seems rather possible to me at this point. Thing is, if Marv really is town, he has a high chance of getting shot. + fuba is far more scummy than Marv in general.wanna lynch marv? | ||
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He didn't comment on me, WoS or fuba, although he ends up voting fuba without any explanation. All he did was comment on stutters. | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably not. And I don't feel like searching. Lazer can you show me even one mini game where scum have 2 KP and there were miller(s) but no cop? Can you show me a game with 2KP and there were miller(s) but no cop and the ability to semi confirm yourself as town by claiming your role? Because that is the relevant question in this case I'd say. | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf? How is that relevant? I am saying there is no millers and no cop. Weren't your point that Marv shouldn't doubt my claim had he been miller? | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well, I wouldn't consider him confirmed town, if thats what you are thinking. Just like I don't consider Marv confirmed town just becasue I'm cop. The fact that you think this is alignment indicative is really stupid.Lazer, if you were a miller in this game, would you doubt an uncc'd cop? Why? I don't care about solstice atm, i care about convincing townies to lynch marv because he is 100% scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Lol, I think you are town -.-Is this a question you present to your scumread? Do you think solstice/me are more likely scum than marv? | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you barely had mentioned him this far...Ehh.. then why do you say "You've barely mentioned him this far."? Why does it matter to you if i have mentioned him or not if you think i am town? Townies usually do not mention people who are not their top suspects often. If I think youre town but aren't looking in the right direction, why wouldn't I want to change that? | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: But aren't you basing everything on that Marv is scum then? Drawing conclusions between unflipped players are dangerous...If you disregard Marv what do you think of him? His action during teh lynch etc?I don't see anything scummy in Solstice's posts. His interactions with marv make me think he is even more townier than before. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote: No please don't, Rayn is most likely town. My point is that he is stupid, not that he is scum.I didn't even bother with all that shit D1 honestly. Should I go back and try to sift through it? I doubt Rayn is scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct?What's wrong with my thought process? Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour? | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so. Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: First off. There was no case. I said he was scummy because of stuff.This is what i see. - marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into - i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos - he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense" - you come in with a last minute case on vayne - marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead? Secondly, at least I thought that we had one extra hour (which we did get in the end...) so marvs comment wasn't really that last minute. Thirdly, marv couldn't possibly just think Vayne was more scummy? If fuba ends up flipping red I agree that marv looks really bad for this, but untill then I don't read too much into this. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yhea but Marv claimed that he didn't think I was scum and then I still think it makes alot of sense. He could obviously be faking at as scum but it comes down to WIFOM at that point. The main point is that marv asks who should he read. When i tell who to read (and Vayne gave pretty much same suspects), marv does not read those suspects, instead he votes with one of the suspects!! How the fuck does that make sense if you have not caught up with the thread? | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you dumb? how is this alignment indicative? I displayed several things in his play that would indicate scum play, however that does not make a case.EBWOP: WTF! YOU HAD BEEN CALLING HIM SCUM FOR ALL GAME! AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF "STUFF"???? scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: So there is no way town marv could belive that I am trying? Or what is your point here?Yeah this seems like an convincing argument: And that was AFTER he voted for vayne. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rayn is a retard...WoS why are you not trying to ask Lazer anything at all? Lazer vice versa. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I notice fuba hasn't responded to my question. Lazer would you like to comment on the conversation currently happening between Rayn and I? | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, Im suggesting marv looked into Vayne 90 minutes before the suggested deadline instead of town's suspects. Whether he did that because of my posts or not, I don't know. I don't get why me not having a case against Vayne at the point is relevant? Alot of people get lynched without having a case on them. Or how are you defining a cse?So your suggestion is that marv decided to look into vayne 30 min before the assumed deadline instead of looking into town's suspects because you did think he is scummy but didn't even make a case (which i btw confronted you at that time if you remember). Seems legit- | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be fair, I don't understand it either. Have a nice evening getting shot! Also, I don't care about WoS, we have 48 hours to talk later. kkthxbye...Also Lazer, i don't know why you need to be so defencive about marv? Talk with WoS instead, i am interested in seeing what you guys talk about. He asked you a question already. | ||
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First off, its really funky that scum would RNG their RB on WoS, sure stuff like that happends but its not really helping WoS in any way. But what I really find interesting is, now that we "have" both a cop and a vigi with a shot AND are not at MYLO today, even if vigi hits townie, scum cannot prevent both of these at the same time with a single roleblock, which means scum will either have to shoot me (which is kinda good, given so many are suspicious of me now, Lol : D) or they'll have to let WoS take his shot and risk it hitting scum. So really, not me nor WoS should get lynched today. We will be able to do stuff with night action if we are both town and if we are scum you can just kill us later. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:43 s0Lstice wrote: Read it again, my last paragraph was a response to Vayne who first said I was town then null and then out of a sudden scum for no other reason than that Vivax said I can play quite townie as scum. Which is a terrible argument I'd say. It is nothing about justifying the Vayne lynch both ways. OH actually this is interesting. I missed it He justifies the Vayne lynch going BOTH ways. As in he wants to lynch him for looking crazy scummy...oh but he would also lynch him for looking town because he looks the most town as scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Lazer is mafia. This is the exchange that he is referencing- His whole D1 besides a couple of his first comments, particularly his stance of Vayne and what he said about it on N1, rofl On July 03 2013 05:31 Lazermonkey wrote: Are you dumb? how is this alignment indicative? I displayed several things in his play that would indicate scum play, however that does not make a case. On July 03 2013 05:36 Lazermonkey wrote: So just because I didn't write an essay on how Vayne is scum means I don't have the right to chase him? That doesn't make any sense at all. I admitt to being somewhat lazy in attacking Vayne but on the other hand I explained quite clearly why that was. I felt the Vayne was playing was very similar to the bad town play you see in some players who are always up for lynch no matter what day or alignment they have. That was why I felt uneasy to vote him. No, Im suggesting marv looked into Vayne 90 minutes before the suggested deadline instead of town's suspects. Whether he did that because of my posts or not, I don't know. I don't get why me not having a case against Vayne at the point is relevant? Alot of people get lynched without having a case on them. Or how are you defining a cse? Also, I was very unsure of when the dead line was, something that You'll see quite clearly if you look at my filter. I then also missread what Igrok said here as that the dead line would be 5:30... On July 02 2013 05:50 iGrok wrote: Hey guys, running a bit late from work, lynch will end at proper time, I'll tally the votes by 5:30. Please don't talk after voting has ended. Thanks! On July 02 2013 05:55 Lazermonkey wrote: OW FUCK On July 02 2013 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki - American Parity Cop (German/Not German) On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:- HC-defends marv for no reason (him being legit cop does not make marv town) First off, how does this even make me scum? The only way it would is if marv would actually be scum. But then why would I (bad) want to defend marv (one of the best) instead of letting him doing it himself?Also On July 03 2013 04:16 Lazermonkey wrote: I rest my case...Am I the only one who find it insanely ironic that Rayn is getting shit stormed like mad D1 because he didn't react to the miller claim from "the PoV that town should have done", yet he is all over marv becuase he didn't react to the cop claim from "the PoV that miller should have"? Seriously Rayn, pull your shit together... On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:- really shitty answers to me, for example straight out lying about him knowing the deadline was +1 hours I already explained the deadline issue. I don't know what other shitty answers he is refering to so I'm just going to ignore this issue.On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I said I was mad and demoralized, mostly at myself, for my actions during D1. That I didn't feel like playing all night. Also, this is yet another display of Ryan's insane confirmation bias towards me- completely disappearing when i try to set up a convo between him/WoS, as he had nothing more to argue. Rayn: Say something to WoS Me: Naw, fuck this game, I don't feel like saying anything to WoS. Rayn: OMFG, U SCUM LAZOR? Would it not be easier for me to just ask some random shit ass question to WoS instead of just going away? I'm not saying me going away is a town tell but treating it as a scum tell, especially when I said that I didn't want to play alot at that point, is beyond me. On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this is just retarded.- pointing out "hilarious stuff", which i could not know as i assumed scum had 1 KP. OF COURSE THAT FUCKING CHANGES MY POINT OF VIEW! | ||
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On July 03 2013 19:54 Vivax wrote: Explain how fubas claim make him look more town...I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though. What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them. Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ. fuba claimed survivor. gumshoe claimed blue. s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly. JJ was the first to claim his name. I am (totally not unbiased  ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches. | ||
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On July 03 2013 20:04 Vivax wrote: Probably stutters if I had to chose someone right at this moment. I'm chosing him, gumshoe, s0lstice and prehaps Oats today. Everyone else, I think is town except for WoS who I'm thinking is likely scum but night actions should be able to give a clearer picture regarding his alignment, so I'd rather save him today.Lazer, who will you lynch if you can't lynch fuba. | ||
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He doesn't actually care about the lynch at all... He talks about why he is not scum, talks about about why Rayn is scum and then changes his mind regarding Rayn. He thinks stutters i scum. But none of these are relevant for the D1 lynch basically. It was a WoS/me/him and then also Vayne. Yet he basically says nothing about any of these 3. He gives a really simple explanation of why WoS is town when he is called out for it. Votes Vayne cuz...? He comes in claims survivor and then what? Nothing. No scum hunting no nothing. ##Vote: mkfuba07 | ||
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On July 03 2013 20:02 Lazermonkey wrote: Still this Vivax. You are also allowed to answer, marv!Explain how fubas claim make him look more town... | ||
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On July 03 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote: I do. WoS is a bad lynch for today unless we are 101% sure he is scum. And we aren't. Who cares | ||
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On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote: You don't seem to be even close to 101% sure that WoS is scum here. So why do you disagree? As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible. P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like. ##Vote: WaveofShadow | ||
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On July 03 2013 20:35 marvellosity wrote: Even then, if we wait untill night, we will get much more info from it. If he is lying then scum will have to shoot suboptimally and if he is town, scum will then have to decide to either hold a shot or just accept the fact that he is 100% confirmed town once there is 3 shots. And they can't roleblock him, because then I'll get to check someone. And if they shoot both of us, then congratz, you've just lost both of your most suspicious townies right away!Sure enough. He's the best lynch for reasons I already explained. | ||
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On July 03 2013 20:52 marvellosity wrote: Yep, that's what I am saying. Obviously, who is most suspicious is up to everyone and maybe I'm not the second most susupicious person according to everyone but you get what I am saying.You're basically saying here that we shouldn't lynch into the 2 most suspicious people (? your words) and wait until tomorrow. I don't really buy that line of thinking. If we're running on the assumption that you're both town, then even with one KP (never mind 2) they could just kill you and 'roleblock' WoS, and we're no further forwards in actually learning anything about him. Like, who else are they going to use their roleblock on? There's no roles left to roleblock. Well, sure it will not help your read on WoS but if they kill me that's clearly a suboptimal shot, don't you think? I'm nowhere the strongest player left in the game. And at that point you'll have even more evidence to decide what WoS alignment really is. | ||
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On July 03 2013 21:20 Vivax wrote: Well, Oats and stutters I haven't really looked much into yet. It's more that their claim doesn't really prove them to be town in any shape or form IMO. Solstice has been very lurky and didn't care for shit about the lynch D1 makes me suspicious of him. My initial impression from stutters was that he didn't really have any thoughts of his own but just sheeped whatever was going on at the moment but actually, reading through again, stutters is probably not scum if WoS is because WoS has been up his ass literally all game. And WoS is more likely scum than him I'd say.Lazer, can you tell me what you find scummy about those people outside or fuba or point me to previous arguments you still find strong? | ||
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On July 03 2013 21:36 Vivax wrote: His reads are quite bad I'd say and he didn't really care at all about the D1 lynch for shit, thogh I guess you could argue he was busy with this Canada day shizzle. It's mostly based on the fact that the claim timing is really wierd (wierd=scummy for the record). And I don't think there are 4 blue roles in this game. The above was @ marv What makes you think that WoS is scum? | ||
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On July 03 2013 22:30 Vivax wrote: So where is the part where I am scum? I don't get this. Well, I remember exactly how you skipped on my arguments to push for Vayne together with marv @ deadline: | ||
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On July 03 2013 22:46 Vivax wrote: Are you really this immune to logic? first the milller thing and now this. The only resonable alternative to WoS being scum is that scum RNGed their RB on him, right? I shouldn't have to explain this to you like you are 3 years old, because you are not...It's totally not suspicious that WoS claims a roleblock when you would expect the cop to get roleblocked. This post formally screams for my theory to be correct: WoS has to claim a roleblock for his claim to be swallowed, and Lazer has to help him and says the roleblock doesn't help WoS in any way (why not?) , after saying it's not indicative of anything and that WoS claim changes a lot of stuff (how?). He even assumes scum RNGd the roleblock (why?), not for a moment does he suspect that WoS could be scum, or that he has been roleblocked by a survivor and that scum has no roleblocker. I'll tell you why, cause he knows WoS didn't get roleblocked, and scum has no roleblocker, and if WoS didn't have to claim vigi, Lazer could have claimed the roleblock. It's just convenient that Lazer comes into the thread after WoS has already posted his shit. | ||
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On July 03 2013 22:49 Vivax wrote: Applying your own logic now, you are confirmed scum because that is the only way you would know that fuba really is the survivor. You see how stupid you are now?Marv and Lazer aren't legit at all. If we lynch someone today who isn't marv, it's gonna be WoS. I'm sure as hell not skipping on reducing scum KP today, lynching the survivor doesn't help town in any way. I'm not even sure if town loses if the survivor wins lol. He wins with the winning fraction and could have possible uses as medic, that would be an interesting question to be resolved. | ||
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On July 03 2013 22:51 Vivax wrote: Wat.And you dismiss that WoS claims the roleblock to protect his claim cause? | ||
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On July 03 2013 22:54 Vivax wrote: Its really easy explaining the scum KP, let me show you!Oats seriously. I'll hate you forever if you screw this up. And Rayn will hate you even more. Use some fucking logic man, Marv, a strong town player, is alive after claiming miller, and Lazer, the cop, gets neither roleblocked nor killed. The two guys pushing them, me and Rayn, get shot. What do you think was scum thinking when they chose their targets? Renounce on killing two claim-confirmed "townies" to kill two other plyers who are supposedly on the wrong track? We don't lynch outside of WoS/marv/Lazer today, I hope we can agree on this. Marv was under suspicion, hence not a good target I was too, hence not a good target. Rayn was being called town by evreyone basically, hence shot You are either scum holding KP or town, but you were under far less suspicion than me and marv so if you are town the shot makes snese anyway. See? It isn't that hard! | ||
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On July 03 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Yep, I can't do anything with my check D1 anyway. marv didnt get shot cause marv wasnt playing. lazer has suspicious claim. Although a RB that would dely the check seems to be better than a random RB. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote: RB D1 is kinda useless, because they can just RB/kill any other day instead.well, for me, I think a RB that is useful is better than a random RB on a dude that is probably useless. but W/E, its really irrelevant I'd say. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote: But I don't really see how this alignment indiactive though. Why wouldn't he want to claim a good shot as scum if he is gonna get "RBed" anyway? Just seems like a bad play, no?it's a fucking theoretical scenario, good god. If we work under the assumption he's town, then we also have to work under the assumption that he took a super-terrible shot. How is this complicated Oats????? | ||
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Just thought of something, why does survivor-fuba claim so late? Wouldn't it make much more sense to claim right away? Scum claiming survivor would be afraid to claim though, because the real survivor could abuse that and out that scum player. The survivor should be much less scared of claiming, you are never going to get shot really. And sure, you might get scared,of town wanting to lynch you, but if we decided to mass claim then you are forced to claim no matter what. And claiming anything but survivor as survivor is as stupid as it gets. Yhea, we really should lynch fuba I guess ^^ | ||
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[B]On July 04 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote:[/B Cba to check right now but wasn't he when we started to claim?fuba couldnt be in thread. | ||
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Like, no matter who the survivor is, I'd say he played very very wierd. And not in a good way. But that's something that I'll save for post game. Out of the two stories, I'd say I'm sliiightly more inclined to kill WoS atm... But I'm really fucking puzzled as it is. The way I see it is that both claims are ridiculously late for being survivor claims. Survivors shouldn't be afraid of claiming... If scum can chose between killing town or survivor, who are they going to shoot? Like I get you are afraid but seriously, they aren't going to kill you unless they get the most massive brain cancer. And town should just treat it as null and decide if tehy want to lynch you based on your play, which they would anyway... Fuba's claim can be explained by somewhat bad play and the fact that he was absent for a long time. I can kinda buy that. WoS claim decides to claim vigi instead because he was afraid of scum finding out who he is? But he then explains that if scum got fake claims, they basically know who he is anyway. I don't get why vigi would be a safer claim than survivor, could anyone explain the logic behind this? Actually screw most of what I said. Just thought of this. WoS claims to have gone through ALL of this mess to try avoid scum knowing he is actually the vigilante. But this is BS. He claims vigi that is RBed so the only way scum would not know him being survivor is if the just RNGed their RB onto him. Now this in it self is really fucking unlikely but it does happend. However, if scum actually think that he is vigi, then he is in serious risk of getting killed at night. And survivors want to survive, remember? So the only fucking realistic way that scum would belive that he is vigi is if the survivor randomly RBs him. But then fuba claims he is survivor, he says that he RB anyone. Why would you ever want to go through anything like this as survivor? Well, you wouldn't... Its just too much of a stretch. Fuba's play can be explained by bad play. But WoS is clearly lying here. WoS is the correct person to lynch... | ||
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On July 05 2013 02:22 s0Lstice wrote: But look at what WoS is posting. Just defending his own play and why we should lynch fuba no comments on anything else in case he dies. I don't think this is alignment indicative at all.For someone who is supposedly fighting against the righteous indignation of being CC'd to avoid a lynch, Fuba is being quiet. I'm one to talk I know...but it makes me feel better about my choice. | ||
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On July 05 2013 02:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Oats, let me here you thoughts on this issue. I have an insanly hard time explaining these actions from WoS to be frank.scum going all in if fuba flips red. | ||
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On July 05 2013 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Explain this. I think my reasoning is very good.None of you thinking that WoS is scum is differentiating his play from a survivor play. | ||
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On July 05 2013 02:50 s0Lstice wrote: I agree, I probably would have done the same. But it isn't indicative of him being the actual survivor. If fuba is scum he has so much to fight for because the game becomes much much easier if he is lynch after WoS. He is doing that because today is about the two of them, and them only. He is not commenting on anything else because he is an outed survivor, and needs to strike a balance between the two teams in the game. Doing nothing for either is balance. There is no problem there as I see it. | ||
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On July 05 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote: No survivor in this setup would ever claim vigi THAT GOT ROLEBLOCKED when his ambition was TO AVOID SCUM KNOWING WHO TEH SURVIVOR IS. How can you not see this? He is so fucking obviously lying. And why would he lie here? it doesn't make any goddamn sense...Lazer, your reasoning is that WoS is scum because no survivor would claim Vigi? | ||
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On July 05 2013 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Ah, well I guess I missread a bit. So you are saying that you claimed vigi because you wanted to put fuba in a position where he was forced to claim miller, is that right?Like, if you think I should have just claimed survivor in the first place instead of bothering with vig, I already explained that, read my filter. | ||
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On July 05 2013 03:05 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't belive once in a million years that this is true. No way in hell did you just not think of the possibilty of him fake-claiming survivor. Like, the only thing you have to do is survive. Yet you are on the verge of failing that because you didn't think insanely simple stuff liek this through.Well I assumed that's what he was given, but his claim blindsided me completely. If this is true and you indeed are the survivor, you still deserve to get lynched. You are basically playing against your win con by doing shit like this... | ||
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On July 05 2013 03:04 WaveofShadow wrote: How does a survivor claim not appease town? its a fucking null tell...It makes perfect sense. I had to claim something to appease town. I claimed roleblocked vigi so scum might think I was roleblocked by a survivor who wasn't me. It was a long shot but I had to take it. Hence the 'I'm fucked' argument. At this point people are just coming out of the woodwork with their own batshit theories trying to pin whatever they can to me to see if it sticks. I'm done. If people want me to die, so be it. If people want fuba dead, so be that. | ||
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On July 05 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote: So by being stupid, putting yuorself in a fucking super wierd scummy position and then having me calling you out for this, I am flailing? Cool bro! Yeah, no. No I'm not. Now you're just flailing 'cause I proved you wrong and you don't feel like unvoting me. But that's ok buddy, I forgive you. | ||
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On July 05 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote: You are not doing a very good job of trying to "contribute". I'd also like to note, for future reference, are the people voting against me assuming that fuba is actually the survivor? Have they mentioned this out loud in the thread? This information will become pertinent I believe after the flip. | ||
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On July 05 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not here to convince you because you are scum, I'm just showing everyone else why that is the case. Lol here's another fun fact: I've been pretty much winning the vote war (ie I'm not getting lynched) since this shitstorm happened. So why exactly do I even need to be here answering questions for you guys when fuba has posted 3 things and fucked off all day? | ||
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On July 05 2013 04:25 s0Lstice wrote: I agree that fuba looked worse up untill this point. it's in my filter. actions surrounding the day 1 lynch look pretty scummy. he was there and doing stuff, but not townie stuff. it really sums up to what I said earlier. my read on WoS has steadily been 'he exists' and my read on fuba is scum. this makes sense with how I think this CC business went down. the discussions afterwards pass the feel check. WoS is all yolo and fuba is not. I also think Marv has a point with the dick-move stuff. I think this is the right lynch. But What about the stuff I am saying? Do you not think its really fucking wierdo that he would claim vigi because he wanted to out fuba as scum? The discussion is really irrelevant I'd say. WoS is just repeating the same BS arguments over. | ||
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On July 05 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote: fuba didn't show up all game. His action during this lynch shouldn't be very telling I'd say. He was insanely close to get lynched D1, remember? And just like now, he chose to do nothing about that. His absense is really a null tell. Not got time to read the thread. Between dick-move analysis and fuba not even bothering to show up, the choice should be pretty obvious. | ||
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On July 05 2013 05:20 s0Lstice wrote: We are not talking small blunders, we are talking major fucking fuck ups dude. And then covering these major fuck ups with yet bigger lies. Sorry, had to drive home. I think most of the problems you are having right now come from the fact that you assume that WoS meticulously thought through every possibility with his claim. You are taking this as a given...that WoS would play through the scenario mistake free. Or you are scum  | ||
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On July 05 2013 05:31 marvellosity wrote: a) I'm not going to base a lynch around dick-move analysis.a) don't ignore dick-move analysis b) fuba was around for the lynch for 1.5hours before the lynch, also casting a vote to save himself. don't do this. b) He was around, check. He voted to save himself, check (like this day). He didn't do shit to try to convince anyone the other guy was scum, check (like this day). So the only thing that differs was that he wasn't actually afk D1. But he's been afk ALOT this game and arguing wheather or not he is lying about that is WIFOM. | ||
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On July 05 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote: Lol. D1 you do not want to lynch fuba even though he plays insanely similar to this. So your only legit argument is the dick-analysis. You are a funny person.i have no idea what you're babbling about so i'm going to just disregard everything you say | ||
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On July 05 2013 05:46 marvellosity wrote: Yhea, but both survivor and mafia wants to survive this lynch very bad so your argument is invalid...Put it this way Lazer, mafia can afford to lose a member, survivor can't | ||
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On July 05 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote: Well, I sincerely hope that I'm wrong regarding this lynch because hitting scum would make life so much better. But I really don't think I'm wrong on this one.survivor loses the game if he gets lynched, mafia doesn't. | ||
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On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote: This seems like a really good idea actually! But don't RB me.Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier. WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch. Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day | ||
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On July 05 2013 07:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you serious?See here's the thing. I feel like I should somehow be giving scum a sporting chance since they just took such a hit. (Even though it was entirely their own fault.) But my problem is I don't know how scum wants me to help them! So I guess I can't really do anything unless they let me know what to do somehow. You know for a guy who was ranting and raving about how I was scum Vivax, I'm surprised you'd be willing to trust me even if I DID guarantee you something. | ||
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On July 05 2013 19:02 marvellosity wrote: Actually no, I don't. I just now saw that s0lstice parked his vote on fuba for terrible reasons D1. Doesn't seem right. If he is going to vote someone for terrible reasons, why not vote a townie? S0lstice probably town I'd say.That's not an opinion. Why is he scum? | ||
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On July 05 2013 19:08 marvellosity wrote: Huh, so he voted AFTER the first deadline (the deadline that wasn't actually a deadline). And then nothing. Its sooo wierd. Because if he was scum he would have had to foreseen the Vayne switch. Yhea, probably town still although not as certain.This only holds true if fuba was at significant risk of being lynched when s0lstice made his vote. Which I've not checked yet either. | ||
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On July 05 2013 19:09 marvellosity wrote: Then what is your take on his vote on fuba? And his unwillingness to sway the lynch onto anyone else?Well, I've mentioned him this phase already, I trust if you're reading the thread thoroughly you'd have come across it. | ||
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On July 05 2013 23:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Just tell us during the last hour of the night who you saved. But really you are just being stupid now. Just save someone you think is town. Not me ofc but then again I'm not sure you even think that I am town. Well you'll see what my decision was in a few hours anyway, won't you? lol I could lie about my protecting someone as well since people don't get notified by RB and it would be the exact same thing as if I 'missed' the NK target. I could agree to protect someone and you guys could just say that I lied anyway if you wanted to lynch me. Don't act like I have some sort of guarantee from town either. | ||
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On July 06 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote: I really hope you get shot tonight. It would make this game so much easier for everyone!Don't worry about marv guys, the supertownie confirmed miller will stay alive, magically. Maybe look at his scumgames in his profile. Just to get an idea of how often he gets caught. | ||
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On July 06 2013 03:31 Vivax wrote: Well you are worthless in the sense that you are wrong about me. Though I wouldn't say you are worthless. You are very likely town at this point, probably the most likely of everyone left in the game. You also cliamed that you took a hit. Therefore you are actually very likely getting shot I'd say. More than Marv I'd say. I agree. I'm totally useless and totally not worth a shot. But really, it would be nice if we could get rid of this crazy confirmation bias of yours. | ||
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On July 06 2013 04:20 Vivax wrote: You don't need to roleblock me N1 though, it is totaly unnecesary and gives town more info on what roles scum have. I just need to see what happens tonight. You should actually claim and discuss your check target. Unless you can argue that there is a scum roleblocker. But there isn't and hence cop + miller + survivor become unlikely without scum able to do anything.. Else explain why u haven't been roleblocked N1 after claiming. You and marv wouldn't be able to survive in a better town. But yhea, I'm kinda torn on who to check really. First I thought about s0lstice but his vote pattern doesn't seem like scum I'd say. I'm thinking about JJD or stutters atm. Thoughts? You think I should go for someone else? Like you say yourself, I really need to get a red check, not only because its fucking good but also because I'll more or less be able to confirm myself that way. | ||
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On July 06 2013 04:23 Vivax wrote: Where did I say WoS is scum...? Like, recently I mean.If you don't claim your check target tonight you'll simply greencheck some random dude, or maybe your own teammate, or maybe WoS. Actually it makes sense for you to keep saying WoS is scum so you already have the semi-confirmed survivor to claim your fake check on. | ||
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On July 06 2013 04:45 marvellosity wrote: Yhea, I checked you and got result from iGrok that said I got a scent. Don't think I can post that but it was pretty clear that I wasn't RBed I'd say.Lazer, did you actually get a result or anything back day 1? How does it work? | ||
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On July 06 2013 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Just go away.Oh I see. So because cop didn't get RBed there must be no RB. NOW I UNDERSTAND | ||
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On June 25 2013 05:54 iGrok wrote: + Show Spoiler [How do roles work?] + Veteran can survive one KP. Survivor wins with any faction as long as they are alive. Jailkeeper both roleblocks and protects his target. Parity Cop checks someone N1, and then returns "Same" or "Not Same" on later nights. Roleblocker roleblocks his target. Vengeful Townie gains a One-Shot Vigi ability upon death. Millers return German to Cop Checks. Scum KP is factional. #/2 rounded up. | ||
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On July 01 2013 22:16 Stutters695 wrote: And this is 9 hours before lynch. I could totally see scum doing shit like this in order to distance themselves from each other.Well I guess people aren't into Fuba as much as I am and I'm not getting mislynched because we're not consolidating, back to JJD I guess and I'll look into Fuba tomorrow. | ||
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On July 06 2013 06:38 marvellosity wrote: I'm not ignoring things, I'm disagreeing with them. But again, gumshoe and I are agreeing that their interaction doesn't look like scum on scum interaction. Lazer, why you ignore important things all the time? :< | ||
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On July 06 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote: Already done. Agree. It's not. Comparatively Stutters is Jar Jars number one town read for 90 percent of the game. Why XD? Stutters does not recicporcate. In fact Stutters is not scum period. Him condemning a confirmed scum player over a suspicious player? Yeah, not scum. All game long hes been suspicious of Fuba and JJd. Why is JJD so forgiving and unmentioning of him when he pretty much made me his number on target for attacking him? Stutters kept up his case long after I quit as well / : JJD is sheeping Stutters cause he knows hes a likely to be lynched townie. He was just waiting for the flip to say I told you so. On July 06 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote: Note the bolded part, I disagree with this in case it was unclear. No, you didn't even mention it as a point, you mentioned something of a similar vein. So you think it looks like scum on scum action? Really? No I don't, did I say that? I don't really treat their conversation either way. | ||
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On July 06 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote: Leaning town. What townies are you feeling most comfortable with me sheeping? Because my reads HAS been off this game (except for my fuba read D1 I guess) but I'm having a hard time finding someone that I actually think makes sense.Well, you should make a stance on what you feel is more likely. And if I die, you need to listen to other townies. I'm assuming you're town for now, but you made some wtf arguments during the last lynch that hurt my eyes. Vivax is crazy you know... | ||
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On July 06 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote: Indeed.no idea why WoS repeatedly says he's a good scumkill when he's the worst kill in the game. Extremely weird. | ||
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Good luck town! | ||
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What do you guys think of my play? I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well. WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup.. 1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched. 2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched. If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter- | ||
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On July 09 2013 23:15 Stutters695 wrote: Well, I almost can get this if you are in a really really tough situation as scum because a survivor is essentially aligned with the team that is doing best at the moment. But at point where it is somewhat equal or if scum is ahead (all this game, for example) I'd say its madness to be aiming on the survivor.I think he played pretty well because as soon as he saves someone he's pro town in my eyes and I have to shoot him. Sure we waste 1kp, but after a save he's demonstrated that he's pro town and I'd rather take the chance on being absolutely sure and not risk getting stopped again and wasting a second anyway. As you saw he was completely safe claiming d2. The only reason he almost got lynched was town indecisiveness about who was scum and the numbers not working in his favor on the second to last day. That probably would be the same scenario if he was pro-town all game too though as it was the best play available for town if they weren't sure between JJD/S0l. His d2 claim was also really good. We instantly knew he was 3p when he claimed RB and left us with the ability to corroborate his story but we fucked it up. | ||
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On July 10 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote: But then you would really need to know said persons play if you are ever going to pull an argument like that off, otherwise it feels like it would be WIFOM really. Over half of the players that was on me for "not thinking the correct way" was players I had never played with before...It's not a 'trap', because it's a legitimate way to find mafia. You just have to qualify it with "would *this person* think like this". Pretty decent example was you claiming a shot on me. My assessment was that WoS wouldn't do that as town, and that was correct. | ||
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On July 10 2013 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote: Your reads were quite good actually but having good reads is just half the game, you have to convince other that your reads are correct as well. And you don't do that by going AFK 2 hours before lynch without saying anything about why you are going AFK or when you are comming back. I'm sorry, but I think you know quite well why you got lynched.I don't see any fun in being grush. if the massclaim thing happened I would just CC a role and be done with it, I could care less about losing to abusing a game mechanic. I only care if people legitimately find me as scum through scumhunting, then I need to improve my play. also my last post before I died.. WHY DID I HAVE TO GET LYNCHED | ||
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On July 10 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote: If you need to shit for two hours, 2 hours before lynch, then yes you probably should tell us.I left the thread being in absolutely zero danger of being lynched to go get groceries, should I tell you guys when im taking a shit too? the fact that you guys decided I was scum in about 1 hour when you have 48 should tell you why town lost this game And don't pretend that you going away was the only reason you got lynched, because that isn't true and you know it... | ||
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