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On July 02 2013 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hi guys. How much do you think random townie name claims are worth? Was running through my head around a bit last night, and I'm basically kinda assuming scum got at least some fakeclaims.
I already played it through.
If we remove 1 miller and 1 blue role, it leaves 1 name that scum can use to fakeclaim.
Since host seems to be ok with such a strategy I'm all for a mass claim after this night.
Given that the presumed cop already claimed at worst we out the vigi, the vet and the vengeful townie, but prolly snatch two scum, unless your miller claim is fake and Lazer's too and there is no cop, then the scenario will change in some way.
Worst thing that can happen after a mass claim is that scum will avoid shooting the vet.
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On July 02 2013 19:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
there are only 12 roles that scum could viably claim.
There are 9 townies.
So 3 extra roles including other miller.
I know.
That's why I took out 1 miller and 1 blue role (cause I don't think all blue roles are in the game)
Leaves you 1 name
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On July 02 2013 19:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
well I assume if scum is gonna claim blue and possibly get 1-2 townies for himself. I think its a decent chance.
If vigi shoots tonigt, scum can hardly fakeclaim that.
If they claim vengeful townie and all other roles have claimed as well, then there'd be kinda too many roles, meaning one of the blues is lying.
Lazer will have to prove he's cop by his play. Mind you though, if he's scum and scum has Hitler, then they can roleblock + kill a townie and Lazer can claim a roleblock, that's why Lazer can not be trusted anyway, his cop claim makes him useless at the same time.
I actually feel like I should have gone on and lynch him cause his claim is worth jack either way, town or scum, his claim won't tell us anything about that.
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I actually feel the timing of his claim makes him more suspicious, if anything.
Claiming 4 minutes before the presumed deadline might be indicative of him being afraid of getting ccd if he did that earlier.
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On July 02 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
It's not 100% clear from the OP that *only* the names listed are in the game maybe? I assume you guys have names from the OP?
I'm 99 % sure only the names listed are in the game.
It says "these roles will be in the game".
Why would the host give someone a name other than ones listed there?
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I've been repeatedly called out for my absence. I just finished travelling ~ 800 km from Rome to Austria kkthx. I thinkI announced it I would be back for the evening iirc.
Now let me catch up, I'm at p53
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Ok first of all:
Rayn, calm down. I've done the same mistakes as you in putting such importance into such events. It happens, but lay back for a moment and think you could be wrong (about the reason, not the read).
I remember you saying that there can be miller but no cop cause it fucks with town. I didn't look up to find the quote but I remember seeing it somewhere earlier, and I think it was you.
As I would guess, you were extremely suspicious of Lazer and immediately thought marv was his scumbuddy cause lack of suspicion and cause he worked against his lynch yesterday.
That's fine, those are fine reasons, but pushing the issue that marv has to be scum cause miller means there has to be a cop necessarily is not true. It makes the whole situation look stupid and isn't good for your cause.
Deadline is probably too close, but a neatly summarized case with all points you have in mind would help. If you die and I survive I will do you the favour to bring all your points under one roof and put my own insight as addendum into it, Lazer is my suspect as well and I feel like taking a close look at marv as well.
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On July 03 2013 06:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, afaik the OP did not state scum have 2 KP until the game was paused. This seems like a real wierd thing to know.
Well he's right actually, the spoiler with the roles descriptions was added afterwards.
Did you see anyone knowing of scum KP before that got changed?
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Seriously calm down dude. Your transforming into an OATS
Marv, iirc Lazer wasn't a suspect of yours before his cop claim, now you say you have doubts cause of the timing of his claim but you think he's more likely to be town.
That's indeed kinda weird. If you didn't think he was scum in the first place and the claim seems legit, what makes you say that the claim stirs doubts in you?
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EBWOP: What makes you say that the claim timing sitrs doubts in you
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Although as the deadline was actually extended, it does make it that much more likely that he's cop
This isn't really relevant as it's relevant what Lazer believed the deadline to be at.
Do you have evidence to back that Lazer knew deadline was actually one hour later? Else this statement looks pretty biased coming from you.
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On July 03 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 07:04 Vivax wrote:Although as the deadline was actually extended, it does make it that much more likely that he's cop This isn't really relevant as it's relevant what Lazer believed the deadline to be at. Do you have evidence to back that Lazer knew deadline was actually one hour later? Else this statement looks pretty biased coming from you. No, the point is that if a real cop existed, and the deadline WAS 4 minutes away, he was either not looking at the thread during that moment, or if he was around thought it was too risky to counterclaim and maybe not even get Lazer lynched. The fact that there was another hour of time gave a lot more time for any potential counterclaim to happen and get Lazer lynched, but this didn't happen.
It's still irrelevant to mention the hour of time then, as this can be reduced to the argument that lazer is supposed to be legit cop cause uncounterclaimed, which is unrelated to the timing of the counterclaim imo.
So the best course in your opinion is to swallow the claim unquestioned and not judge lazer by his play?
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On July 03 2013 07:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 07:11 Vivax wrote:On July 03 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:On July 03 2013 07:04 Vivax wrote:Although as the deadline was actually extended, it does make it that much more likely that he's cop This isn't really relevant as it's relevant what Lazer believed the deadline to be at. Do you have evidence to back that Lazer knew deadline was actually one hour later? Else this statement looks pretty biased coming from you. No, the point is that if a real cop existed, and the deadline WAS 4 minutes away, he was either not looking at the thread during that moment, or if he was around thought it was too risky to counterclaim and maybe not even get Lazer lynched. The fact that there was another hour of time gave a lot more time for any potential counterclaim to happen and get Lazer lynched, but this didn't happen. It's still irrelevant to mention the hour of time then, as this can be reduced to the argument that lazer is supposed to be legit cop cause uncounterclaimed, which is unrelated to the timing of the counterclaim imo. So the best course in your opinion is to swallow the claim unquestioned and not judge lazer by his play? I've just explained why, all you have to do is read it and understand. When did I ever say that was the best course of action? Don't put words in my mouth.
There's no need to get defensive.
It's simply that I have the impression you're trying to sell his claim as legit.
Why would you do that if you would have wanted him to be scrutinized.
As for reading and understanding, I don't see on what I missed. I don't understand how your argument applies to deadline time. What does it matter if Lazer gets counterclaimed within one hour or later?
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Well yeah like I said, your argument is that there is no one counterclaiming Lazer yet, or within the hour after his claim.
On July 02 2013 05:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you marv think about Lazer having Vayne as a scumread for all the game and not pushing him at any point until 30min before the lynch? That does not raise red flags at all? haven't got time to work all that out, i'm just looking at Vayne's filter and it's pathetic. Lazer's filter looks like he's trying.
I'd like to talk more about your reasons. I mean, you read through the whole game as far as I saw, but you didn't work all that out, yet Rayne presented you with the reasons for having Lazer as scumread, and you skip over the reasons and judge two filters by the amount of trying.
I realize this is accusatory, but I don't see how someone points you to something being scummy and you say you didn't have time to work it out, but one guy posts more than the other and hence is less scummy.
Even afterwards you had plenty of time to comment on the Lazer stuff.
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I endorse a shot on marv or Lazer as well.
Hardly seen town marv give a townread based on tryharding and skip on everything else presented. It was fucking deadline man, you don't skip on reading a guy and brush him off cause he's tryharding. That reflects lack of caring.
Lazer/Marv interactions have bad taste to them, too.
Also cause it's funny when marv gets mad.
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On July 03 2013 07:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 07:46 Vivax wrote:
I endorse a shot on marv or Lazer as well.
Hardly seen town marv give a townread based on tryharding and skip on everything else presented. It was fucking deadline man, you don't skip on reading a guy and brush him off cause he's tryharding. That reflects lack of caring.
Lazer/Marv interactions have bad taste to them, too.
Also cause it's funny when marv gets mad. No, it reflects using my time wisely. Also it's funny cause you're a dick and also possibly scum. The list lengthens 
Wtf dude.
You were still in time to talk about Lazer.
We are talking about Lazer all the fucking time.
You defend his claim.
You say we put words in your mouth when we say you think he's town.
You don't think "Oh well these guys might actually be right I'll go read him and give my opinion on him".
You become all pissy and defensive, and still show zero doubt about and information gathering on lazer, which is scummy regardless of his alignment.
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Like, all you're doing is like from a viewpoint where you're sure that you're right about what you say.
But you don't even have a definite opinion on Lazer you could be right about.
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By the way "scummy regardless of alignment" might be the stupidest thing I've ever read.
Whether you defend a scumbuddy or a townie, doing so without the proper reasons or a townie decision making process behind it is always scummy.
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I'm Aldo Raine. I got shot.
Not this time scum 
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AHHH I NEED TO BE MORE STYLISH:
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