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On July 03 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:26 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2013 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2013 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore... What's wrong with my thought process? Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour? I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct? Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see. I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so. This is what i see. - marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into - i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos - he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense" - you come in with a last minute case on vayne - marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead? First off. There was no case. I said he was scummy because of stuff. Secondly, at least I thought that we had one extra hour (which we did get in the end...) so marvs comment wasn't really that last minute. Thirdly, marv couldn't possibly just think Vayne was more scummy? If fuba ends up flipping red I agree that marv looks really bad for this, but untill then I don't read too much into this. The main point is that marv asks who should he read. When i tell who to read (and Vayne gave pretty much same suspects), marv does not read those suspects, instead he votes with one of the suspects!! How the fuck does that make sense if you have not caught up with the thread? Yhea but Marv claimed that he didn't think I was scum and then I still think it makes alot of sense. He could obviously be faking at as scum but it comes down to WIFOM at that point. Yeah this seems like an convincing argument: And that was AFTER he voted for vayne. So there is no way town marv could belive that I am trying? Or what is your point here?
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On July 03 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS why are you not trying to ask Lazer anything at all?
Lazer vice versa. Rayn is a retard...
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EBWOP, wops that should actually go to this post instead ^^
On July 03 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
I notice fuba hasn't responded to my question.
Lazer would you like to comment on the conversation currently happening between Rayn and I?
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On July 03 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your suggestion is that marv decided to look into vayne 30 min before the assumed deadline instead of looking into town's suspects because you did think he is scummy but didn't even make a case (which i btw confronted you at that time if you remember). Seems legit- No, Im suggesting marv looked into Vayne 90 minutes before the suggested deadline instead of town's suspects. Whether he did that because of my posts or not, I don't know. I don't get why me not having a case against Vayne at the point is relevant? Alot of people get lynched without having a case on them. Or how are you defining a cse?
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On July 03 2013 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Lazer, i don't know why you need to be so defencive about marv?
Talk with WoS instead, i am interested in seeing what you guys talk about. He asked you a question already. To be fair, I don't understand it either. Have a nice evening getting shot! Also, I don't care about WoS, we have 48 hours to talk later. kkthxbye...
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Hi everyone, didn't get RBed last night (checked marv) interestingly enough. First I thought it wasn't very indicative of anything, I don't have to get RBed/ killed untill N2. But WoS's claim changes alot of stuff.
First off, its really funky that scum would RNG their RB on WoS, sure stuff like that happends but its not really helping WoS in any way.
But what I really find interesting is, now that we "have" both a cop and a vigi with a shot AND are not at MYLO today, even if vigi hits townie, scum cannot prevent both of these at the same time with a single roleblock, which means scum will either have to shoot me (which is kinda good, given so many are suspicious of me now, Lol : D) or they'll have to let WoS take his shot and risk it hitting scum.
So really, not me nor WoS should get lynched today. We will be able to do stuff with night action if we are both town and if we are scum you can just kill us later.
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Fuba claiming survivor is really not saying anything atm. No jailing to back it up means he could just as well be lying. Should be treated as a null.
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Vivax most likely confirmed town. Sure, scum could've held their second shot but really, they gave up their chance winning on D2 doing so which seems very unlikely.
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Actually, I'm not really used to these 23+1 hours nights but shouldn't the proper vigi play to announce who you shot so that person can out his reads? A quite minor point though, because marv was already in the thread at that point IIRC but still.
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On July 03 2013 12:43 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 02 2013 05:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 02 2013 05:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Vayne looks bad. Sad that he is a lynch bait but I'm kinda OK with killing him. I don't understand at all his reasoning for voting me. First I'm scum then town, then I'm town, then I'm null, then scum again. And that's right when the wagon on me is about to start what is "lynchbait" to you? I have already stated that I have never been lynched while playing on TL...and yes I am jumping around on you a lot ill openly admit that. But I think the scummy qualities you are emitting override the town qualities you are emitting, I changed my opinion when vivax directed me toward the noir mafia game. Ow, missed that. Still WoS claimed that you had played a style that didn't "fit" TL and that the most townie you you played was when you was scum, guess I misinterpreted that. Lol, I bet you didn't even open noir mafia. If you read some of the end game comments you'll see what Vivax said isn't true at all. We won that because town was lazy fuck. I had like 6 pages filter and was considered active in a game that went to D3. I wasn't good at looking townie. And even if I was, this is still a stupid conclusion to draw. Yhea, this guy looks quite townie, but he can play townie as scum as well so I'll lynch him. OH actually this is interesting. I missed it He justifies the Vayne lynch going BOTH ways. As in he wants to lynch him for looking crazy scummy...oh but he would also lynch him for looking town because he looks the most town as scum. Read it again, my last paragraph was a response to Vayne who first said I was town then null and then out of a sudden scum for no other reason than that Vivax said I can play quite townie as scum. Which is a terrible argument I'd say. It is nothing about justifying the Vayne lynch both ways.
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I'm going to do some quick answering to Rayn's suspiciouns because he was one of the most vocal persons saying I was scum + he is confirmed town at this point. I hope I can give some satisfying answers for those still suspecting me.On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Lazer is mafia.
- His whole D1 besides a couple of his first comments, particularly his stance of Vayne and what he said about it on N1, rofl
This is the exchange that he is referencingOn July 03 2013 05:31 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: First off. There was no case. I said he was scummy because of stuff.
Secondly, at least I thought that we had one extra hour (which we did get in the end...) so marvs comment wasn't really that last minute.
Thirdly, marv couldn't possibly just think Vayne was more scummy?
If fuba ends up flipping red I agree that marv looks really bad for this, but untill then I don't read too much into this. WTF! YOU HAD BEEN CALLING HIM SCUM FOR ALL GAME! AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF "STUFF"???? scum. Are you dumb? how is this alignment indicative? I displayed several things in his play that would indicate scum play, however that does not make a case. On July 03 2013 05:36 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your suggestion is that marv decided to look into vayne 30 min before the assumed deadline instead of looking into town's suspects because you did think he is scummy but didn't even make a case (which i btw confronted you at that time if you remember). Seems legit- No, Im suggesting marv looked into Vayne 90 minutes before the suggested deadline instead of town's suspects. Whether he did that because of my posts or not, I don't know. I don't get why me not having a case against Vayne at the point is relevant? Alot of people get lynched without having a case on them. Or how are you defining a cse? So just because I didn't write an essay on how Vayne is scum means I don't have the right to chase him? That doesn't make any sense at all. I admitt to being somewhat lazy in attacking Vayne but on the other hand I explained quite clearly why that was. I felt the Vayne was playing was very similar to the bad town play you see in some players who are always up for lynch no matter what day or alignment they have. That was why I felt uneasy to vote him.
Also, I was very unsure of when the dead line was, something that You'll see quite clearly if you look at my filter. I then also missread what Igrok said here as that the dead line would be 5:30...On July 02 2013 05:50 iGrok wrote:
Hey guys, running a bit late from work, lynch will end at proper time, I'll tally the votes by 5:30. Please don't talk after voting has ended. Thanks! On July 02 2013 05:51 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so we have 10min, who do we lynch? Marv are you sure vayne is scum? 40* On July 02 2013 05:54 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OP says:
48/24 Time cycle, deadline 00:00 CAT (+02:00), which is 8min from now.. Yhea, but igrok just said... On July 02 2013 05:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
OW FUCK
On July 02 2013 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki - American Parity Cop (German/Not German)
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:- HC-defends marv for no reason (him being legit cop does not make marv town) First off, how does this even make me scum? The only way it would is if marv would actually be scum. But then why would I (bad) want to defend marv (one of the best) instead of letting him doing it himself?
AlsoOn July 03 2013 04:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
Am I the only one who find it insanely ironic that Rayn is getting shit stormed like mad D1 because he didn't react to the miller claim from "the PoV that town should have done", yet he is all over marv becuase he didn't react to the cop claim from "the PoV that miller should have"?
Seriously Rayn, pull your shit together... I rest my case...
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:- really shitty answers to me, for example straight out lying about him knowing the deadline was +1 hours I already explained the deadline issue. I don't know what other shitty answers he is refering to so I'm just going to ignore this issue.
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- completely disappearing when i try to set up a convo between him/WoS, as he had nothing more to argue. I said I was mad and demoralized, mostly at myself, for my actions during D1. That I didn't feel like playing all night. Also, this is yet another display of Ryan's insane confirmation bias towards me
Rayn: Say something to WoS
Me: Naw, fuck this game, I don't feel like saying anything to WoS.
Rayn: OMFG, U SCUM LAZOR?
Would it not be easier for me to just ask some random shit ass question to WoS instead of just going away? I'm not saying me going away is a town tell but treating it as a scum tell, especially when I said that I didn't want to play alot at that point, is beyond me.
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- pointing out "hilarious stuff", which i could not know as i assumed scum had 1 KP. OF COURSE THAT FUCKING CHANGES MY POINT OF VIEW! And this is just retarded.
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Okay, that wasn't very quick but w/e ^^. I'll go out for a run and then I'll try to decide who I want to kill today. I think that player is fuba though I am not yet certain. See you in a bit.
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On July 03 2013 19:54 Vivax wrote:I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though. What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them. Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ. fuba claimed survivor. gumshoe claimed blue. s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly. JJ was the first to claim his name. I am (totally not unbiased  ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches. Explain how fubas claim make him look more town...
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On July 03 2013 20:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +I believe fuba's claim. We'll have to lynch him at some point, but priority is to reduce scum KP today. Lazer, who will you lynch if you can't lynch fuba. Probably stutters if I had to chose someone right at this moment. I'm chosing him, gumshoe, s0lstice and prehaps Oats today. Everyone else, I think is town except for WoS who I'm thinking is likely scum but night actions should be able to give a clearer picture regarding his alignment, so I'd rather save him today.
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Are you guys experienced in fuba's play? because I'm having a hard time not wanting to lynch him right now actually...
He doesn't actually care about the lynch at all... He talks about why he is not scum, talks about about why Rayn is scum and then changes his mind regarding Rayn. He thinks stutters i scum. But none of these are relevant for the D1 lynch basically. It was a WoS/me/him and then also Vayne. Yet he basically says nothing about any of these 3. He gives a really simple explanation of why WoS is town when he is called out for it. Votes Vayne cuz...?
He comes in claims survivor and then what? Nothing. No scum hunting no nothing.
##Vote: mkfuba07
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On July 03 2013 20:02 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 19:54 Vivax wrote:I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though. What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them. Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ. fuba claimed survivor. gumshoe claimed blue. s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly. JJ was the first to claim his name. I am (totally not unbiased ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches. Explain how fubas claim make him look more town... Still this Vivax. You are also allowed to answer, marv!
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On July 03 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
Who cares I do. WoS is a bad lynch for today unless we are 101% sure he is scum. And we aren't.
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On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
As fun as it is exchanging insults with Marv, I think today should focus on Fuba(last to claim, who has to essentially claim survivor, miller or unknown, or he has to fight it out with a claimee) and the blues. As I've already mentioned Virax is blue or we dont know anything about this game XD WOS is uber suspicious Lazer is null, and his alignment might really depend on what Marv is(on the one hand he claimed first as blue, which is uber risky, and they're hasn't been a counter, but if they're is no miller and Marv is his buddy then it might have been a safe claim). I'm biased about Gumshoe.
Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv
Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba? As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like. ##Vote: WaveofShadow You don't seem to be even close to 101% sure that WoS is scum here. So why do you disagree?
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On July 03 2013 20:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 20:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:On July 03 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
As fun as it is exchanging insults with Marv, I think today should focus on Fuba(last to claim, who has to essentially claim survivor, miller or unknown, or he has to fight it out with a claimee) and the blues. As I've already mentioned Virax is blue or we dont know anything about this game XD WOS is uber suspicious Lazer is null, and his alignment might really depend on what Marv is(on the one hand he claimed first as blue, which is uber risky, and they're hasn't been a counter, but if they're is no miller and Marv is his buddy then it might have been a safe claim). I'm biased about Gumshoe.
Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv
Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba? As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like. ##Vote: WaveofShadow You don't seem to be even close to 101% sure that WoS is scum here. So why do you disagree? Sure enough. He's the best lynch for reasons I already explained. Even then, if we wait untill night, we will get much more info from it. If he is lying then scum will have to shoot suboptimally and if he is town, scum will then have to decide to either hold a shot or just accept the fact that he is 100% confirmed town once there is 3 shots. And they can't roleblock him, because then I'll get to check someone. And if they shoot both of us, then congratz, you've just lost both of your most suspicious townies right away!
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On July 03 2013 20:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 20:47 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 20:35 marvellosity wrote:On July 03 2013 20:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:On July 03 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
As fun as it is exchanging insults with Marv, I think today should focus on Fuba(last to claim, who has to essentially claim survivor, miller or unknown, or he has to fight it out with a claimee) and the blues. As I've already mentioned Virax is blue or we dont know anything about this game XD WOS is uber suspicious Lazer is null, and his alignment might really depend on what Marv is(on the one hand he claimed first as blue, which is uber risky, and they're hasn't been a counter, but if they're is no miller and Marv is his buddy then it might have been a safe claim). I'm biased about Gumshoe.
Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv
Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba? As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like. ##Vote: WaveofShadow You don't seem to be even close to 101% sure that WoS is scum here. So why do you disagree? Sure enough. He's the best lynch for reasons I already explained. Even then, if we wait untill night, we will get much more info from it. If he is lying then scum will have to shoot suboptimally and if he is town, scum will then have to decide to either hold a shot or just accept the fact that he is 100% confirmed town once there is 3 shots. And they can't roleblock him, because then I'll get to check someone. And if they shoot both of us, then congratz, you've just lost both of your most suspicious townies right away! You're basically saying here that we shouldn't lynch into the 2 most suspicious people (? your words) and wait until tomorrow. I don't really buy that line of thinking. If we're running on the assumption that you're both town, then even with one KP (never mind 2) they could just kill you and 'roleblock' WoS, and we're no further forwards in actually learning anything about him. Like, who else are they going to use their roleblock on? There's no roles left to roleblock. Yep, that's what I am saying. Obviously, who is most suspicious is up to everyone and maybe I'm not the second most susupicious person according to everyone but you get what I am saying.
Well, sure it will not help your read on WoS but if they kill me that's clearly a suboptimal shot, don't you think? I'm nowhere the strongest player left in the game. And at that point you'll have even more evidence to decide what WoS alignment really is.
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