Vivax I know you have it in for me and that's fine, but you have to find a way to listen to basic logic and reading the game if I'm in a game with you :/ I was obviously really townie after day 2, the fact you were pushing me after that was mindblowing.

You're not bad at all if you're thinking, but for whatever reason you just decided to stop thinking

marvellosity

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July 09 2013 15:14 GMT

#2641

By the way Jarjar (if you're reading this) I don't 'blame' you for your mislynch or anything.

I was really sure gumshoe and WoS weren't mafia, and that's what you were pushing. It was my bad for not distinguishing wrong and scum, and for being too afraid to push s0lstice.

marvellosity

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July 09 2013 15:18 GMT

#2643

Kind of annoying to be pushed by both rayn and Vivax as scum because I looked over your filter and didn't want to lynch you. That was kinda unfortunate.

marvellosity

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July 09 2013 15:21 GMT

#2646

I was really, really stoned all weekend. I hadn't appreciated how much that would impair my ability to read and do things.

marvellosity

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July 09 2013 15:23 GMT

#2649

On July 10 2013 00:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

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This is a very interesting point---I get suspected a lot I think in part because I don't think the way people expect me to think I guess? (It often works in my favour because I don't get lynched or NKed)
A lot of people however (including me at times) do their scumhunting by trying to think from a scum or town POV. How can you really avoid falling into the trap of thinking people are scum just because they don't act the way you expect them to?

It's not a 'trap', because it's a legitimate way to find mafia. You just have to qualify it with "would *this person* think like this".

Pretty decent example was you claiming a shot on me. My assessment was that WoS wouldn't do that as town, and that was correct.

marvellosity

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July 09 2013 15:26 GMT

#2650

On July 10 2013 00:21 s0Lstice wrote:

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Do you think I'd have been better off joining the jar jar wagon? I thought for sure if I did that town would get off jar jar as we would then pretty much all be agreeing on him.

No, because in these situations, town expects scum to be bussing a liability (which jarjar was if he was mafia).

On July 07 2013 16:14 s0Lstice wrote:
So here's where I'm at. I didn't have time to get to WoS tonight, but I re-read JJD and Stutters.

There's a few things about JJD that make me nervous about this lynch.

First, day 1 there is a Rayn lynch wagon. A JJD wagon forms counter to it, and here is what JJD says:

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Vivax and Oats are calling for Rayn's head, and at this point there is a possibility that Rayn is lynched. I think it would be odd for JJ to not go in here. More, he called Rayn scum earlier, so the groundwork was already laid for him to get on the Rayn wagon. Instead, he recognizes some pretty townie posting by Rayn, and backs off, despite it possibly meaning his own head.

There have been flashes of real clairvoyant and solid analysis like this:

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The scummiest looking thing about him imo is his actions around the day 1 lynch, and it's so on the nose scummy looking that I'm left getting townie vibes off it, as weird as that sounds. What kind of scum drops an explanationless (and I mean totally explanationless) vote on a counter wagon to a now confirmed scum? It's so suicidally stupid and careless; I think it's unlikely that a scum JJ does this.

Also he is currently not playing to his scum meta. You can refer back to that case I wrote on him, the games are in there. I wouldn't call him tunnely this game.

What do you guys think of this stuff?

This *should have* made it abundantly clear that you were not mafia with JarJar. Your mafia buddy is leading in votes and is going to get lynched... not a chance you semi-but-not-really defend him like this. Like zero chance. So both of you aren't mafia at this point. Along with your weird defence of Vayne, that really should have been enough to start solving the game on. My error/lack of confidence again.

marvellosity

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July 09 2013 15:28 GMT

#2652

On July 10 2013 00:27 Lazermonkey wrote:

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But then you would really need to know said persons play if you are ever going to pull an argument like that off, otherwise it feels like it would be WIFOM really. Over half of the players that was on me for "not thinking the correct way" was players I had never played with before...

Yes, that is an issue. People have different playstyles and think in different ways.

Then again, town and mafia obviously DO approach the game differently, and a decent part of working out a game is picking out these differences. It's just making sure they're town/scum differences and not just playstyle differences within a certain player.