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On June 30 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does me giving a townread to marv make me scum? Is it impossible for me to have this thought process i have already explained as town, and if so, why?
You didnt give marv a townread. You took him as flipped town.
Its impossible to have this thought process as town because town takes claims skeptically and doesnt instantly go, OK MARVS TOWN. YAY.
Also, miller is one of the best mafia claims in terms of the fact that you cant be dt checked to confirm your claim.
So since you are experienced, you wouldve known this and thought at least a bit how marv could be scum.
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because scum thinks 180s are bad.
Actually I think the 'you guys are right' is more likely to come from townie who doesnt give a shit about being right.
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If I was miller, I wouldnt claim till I had a strong read on marv.
someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first.
This is like the perfect post to show how much you thought marv was town. It appears like there is 0 doubt in your mind. NO DOUBT AT ALL THAT MARV IS TOWN. Even though the second claimer is probably statistically likely to be town.
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On June 30 2013 20:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats why would i insta-call marv town as scum? Why would i do so?
cause thats what your reaction was. Because in your mind, anyone who claimed miller was town.
Its not necessarily strategic.
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On June 30 2013 21:00 Vivax wrote:
Apologies, mistook that for another defense of marv's claim (Interpreted it as: Marv would have had a 50 % chance of getting counterclaimed and dying).
That doesn't change the fact that marv did the same thing as scum in another game, and as Oats pointed out, in all of this you keep assuming that marv is town. He did the same 17 minutes into the game in the other game.
Ok 2 things here.
1. Rayn is scum for instantly taking marv as modconfirmed town.
2. Marv is null for doing this as scum before.
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On June 30 2013 21:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 30 2013 21:00 Vivax wrote:
Apologies, mistook that for another defense of marv's claim (Interpreted it as: Marv would have had a 50 % chance of getting counterclaimed and dying).
That doesn't change the fact that marv did the same thing as scum in another game, and as Oats pointed out, in all of this you keep assuming that marv is town. He did the same 17 minutes into the game in the other game. Ok 2 things here. 1. Rayn is scum for instantly taking marv as modconfirmed town. 2. Marv is null for doing this as scum before. If Rayn is scum marv is likely town imo. This exudates so much confidence into marv being town that I don't see it coming from scum about scum.
well yeah Im just saying that Rayn isnt scum for not knowing about previous game where marv fakeclaimed miller and replaced out.
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What?
With that said though his reaction and thought process makes him the towniest motherfucker here. Especially after themed, I really doubt he'd be scum.
Explain this part further.
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Yeah Lazer took in the fakeclaim not as scum fake claiming, just saying that with 1 miller means marv is confirmed town and 2 millers means that marv isnt confirmed town.
kk.
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bleh I meant Lazers reasoning was based on 2 miller and not scum team.
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On June 30 2013 23:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Part of my reason I see him as town is how aggressive and out there he is compared to Themed. I hadn't thought about it with how Vivax explains it though, that's a really good point. I don't know though his case against me felt genuine. I'll reread.
I would like to hear his contradiction on WoS though.
Themed mafia?
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This seems the same as his newbie game for me tbh.
I dont think roulettte is an accurate representation as his scum game because he simply had no time to play there.
How about his play in I swear? He flipped scum too.
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Dont leave me hanging man stutters.
Im telling you, rayn a scummy boy.
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Nice rayn, totally brushing off what I said about you without addressing ANYTHING me or Vivax said.
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sleep is good for playing mafia rayn.
So is rolling town. try harder next time 
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On July 01 2013 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Again, what there is for me to gain as mafia to give marv an insta-town read?
I happen to know, and knew from the beginning, there would be people who disagree with me. What do i gain by doing so? Because it does not mean shit that i might look town in marv's eyes, there are many other people whose votes count just as much as his.
I have a strong town read on marv, i was hoping someone would be stupid enough to fakeclaim miller, and added some fuel into fire by saying "there are no 2 millers", because i know that's possible, but highly unlike. If scum had claimed miller i would have laughed and then we would go to the "claim your role name phase".
Fakeclaiming miller does mean unnecessary attention to yourself, in a situation where the attention is not needed. Marv has done it before, yes, and looking into that game it was a big mistake. Scum lost and it did not definitely help him/them. I think he has learned from that and would not do so again.
I'm not the right person to answer about marv's thought process but that's how i see the situation.
Marv has done it before, yes, and looking into that game it was a big mistake.
Are you kidding? It kept yamato alive long after he shouldve been lynched. It gave marv confirmed town status but he had to replace out and yamato kinda didnt take advantage of it. It was a good play.
Rayn. You dont necessarily need to gain something from a particular action. You knew that a miller claim would be from town because your mafia team didnt want to take the risk so when marv claimed miller you knew he was town and your actions reflected that of a scum reacting to a claim rather than town. Instantly believing it and not even thinking for 1 SINGLE moment that marv is scum. How about blue claims? Would you react the same way if I claimed doc now? "OATS CONFIRMED TOWN, IMMA SHEEP HIM"?
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Rayn got the wrong PM guys, it says hes fake mafia.
Hosts pls fix
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Actually Rayn, how often do people claim in games that you have been in? Have you seen a miller claim before?
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