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On July 05 2013 08:58 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote:
Seems reasonably likely to me scum got their fakeclaims at the start to be honest.
"But marv!" I hear you say. "You have no basis for saying that! Why scum and not survivor?"
Well I have first-hand experience as a host with mucking up giving claims slightly. Newbie XXX I think. In any case, I gave scum the VT role PM at the start, but forgot to give it to the blues until halfway through Day 1 (sound familiar? xD). Precedent for scum getting things in a timely manner and other people not :p Fine then, that still doesn't change Jar Jar's situation. Judge him based on his actions, not the claim, sadly I'm not gonna be the one to make the case. Scum will just scream confirmation bias and Wifom from the hills. I'll pick someone else(more than one scum after all) and present my findings before night ends. Though I doubt scum will waste role block and shot on me.
This is the silliest thing you've written so far this game, gumshoe. There's currently 2 scum and 7 not-scum, for starters. If you have a good case to make, then make it.
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Seems pretty damn likely it's how I described it earlier, given what fuba claimed.
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oh, unless you're going for the argument that WoS is scum and lying about that stuff, right?
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Can you not make the narrative from town-Jarjar as well? If not, what is it in particular that makes you think that isn't possible?
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On July 05 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I am sitting here with my jaw on the floor that you actually seem to think scum don't have fakeclaims.
How exactly do Lazer and marv get away with fakeclaiming if they weren't given fakeclaims? They just gambled on it and hoped that no one picked up the roles they guessed?
'Sudden idea' the mafia got fakeclaims? I can't understand why you're being intentionally dense other than to avoid mafia killing you tonight. Don't worry tho---it's me they're after.
Vivax gets like this whenever he's in a game with me. All reason goes flying out the window. It's nothing unexpected.
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On July 05 2013 13:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I am sitting here with my jaw on the floor that you actually seem to think scum don't have fakeclaims. I think the opposite. I think scum getting a list of all the roles not in the game would be broke beyond belief. I think that the threat of a mass claim is balanced by 2 KPs. I mean day 2 mylo and a list of all the roles seem a bit much no?
yeah I think you're on drugs.
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Why are you asking me? lol
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Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.
WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.
Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day
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If I don't die tonight what?
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I didn't even mean regardless, otherwise asking him to save a townie is dumb. I meant if he doesn't get a save off. If he does get a save off then it's not mylo anymore.
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On July 05 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait marv.
You strongly suggest that WoS is survivor. Is that right?
So you wanna lynch JJD?. Why?
Are you reading what I wrote? JJD wants to lynch WoS because he 'believes' WoS is scum.
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On July 05 2013 18:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Gentlemen, may I hear what your opinion on s0lstice is?
After you, sir.
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That's not an opinion. Why is he scum?
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Because he's wrong in all the wrong ways.
Do you have a townread on him or something?
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On July 05 2013 19:07 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 19:02 marvellosity wrote:
That's not an opinion. Why is he scum? Actually no, I don't. I just now saw that s0lstice parked his vote on fuba for terrible reasons D1. Doesn't seem right. If he is going to vote someone for terrible reasons, why not vote a townie? S0lstice probably town I'd say.
This only holds true if fuba was at significant risk of being lynched when s0lstice made his vote. Which I've not checked yet either.
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On July 05 2013 19:08 Lazermonkey wrote:
EBWOP: and over to you marv!
Well, I've mentioned him this phase already, I trust if you're reading the thread thoroughly you'd have come across it.
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On July 05 2013 19:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 19:09 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 19:08 Lazermonkey wrote:
EBWOP: and over to you marv! Well, I've mentioned him this phase already, I trust if you're reading the thread thoroughly you'd have come across it. Then what is your take on his vote on fuba? And his unwillingness to sway the lynch onto anyone else?
A lot of it depends on the timings and specifics of when he voted and how many votes fuba had at the time etc. I'm hoping to find time to make up some votecounts for both days later.
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Act 1: marv pops the question
On July 05 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say? Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense. The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move. 
JarJar agrees with me it would be a dick move.
Act 2: The disappearing act
On July 05 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say? Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense. The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move. Well, you'll have to reasonably explain to me that WoS as a person would indulge in lying about what the hosts told him if you want me to even entertain your argument about him being mafia. Can you do that?
JarJar runs away, because he can't make this argument to me, despite the fact my question came only one minute after his last response. He doesn't have an answer.
Act 3: The return, sheeping of a stray Lazer
On July 05 2013 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 05:31 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 05:27 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 05 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:
Not got time to read the thread.
Between dick-move analysis and fuba not even bothering to show up, the choice should be pretty obvious. fuba didn't show up all game. His action during this lynch shouldn't be very telling I'd say. He was insanely close to get lynched D1, remember? And just like now, he chose to do nothing about that. His absense is really a null tell. a) don't ignore dick-move analysis b) fuba was around for the lynch for 1.5hours before the lynch, also casting a vote to save himself. don't do this. a) I'm not going to base a lynch around dick-move analysis.-snip-
On July 05 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah I think using level of dickishness as a barometer is pretty dumb IMO.
Once someone else shows up saying dick-move analysis is dumb, Jarjar pops up to say he agrees with this.
This is despite earlier agreeing with me (see act 1) that it would be a dick move, and him totally ignoring my question in act 2, only to dismiss it and not answer it in act 3 when someone else threw dirt on the idea first. His ignoring and failure to answer the question in Act 2 is pretty damning to me.
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Some Day 1 votecounts for you guys.
Day 1:
On July 01 2013 04:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:
Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (2): Oatsmaster, Vivax
Not Voting (7): Stutters, VayneAuthority, gumshoe, marvellosity, mkfuba, solstice, JarJarDinks
Stutters currently set to be lynched. (tiebreakorz)
Deadline in ~25.5 hours
Voting thread 2013 always remember
On July 01 2013 12:20 marv wrote:
Votecount:
Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (0): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (2): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (3): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet
mkfuba07 (1): Stutters
gumshoe (1): JarJarDrinks
Stutters currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~17.5 hours
On July 02 2013 04:49 marv wrote:
Votecount:
Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (1): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (0): Stutters
gumshoe (1): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters
Stutters currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~2 hours
On July 02 2013 05:56 marv wrote:
Votecount:
Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (0): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (0): Stutters
gumshoe (0): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (4): VayneAuthority, Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Vivax
VayneAuthority (2): Lazermonkey, marvellosity
Lazermonkey currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~1 hour
On July 02 2013 06:06 marv wrote:
Votecount:
Stutters (1): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (0): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (4): Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, Vivax, s0lstice
gumshoe (0): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Vivax
VayneAuthority (2): Lazermonkey, marvellosity, mkfuba07
mkfuba currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in just under 1 hour
On July 02 2013 07:00 marv wrote:
FINAL Votecount:
Stutters (1): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (0): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (1): Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, Vivax, s0lstice
gumshoe (0): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Vivax
VayneAuthority (6): Lazermonkey, marvellosity, mkfuba07, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Lazermonkey, JarJarDrinks
VayneAuthority was lynched.
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None in particular yet, I want to do Day 2 first as well, just useful to have votecounts with flips added to the thread. Then can do some crossreferencing that I wanted to do.
I would say that Lazer looks quite decent for being on fuba 2nd, also s0lstice's vote there on fuba could easily have come from either scum or town imo. Especially given how he made the vote.
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